does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting hair

[Max Expansion]

hey- basically i am allergic to propecia and dut.

i want to do something which will cut me down, whilst i do cardio and diet. i am not looking for gains. i have bloat and mild hairloss from test ent

does anything exist, which will cut me down and facilitate weight loss (alongside cardio, diet etc), without effecting my hair (or at least not as badly as t does), as i have a bit of a family disposition to it.

things i have been considering- would any be better than the others

proviron
deca
tren act
primobolin

 

[ironclaw]

have you done any reading on clen, eca, or t3? check them out

 

[20ss02]

The purpose of gear while cutting it to preserve LBM. You will lose some muscle while in a caloric deficit, but you can minimize the loss with AAS. I personally like Test Prop, EQ and Anavar for cutting. Many people will tell you to substitute Tren for EQ. I've avoided it because it would likely make me too aggressive. I'm already a hot-headed type-A.

The largest part of your success in cutting will come from your diet. There is some great info on the diet forum.

Have you considered other supplements? I use Thermorexin and Glucorell from the AF Store. I've experienced incredible results from both products.

 

[Max Expansion]

no i havent but i will

cheers

 

[Max Expansion]

there are just so many of them. tren act seems interesting= is that the same as tbol? clem as well although i could work out whever it converts to dht.
anavar and primo........ah basically i an just going round in circles

i have no idea which ones to go for= you have all made great suggestions, but i literaly dont have a clue and hairloss is a really big concern=can someone just suggest one haha

 

[all the whey]

Anavar is the safest on the hair.

Post up you stats. (age, yrs training, wo, diet, etc)

 

[Max Expansion]

i am a light aas user. just use 250 mg sus a week and hcg. gave gone from 140 to 155 pounds on it0 i am 23, five 8. i reckon iave gaibed about 6 pounds of good muscle i am happy with. the rest is bloat and fat. looking to slim down. i cant do higher dossages of test due to hair and propecia issue.
but i have topical spiro
i was wondering about anavar. what is a better option for me anavar or primo

 

[needtogetaas]

Fat Burner Synergy Capsules 150ct

http://www.customcapsule.com/index.html

 

[NickyE3]

TREN IS NOT THE SAME AS TBOL!!

go to the AF store and look at their weightloss products -trex, Yohimburn ES, sesapure, glucorell...........list goes on

 

[solidspine]

DNP will not affect your hair.

 

[Max Expansion]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

DNP will not affect your hair.

whats dnp

am i mad to even consider tren, if i have hair issues
also, does anyone know if topical spiro effects deca (ie i know that deca need 5 alpha reductase to be downgraded to a less harmful androgen)- so will doing deca for the test i take, screw me over if i add proviron, primo or deca

 

[thecomeback]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

whats dnp

am i mad to even consider tren, if i have hair issues
also, does anyone know if topical spiro effects deca (ie i know that deca need 5 alpha reductase to be downgraded to a less harmful androgen)- so will doing deca for the test i take, screw me over if i add proviron, primo or deca

Something you don't want to mess with.

 

[chilledandy]

DNP is what deca converts to via the 5ar and is less harmful than deca on the hairline, therefore, you should not use a 5ar blocker such as finasteride when using deca.
Test converts to DHT via the 5ar and so if you used test you would need to use finasteride or some other 5ar blocker to prevent hairloss.
That being said, the order in which steroids effect hair loss from least to most is pretty much as follows:
Anavar
Deca
Primo and EQ
...
...
...
Winstrol, Tren
Test
Masteron, Proviron, Dbol
Anadrol

Basically, if your concerned about hairloss and considering using gear than go with Anavar and Deca/EQ,
I once did a cycle of Tren with Test E, dbol at the start and winny at the end, with proviron thrown in throughout and finasteride. My hair line receeded so badly. I had never experienced any hairloss. However, I have since read that finasteride when first used causes hairloss in the first 2 - 4 weeks so it could have been this, or a combination of dbol, tren, proviron and the rest.
For cutting, i'd use anavar and EQ, both anabolic with very little androgenic effects so you won't see bloating. Deca can bloast you up. Train hard, and swim a lot. Eat shed loads of protein and drink loads of protein shakes.

