Does excess androgens close growth plates?

[bren565]

id be interested to know this, woul d a combo of

gh
and var cause some extended growth period?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

id be interested to know this, woul d a combo of

gh
and var cause some extended growth period?

Possibly.
With a high enough dose of GH in teen year

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Next June. And hahaha, at least you're one of the open minded tell it like it is guys. It gets old when the ignorant members only say what they think with no real knowledge nor experience.

The two things that worry me are stunting growth (I may be done growing, but I hope not lmao) and that people say taking gear will ruin gains in the future.
As for stunting growth, thats why I'd only run non aromatizing PH's (and why I was/am worried about androgens). And as for wrecking and destroying future natty gains, I don't see that being REAALLY feasible on short 4 week cycles.

1) use an AI and growth plates wont close
2) steroids may better your future natty gains, if you havent hit your natural peak
3) 4 week cycles are crap, especially when it is just var or tbol, 8 weeks minimum

And if you decide to cycle, you cant log it on here

 

[JV]

1) use an AI and growth plates wont close
2) steroids may better your future natty gains, if you havent hit your natural peak
3) 4 week cycles are crap, especially when it is just var or tbol, 8 weeks minimum

And if you decide to cycle, you cant log it on here

Will do #1
How so for #2,I had no idea this was true. Any suggestions on how to do this?
And #3, What cycle would you suggest then? Hopefully it consists of PH's or once legal gear.

And thanks for the heads up!

 

[JV]

What about a Prop only cycle with AI and proper PCT? Will it close the plates even with Adex?

Maybe it wouldnt, but I hear that some pct's like Adex, nolva, clomid, ex. But I don't know for sure.

 

[JV]

Will do #1
How so for #2,I had no idea this was true. Any suggestions on how to do this?
And #3, What cycle would you suggest then? Hopefully it consists of PH's or once legal gear.

And thanks for the heads up!

bumpieeeeee boooooooooop

 

[JV]

1) use an AI and growth plates wont close
2) steroids may better your future natty gains, if you havent hit your natural peak
3) 4 week cycles are crap, especially when it is just var or tbol, 8 weeks minimum

Sorry don't mean to keep bumping this. Buuuut:
~If running Superdrol, would it be fine using ATD as the anti-e, because SD doesn't even aromatize I believe.
~How do I go about doing this? What should I do to increase my natty gains and peak?
~I already have Superdrol, what do you suggest?? Stack it with Turinabol? Run SD from week 1-4 and Tbol for 1-8?
Thanks so much!!

 

[_Nomad]

Sorry don't mean to keep bumping this. Buuuut:
~If running Superdrol, would it be fine using ATD as the anti-e, because SD doesn't even aromatize I believe.
~How do I go about doing this? What should I do to increase my natty gains and peak?
~I already have Superdrol, what do you suggest?? Stack it with Turinabol? Run SD from week 1-4 and Tbol for 1-8?
Thanks so much!!

If you are still trying to grow I wouldn't run methylated phs such as Superdrol at all. Anything like that puts too much stress on your liver and will definitely throw your endocrine, immune and other important systems and levels out of whack. Sadly there is very few studies out there on AI and height in males but there is basically nothing on AI, pHs and height.

Strong AI first then maybe throw in a weak test injectable dose. From my experience, I grew about 3/4 of an inch in the last 6 months (5'8" atm) and even during h drol cycle runs I barely grew at all. During my short beastdrol and diesel cycles I did not grow at all...only thing that grew at an insane rate was my muscle mass.

 

[DocToxin8]

Gonna chime in on this old thread With the following information:
As stated, estrogen (or rather estrogen receptor activation) is involved in closing the growth plates.
So yes, small doses of var can increase height, BUT,
take into account that these compounds are not 100% selective for their receptors.
This is even more so with compunds like anadrol.
So in high doses, even non aromatizing AAS can stunt growth.
I would say that if you're not finished growing, stay away from AAS unless you intentionally want to stop it.