Does excess androgens close growth plates?

[JV]

Just curious. I have read that Androgens at pre or young adolescent age can increase height. But I have also heard a few rumors that excess Androgens later in adolescence (mid to late puberty and young adulthood) can close the growth plates. I was wondering if this was true, because I always hear estrogen closes growth plates?

Sometimes I've heard that Androgens close growth plates when/if they aromatize into estrogen. Say Androgens do in fact stunt growth because typically with high androgens theres high estrogen, what if one were using a non aromatizing DHT derived substance like Superdrol, Epistane, Anavar, or possibly even Anadrol, Halo, Tren. Would that close growth plates?

 

[JV]

Bump

 

[bren565]

dice roll

= debatable.

 

[JV]

dice roll

= debatable.

Man, I was really hoping to get an answer
I'm not sure why Andros would, because for the most part, its clear that Estrogen typically closes growth plates.

 

[JV]

Anyone?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Excessive estrogen causes growth plates to close.
Androgens would cause accelerated growth.

 

[JV]

Excessive estrogen causes growth plates to close.
Androgens would cause accelerated growth.

Thank you
You seem to have the answers to all the tough questions on this forum

 

[JV]

Excessive estrogen causes growth plates to close.
Androgens would cause accelerated growth.

One question though, when you say it causes accelerated growth. Do you mean it speeds up the closing process or what. Or you just basically hit a growth spurt?

 

[bren565]

One question though, when you say it causes accelerated growth. Do you mean it speeds up the closing process or what. Or you just basically hit a growth spurt?

gamer has a shit load of experience, and kinowledge sorry i cant speak for myself, I do not know whether it does or not, I have heard mixed reviews and opiinions and cannot answer you honestly and openly.

 

[Voijn]

i once read an article that says that androgenes in the right amounts will increase height in men

They made a setup showing, that men normaly are higher then women and explained that the reason for this was that women had more estrogene then men, leading to a faster stop in growth plantes.
Surely genetics ect has some to say also

So anavar, winstrol and such would be perfect for this since it did not close growth plantes due to not aromatising into estrogene
think anavar was mainly used for this

 

[JV]

i once read an article that says that androgenes in the right amounts will increase height in men

They made a setup showing, that men normaly are higher then women and explained that the reason for this was that women had more estrogene then men, leading to a faster stop in growth plantes.
Surely genetics ect has some to say also

So anavar, winstrol and such would be perfect for this since it did not close growth plantes due to not aromatising into estrogene
think anavar was mainly used for this

I know Anavar has been used to increase height. But I'm still confused on accelerated growth or plate closure in reguards to androgens. Lets say if a non aromatizing steroid or PH like Epistane or Dimethazine were used, could it stunt growth due to slightly high androgen ratio? Or would the high androgens boost natural height because it cannot convert, so the androgens will stay androgens?? Thanks.

 

[JV]

I know Anavar has been used to increase height. But I'm still confused on accelerated growth or plate closure in reguards to androgens. Lets say if a non aromatizing steroid or PH like Epistane or Dimethazine were used, could it stunt growth due to slightly high androgen ratio? Or would the high androgens boost natural height because it cannot convert, so the androgens will stay androgens?? Thanks.

Bump

 

[JV]

I know Anavar has been used to increase height. But I'm still confused on accelerated growth or plate closure in reguards to androgens. Lets say if a non aromatizing steroid or PH like Epistane or Dimethazine were used, could it stunt growth due to slightly high androgen ratio? Or would the high androgens boost natural height because it cannot convert, so the androgens will stay androgens?? Thanks.

Bump???

 

[cuthroat]

quit bumping your thread and if your asking questions related to closing growth plates you don't need to be messing around with AS your to young.

 

[maldorf]

quit bumping your thread and if your asking questions related to closing growth plates you don't need to be messing around with AS your to young.

Exactly. Nobody that young needs to be using steroids. When youre that young you grow like a weed naturally because of high hormone levels and because youre new to lifting. The first 5 years or so are a cake walk. Starting that young is only going to make it that much harder to make gains when you grow older because your body will become dependant on the extra hormone levels and once you get off youll lose most of what you put on anyhow.

 

[needtogetaas]

One question though, when you say it causes accelerated growth. Do you mean it speeds up the closing process or what. Or you just basically hit a growth spurt?

They give steroids like var to kids my man. Only highly aromatising steroids will cause a problem.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Exactly. Nobody that young needs to be using steroids. When youre that young you grow like a weed naturally because of high hormone levels and because youre new to lifting. The first 5 years or so are a cake walk. Starting that young is only going to make it that much harder to make gains when you grow older because your body will become dependant on the extra hormone levels and once you get off youll lose most of what you put on anyhow.

Wrong, if you grow like a weed for 5 years natty it is because you are genetically inclined. Some people have hyper thyroids. Some have real slow. Some guys have large body frames and some guys have tiny feminine body frames. Not every teen trough
I'd twenties is lucky enough to have normal estro levels and above 800 ng/dl test levels. So many factors in how fast you grow. Some guys natural cap is under 200lbs. To many factors to say if you are 20 you grow lime a weed. In 4000 cams a dah I grow like a torrid lmao.

