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Dramatic fat lost substance, has to be ?

Tryn2

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We all know that aas can dramatically enhance your muscle gaining efforts. But what I dont understand is why when someone wants to lose fat its all diet and cardio. Look I know those two are very important, and Im not looking for an easy way out but, I have a hard time believing there is not a chemical out there that can dramatically improve your ability to lose fat. There has to be. Now if I am overlooking something please put it down for me. But hey guys dont guess at what you have heard lost fat from some thred you have read, I want the real answers from those who know. Thanks....
 
HGH is rather on the advanced side isnt it ? Im not knockin you , you did answer the question. If others agree with this I would take it. I have just heard do not do slin or hgh until you have reached the upper level of the competition circuit which I am not. But I still want dramatic results. Let me know bros what you think.
 
There are tons of drugs that will cause radical fat loss, however they are dangerous as hell. Totally unlike AAS which even in high doses won't kill you or anything.
 
I was gonna take Clens well I wanted too. but everyone said I didnt need them .. and my ex said they would make me more crazy than I already am.. :rolleyes

Can someone explain HGH to me? Thanks in advance
 
even hgh wont do it without a diet, dnp is about the only one that will, and to most people its not worth it
 
Yeah I know HGH is out there...So are there any that are safe yet still highly effective. Or should I say safer than others. I know nothing in this game is 100% safe.
 
clen is about the most effective "safe" method, it results in around a 15% increase in your metabolism
 
GoldenDelicious said:
hgh is human growth hormone, do a search. you dont want to do it, it makes bones in your face grow.

I was under the impression that gh made the bones of your jaw and forehead grow ONLY if you are predisposed to acromeglia (SP?). This would be an extremely small percentage of the population.
 
Now is clen muscle spairing ? The results from clen do they stay with proper diet ? Ill go read profiles and search of clen. I dont kno much about it yet just because I have never cared but Ill check it out.
 
Diet & Cardio plus T3 , T4, HGH & Clen or varying combinations of these, but you have to include diet and cardio bro, like it or not.

There is nothing you can take while sitting on your ass eating cupcakes & Whopper Value Meals that will rip you up. I know this is the answer you did not want, but it is the troof :)
 
I feel like my trianing and diet are pretty close. Maybe diet but I have diealed that in a lot. I just dont do cardio for more than 15 mins now. Im afraid of losing muscle. But I may ahve to result more towards tuffer cardio...
 
As for 15 minutes of cardio, anything less than 45 minutes is not effective for me.

As for combos with positive effects question, yes I have but you wont like my answer.

When I eat less carbs (not atkins - just less sugar & bread), more protein and do cardio for 45 minutes to an hour at least 4 days a week I shred fat fast. I like riding bikes, but prefer running 50 yard sprints and bleachers. (diet & cardio is my preferred combo) ;)

DNP may work if you dont want to put in the effort, but I would not say it is safe.
 
Tryn2 said:
C75 Is what ? sorry....


Researchers Find Possible Fat Fighter


A chemical that kills a mouse's interest in food within 20 minutes might hold the key to weight loss, researchers at Johns Hopkins University reported in the June 30 issue of the journal Science. The researchers say the study shows a major pathway to the brain that the body uses to regulate appetite, at least in mice.

The fat loss was a side effect of the chemical, which is being studied for its possible effect on cancer cells. The research could also help scientists to understand the wasting of body tissue that happens in cancer and infectious diseases.

The researchers injected mice with a single dose of a chemical called C75. The mice soon stopped eating and lost up to 30 percent of their weight, depending on how much C75 they received. The chemical made the mice's brains think the mice had eaten, so their metabolism never slowed and they burned fat. The injection wore off in a few days and the mice resumed normal feeding.

The mice who were injected with C75 lost more weight than other mice who were merely denied food. The key appears to be that the metabolism of the injected mice stayed the same. As in people who fast, the metabolism of mice that are fasting slows down and the weight loss slows down, too.

C75 is a small member of a family of organic molecules called butyrolactones. The Johns Hopkins researchers aimed to use C75 to inhibit fatty acid synthase (FAS), an enzyme the body uses to create fatty acids, which are the building blocks of body fat. Cancer cells produce their own FAS for fuel, so scientists wanted to see if an FAS blocker would fight cancer.