 

[Muscle Overkill]

No disrespect but its kinda riculous to say your hair loss was caused from hair losss medication
NO BRO IT WAS THE JUICE

 

[ripped691978]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

hey- basically i am allergic to propecia and dut.

i want to do something which will cut me down, whilst i do cardio and diet. i am not looking for gains. i have bloat and mild hairloss from test ent

does anything exist, which will cut me down and facilitate weight loss (alongside cardio, diet etc), without effecting my hair (or at least not as badly as t does), as i have a bit of a family disposition to it.

things i have been considering- would any be better than the others

proviron
deca
tren act
primobolin

Go hard core IGF-1 HGH all lean muscle and will lean u out like nothing else all the while u keep your hair.

 

[Max Expansion]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

Go hard core IGF-1 HGH all lean muscle and will lean u out like nothing else all the while u keep your hair.

i was thinking of doing that actually
however i dont understand someone else post, that androgenic effects make you bloat- i thought the anabolic effect was more likely to make you bloat

cheers

 

[liquidpct]

yeh, it sure does, its called cardio and diet

 

[chilledandy]

No disrespect but its kinda riculous to say your hair loss was caused from hair losss medication
NO BRO IT WAS THE JUICE

Its quite widely regarded as fact that Finasteride can cause hairloss when you first start using it. I don't know the science and quite frankly can't be arse to quanlify my statements other than to say you are wrong, and fina can and does cause hairloss initially in some people. It is for this reason that one should not stop and start intermitantly with this medication.

 

[solidspine]

have you done any reading on clen, eca, or t3? check them out

ditto

DNP

The strongest diet aid available, not for the uninitiated

 

[SpyWizard]

umm... food..

 

[Mac173]

]DNP is what deca converts to via the 5ar and is less harmful than deca on the hairline, therefore, you should not use a 5ar blocker such as finasteride when using deca[/B].
Test converts to DHT via the 5ar and so if you used test you would need to use finasteride or some other 5ar blocker to prevent hairloss.
That being said, the order in which steroids effect hair loss from least to most is pretty much as follows:
Anavar
Deca
Primo and EQ
...
...
...
Winstrol, Tren
Test
Masteron, Proviron, Dbol
Anadrol

Basically, if your concerned about hairloss and considering using gear than go with Anavar and Deca/EQ,
I once did a cycle of Tren with Test E, dbol at the start and winny at the end, with proviron thrown in throughout and finasteride. My hair line receeded so badly. I had never experienced any hairloss. However, I have since read that finasteride when first used causes hairloss in the first 2 - 4 weeks so it could have been this, or a combination of dbol, tren, proviron and the rest.
For cutting, i'd use anavar and EQ, both anabolic with very little androgenic effects so you won't see bloating. Deca can bloast you up. Train hard, and swim a lot. Eat shed loads of protein and drink loads of protein shakes.

I think you are a little confused.
You are referring to DHN.
SS was referring to DNP, used for fatloss and the toasting of internal organs.
Alright I exaggerated a little bit.

 

[krishna]

Tren doesn't affect my hair. Deca alone can actually help prevent hair loss while on it. Deca might make you bloat some though.

 

[yahya1966]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

yeh, it sure does, its called cardio and diet

lol, exactly what i was gonna say, plus ur genes.

 

[Ross]

Actually, it's called Oxandrolone(Anavar).

Methenolone(Primobolan) also can not cause hairloss despite the misconception that it can, as it is enzymatically reduced via the 5a-Reductase enzyme into the less androgenic DHB(Dihydroboldenone)--NOT DHT(Dihydrotestosterone).

Closetebol also will not cause hairloss.

 

[yahya1966]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

yeh, it sure does, its called cardio and diet

lol, exactly what i was gonna say, plus ur genes.

 

[Ross]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

lol, exactly what i was gonna say, plus ur genes.