 

[JV]

Thanks guys. Yea I'm near 20 now, and go get up to around 215 at 8% body fat. My bench is 300 and dead is 500. I guess to be safe I can wait to put another 100 pounds on those lifts till cycle??

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Thanks guys. Yea I'm near 20 now, and go get up to around 215 at 8% body fat. My bench is 300 and dead is 500. I guess to be safe I can wait to put another 100 pounds on those lifts till cycle??

I shouldn't advocate this openly lmao.... But I would hop on cycle in your situation? When you hit 21?

 

[JV]

I shouldn't advocate this openly lmao.... But I would hop on cycle in your situation? When you hit 21?

Next June. And hahaha, at least you're one of the open minded tell it like it is guys. It gets old when the ignorant members only say what they think with no real knowledge nor experience.

The two things that worry me are stunting growth (I may be done growing, but I hope not lmao) and that people say taking gear will ruin gains in the future.
As for stunting growth, thats why I'd only run non aromatizing PH's (and why I was/am worried about androgens). And as for wrecking and destroying future natty gains, I don't see that being REAALLY feasible on short 4 week cycles.

 

[bren565]

id be interested to know this, woul d a combo of

gh
and var cause some extended growth period?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

id be interested to know this, woul d a combo of

gh
and var cause some extended growth period?

Possibly.
With a high enough dose of GH in teen year

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Next June. And hahaha, at least you're one of the open minded tell it like it is guys. It gets old when the ignorant members only say what they think with no real knowledge nor experience.

The two things that worry me are stunting growth (I may be done growing, but I hope not lmao) and that people say taking gear will ruin gains in the future.
As for stunting growth, thats why I'd only run non aromatizing PH's (and why I was/am worried about androgens). And as for wrecking and destroying future natty gains, I don't see that being REAALLY feasible on short 4 week cycles.

1) use an AI and growth plates wont close
2) steroids may better your future natty gains, if you havent hit your natural peak
3) 4 week cycles are crap, especially when it is just var or tbol, 8 weeks minimum

And if you decide to cycle, you cant log it on here

 

[JV]

1) use an AI and growth plates wont close
2) steroids may better your future natty gains, if you havent hit your natural peak
3) 4 week cycles are crap, especially when it is just var or tbol, 8 weeks minimum

And if you decide to cycle, you cant log it on here

Will do #1
How so for #2,I had no idea this was true. Any suggestions on how to do this?
And #3, What cycle would you suggest then? Hopefully it consists of PH's or once legal gear.

And thanks for the heads up!

 

[JV]

What about a Prop only cycle with AI and proper PCT? Will it close the plates even with Adex?

Maybe it wouldnt, but I hear that some pct's like Adex, nolva, clomid, ex. But I don't know for sure.

 

[JV]

Will do #1
How so for #2,I had no idea this was true. Any suggestions on how to do this?
And #3, What cycle would you suggest then? Hopefully it consists of PH's or once legal gear.

And thanks for the heads up!

bumpieeeeee boooooooooop

 

[JV]

1) use an AI and growth plates wont close
2) steroids may better your future natty gains, if you havent hit your natural peak
3) 4 week cycles are crap, especially when it is just var or tbol, 8 weeks minimum

Sorry don't mean to keep bumping this. Buuuut:
~If running Superdrol, would it be fine using ATD as the anti-e, because SD doesn't even aromatize I believe.
~How do I go about doing this? What should I do to increase my natty gains and peak?
~I already have Superdrol, what do you suggest?? Stack it with Turinabol? Run SD from week 1-4 and Tbol for 1-8?
Thanks so much!!

 

[_Nomad]

Sorry don't mean to keep bumping this. Buuuut:
~If running Superdrol, would it be fine using ATD as the anti-e, because SD doesn't even aromatize I believe.
~How do I go about doing this? What should I do to increase my natty gains and peak?
~I already have Superdrol, what do you suggest?? Stack it with Turinabol? Run SD from week 1-4 and Tbol for 1-8?
Thanks so much!!

If you are still trying to grow I wouldn't run methylated phs such as Superdrol at all. Anything like that puts too much stress on your liver and will definitely throw your endocrine, immune and other important systems and levels out of whack. Sadly there is very few studies out there on AI and height in males but there is basically nothing on AI, pHs and height.

Strong AI first then maybe throw in a weak test injectable dose. From my experience, I grew about 3/4 of an inch in the last 6 months (5'8" atm) and even during h drol cycle runs I barely grew at all. During my short beastdrol and diesel cycles I did not grow at all...only thing that grew at an insane rate was my muscle mass.

 

[DocToxin8]

Gonna chime in on this old thread With the following information:
As stated, estrogen (or rather estrogen receptor activation) is involved in closing the growth plates.
So yes, small doses of var can increase height, BUT,
take into account that these compounds are not 100% selective for their receptors.
This is even more so with compunds like anadrol.
So in high doses, even non aromatizing AAS can stunt growth.
I would say that if you're not finished growing, stay away from AAS unless you intentionally want to stop it.