"We are not claiming to have found the fabled weight-loss drug," said Frank Kuhajda, a pathologist and biochemist who was a research team member. Whether a similar weight loss would occur in humans is not clear and needs more research, the team said.
 
oxandrin. great read.. now if ug lab would just make this C75 available right now. that would be worth paying for...
 
junk said:
oxandrin. great read.. now if ug lab would just make this C75 available right now. that would be worth paying for...


it would be worth paying for if you were a mouse.
 
E-Swift25 said:
If all that shit does it control appetite, then its worthless to alot of people. Anyone with self control can eat less.

swift, I think you missed the key, "The key appears to be that the metabolism of the injected mice stayed the same"
 
Tryn2,

What are your maintenance calories and your daily caloric expenditure.

No flame intended but if you can't answer that, you don't know enough about training and nutrition.

What are your current stats and what is your goal?

As far as my opinion goes, considering diet and training have already been factored in, T3 and Clenbuterol work great together.
 
C75 doesnt only control appetite, it realy makes you burn fat quick. There are several threads floating around on it on the board, look it up. Problem is, only test were done on mice (albeit there was only ONE side effect when being used for its intended use of fighting cancer and the side was dramatic fat loss) and i doubt we will se anything in the near future. One could synthesise it if they had the equipment and some work as a synthetic organic chemist....i have the recipie.....
 
Has anyone *Tried* C75 I read about that stuff 2 years ago but never say anything about it on bodybuilding boards.

I'm using:

ECAY+Levorex+2mg Nicotine+7-keto and I have zero complaints.

P.S.

GT + HCA are both potent inhibitors of FAS though from what I've read FAS isnt a big of concern with fat-loss in humans as it is in mice (at least ACC).
 
OXANDRIN said:
Researchers Find Possible Fat Fighter


A chemical that kills a mouse's interest in food within 20 minutes might hold the key to weight loss, researchers at Johns Hopkins University reported in the June 30 issue of the journal Science. The researchers say the study shows a major pathway to the brain that the body uses to regulate appetite, at least in mice.

The fat loss was a side effect of the chemical, which is being studied for its possible effect on cancer cells. The research could also help scientists to understand the wasting of body tissue that happens in cancer and infectious diseases.

The researchers injected mice with a single dose of a chemical called C75. The mice soon stopped eating and lost up to 30 percent of their weight, depending on how much C75 they received. The chemical made the mice's brains think the mice had eaten, so their metabolism never slowed and they burned fat. The injection wore off in a few days and the mice resumed normal feeding.

The mice who were injected with C75 lost more weight than other mice who were merely denied food. The key appears to be that the metabolism of the injected mice stayed the same. As in people who fast, the metabolism of mice that are fasting slows down and the weight loss slows down, too.

C75 is a small member of a family of organic molecules called butyrolactones. The Johns Hopkins researchers aimed to use C75 to inhibit fatty acid synthase (FAS), an enzyme the body uses to create fatty acids, which are the building blocks of body fat. Cancer cells produce their own FAS for fuel, so scientists wanted to see if an FAS blocker would fight cancer.

"We are not claiming to have found the fabled weight-loss drug," said Frank Kuhajda, a pathologist and biochemist who was a research team member. Whether a similar weight loss would occur in humans is not clear and needs more research, the team said.

C75 is a small member of a family of organic molecules called butyrolactones.

GH* is too are am I mistaken?
 
OXANDRIN said:
"C75"..............nuff said

Peptide Hormone discovered by scientists dubbed "C75".

After ingestion, the rats/mice lost bodyfat with no changes in diet, excercise, anyhting at a vertiginuous rate. And they were all Ok afterwards.
 
Jenetic said:
Tryn2,

What are your maintenance calories and your daily caloric expenditure.

No flame intended but if you can't answer that, you don't know enough about training and nutrition.

What are your current stats and what is your goal?

As far as my opinion goes, considering diet and training have already been factored in, T3 and Clenbuterol work great together.

I couldnt tell you what my maintaince calories and daily expenditure is, does that mean that I dont know enough about training and nutrition?
 
You guys will never get a hold off "C75", so stop dreaming......lol

Heck, i doubt my Chemistry professor could.
 
needsize said:
I couldnt tell you what my maintaince calories and daily expenditure is, does that mean that I dont know enough about training and nutrition?

Needsize,

Not at all.

I just feel that these days there are so many people who are looking for unecessary short cuts. Many of their goals can be achieved without usage of drugs. At the same time, with some basic knowledge and understanding of training and nutrition, they can maximize their results.

No flame intended. More like tough love.
 
Jenetic said:
Needsize,

Not at all.