That's pretty OBVIOUS...

ASSUMING he has his diet and training regimens adjusted accordingly, he is simply asking for a traditional "CUTTING" steroid that will not adversely effect his HAIR.

 

[solidspine]

I have no idea what gear does to hair, I still have my hair, grey, but it is there,

One thing, I did 10 years ago that lasted and worked was liposuction, and did not affect my hair.

 

[krishna]

Actually, it's called Oxandrolone(Anavar).

Methenolone(Primobolan) also can not cause hairloss despite the misconception that it can, as it is enzymatically reduced via the 5a-Reductase enzyme into the less androgenic DHB(Dihydroboldenone)--NOT DHT(Dihydrotestosterone).

Closetebol also will not cause hairloss.

Primo can and will cause hairloss for some, just as any gear can, including anavar. They are all androgens that can attach to ARs in the scalp if an individual has an affinity for it. They also cause hormone fluctuations, which causes Telogen Effluvium - a certain type of shedding in which the hair rapidly falls out evenly throughout the scalp. Don't fool yourself bro. Primo is actually a derivative of DHB so it is already reduced, and DHB is regarded as highly androgenic, although while taking eq, it has a low affinity for the 5ar enzyme, so little of it is reduced to DHB.

 

[Ross]

Primo can and will cause hairloss for some, just as any gear can, including anavar. They are all androgens that can attach to ARs in the scalp if an individual has an affinity for it. They also cause hormone fluctuations, which causes Telogen Effluvium - a certain type of shedding in which the hair rapidly falls out evenly throughout the scalp. Don't fool yourself bro. Primo is actually a derivative of DHB so it is already reduced, and DHB is regarded as highly androgenic, although while taking eq, it has a low affinity for the 5ar enzyme, so little of it is reduced to DHB.

Yes Primobolan is a DHB-derivative, and thus, does not cause hairloss.

Primobolan is often faked with Winstrol in oil, which is what causes hairloss.

 

[The_Chemist]

Actually, it's called Oxandrolone(Anavar).

Methenolone(Primobolan) also can not cause hairloss despite the misconception that it can, as it is enzymatically reduced via the 5a-Reductase enzyme into the less androgenic DHB(Dihydroboldenone)--NOT DHT(Dihydrotestosterone).

Closetebol also will not cause hairloss.

So how is Primo affected if it were be taken in conjunction with dutasteride? Is it reduced into something with a lesser affinity to the receptors in the scalp. This is a great question, because many have reported that Primo is the worst AAS on the hairline. Most quote the fact that is a DHT based steroid.

 

[The_Chemist]

bump

 

[Ross]

So how is Primo affected if it were be taken in conjunction with dutasteride? Is it reduced into something with a lesser affinity to the receptors in the scalp. This is a great question, because many have reported that Primo is the worst AAS on the hairline. Most quote the fact that is a DHT based steroid.

It's actually NOT a "DHT-based" steriod, as it is derived from DHB(Dihydroboldenone) and NOT DHT(Dihydrotestosterone).

Primobolan is actually DERIVED from the 5a-reduced version of Equipoise.

 

[The_Chemist]

It's actually NOT a "DHT-based" steriod, as it is derived from DHB(Dihydroboldenone) and NOT DHT(Dihydrotestosterone).

Primobolan is actually DERIVED from the 5a-reduced version of Equipoise.

So would primo further be reduced while taking dutasteride into something else?

 

[cop]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

maybe because many take primo with other aas...what about a primo only cycle??? let's ask nelson....

 

[under]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

Even real primmo can cause hairloss, I looked in to this many years ago no one has a precise answer for it, but it can and propecia etc doesnt work with it, if it didn't it would be my choice for breakfast everyday. lol

 

[aussiebra]

Re: does it exist- something which will get me lean, slim and cut without effecting h

Ok heres my take....

Im predisposed to hairloss both my younger brothers are bald or going bald.. and im receding at the front sides i have found testosterone and dbol and superdrol to have no impact on my hairline what sover!