I just feel that these days there are so many people who are looking for unecessary short cuts. Many of their goals can be achieved without usage of drugs. At the same time, with some basic knowledge and understanding of training and nutrition, they can maximize their results.

No flame intended. More like tough love.

I understand what you were getting at, just didnt like the blanket statement, as some people like myself, have no idea about those exact numbers, but know their body well enough that it doesnt matter. Personally I am more instinctive about training and diet
 
needsize said:
I understand what you were getting at, just didnt like the blanket statement, as some people like myself, have no idea about those exact numbers, but know their body well enough that it doesnt matter. Personally I am more instinctive about training and diet

Although the numbers aren't absolutely crucial, it can help beginers considerably with how to evaluate and prepare themselves to reach their goals. Also, it should provide them with enough insight as to whether or not they are being realistic about their goals.

I myself don't bother with detailed numbers anymore. I too am strong believer in being instinctive and when it comes to your training and diet. Everyone responds differently and it is important to know what works and doesn't work for yourself.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
hgh is human growth hormone, do a search. you dont want to do it, it makes bones in your face grow.

boy that is creepy GD, but what about other bones in the body? why would it cause only the facial bones to grow?

i am semiexperienced with AAS now, as i just finished my third cycle, and have learned a lot on this site. in my pre roid days, when i knew absolutely nothing about the subject except the DANGERS!! i had heard about, you would often hear about a protruding forehead or widened jaw as a result of roids. so this is an HGH thing, but not necessarily an ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROID thing?

btw, after my three relatively minor cycles i have reached a conclusion about AAS. that is the results are good but way less subtle than i would have thought. i put on less than ten lbs each on my first two cycles of var only, and my third cycle using sus at 500mg/week. i definitely put on some qualtiy muscle but nothing freaky. i had zero sides on sus.

my fourth cycle, which will start sometime in july after some time off, i will do my first stack. i am not sure what i plan on using yet, but i want to get a little bolder and go for more dramatic gains. i am interested in EQ, and something else...maybe test prop. trial and error....there is a lot to learn.
 
As far as dramatic weight loss supplements, T3 and DNP are the only miracle drugs i can think of, and i dont know if T3 even counts as a dramatic weight loss supplement.

However tons of studies on mice are being done. Studies on drugs that block enzymes that build fat (C75), studies on thyroid meds that do not negatively affect teh heart, studies on drugs that prevent fat cells from building a capillary bed, causing the cells to die, and tons of other drugs.

I dont know if they work in humans, how you can get them, or if they are safe though.
 
nordstrom said:
As far as dramatic weight loss supplements, T3 and DNP are the only miracle drugs i can think of, and i dont know if T3 even counts as a dramatic weight loss supplement.

However tons of studies on mice are being done. Studies on drugs that block enzymes that build fat (C75), studies on thyroid meds that do not negatively affect teh heart, studies on drugs that prevent fat cells from building a capillary bed, causing the cells to die, and tons of other drugs.

I dont know if they work in humans, how you can get them, or if they are safe though.

DNP didn't do shit for me. And I did follow the plan very strictly and went up to 600mg a day. calories were dialled as well as training.. The results I've experienced were just about the same results I experience when doing strict diets without DNP and incorporating cardio. All in all
Strict Diet + proper training + DNP did for me the SAME as
Strict Diet + proper training + 30min AM cardio 4 times a week.

That's it.. Not worth it.. And I do have a lot of experience with cutting trust me. I guess it's effect is like almost everything, depandant on the person.
 
this is a quote from a bb'ing site:
Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine short half life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.
 
I dont know how much T3 can increase the metabolic rate. I have tried to dig up the info online but it varies. some sites say hyperthyroidism causes a 30% increase, some say a 100% increase in metabolic rate. But they don't mention what constitutes hyperthyroidism, how many mcg's of T3 the body is producing, which sucks. We need affordable personal metabolic testers.

combining T3 and DNP is still the most effective diet combo i can think of. one drug makes the ability to create energy less effective while the other increases the metabolic rate. I remember about 3 years ago when EF had a different board structure some guy doing large doses of both and losing about 16lbs in a week. im sure a good deal of that was water but still, shit. I'd never do it though, too dangerous.
 
C75 not commercially available, you need to make it as you are looking for a specific compound in the AMGB family. It can be done if you are a good chemist and have access to a lot of O-chem equipment. I talked a little with Spidey about it and a synthetic o-chemist should be adept.
 
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