Does anyone like Obama??? why? or why not?

[digimon7068]

I also get a kick out of how quickly Republicans abandoned this guy when the reality is many (most?) of them agree with his basic premise, you don't get pregnant from rape, just not how he said it. If you believe something then own it; don't hide because it's going to cost you votes.

i know women who've gotten pregnant from rape...kinda hard for me to back that theory...

 

[redsamurai]

To a bureaucrat in DC or your state capitol you are just another number. .

as you are to any corporate accountant, absolutely no different.

 

[redsamurai]

Ha fuck that open a business and run it. Then justify all the goddmn taxes you pay to employ a fireman and pave a road

dude those are the taxes i agree with and "want" to pay. Holy shit dude do you really want services like fire and police to be privatized? Do you understand the clusterfuck that would be? Police and fire work pretty damn well and I'm all for that kind of taxation....where i have the problem is where we send billions, trillions actually if you take it over a few years, on foreign expenditures and military presence. Within 10 years, you watch, we'll be told that it's "absoutely imperative" to have a fully fledged military installation on the mooon.....couldn't go on as a nation without it. In fact if we don't all agree to it we're pussies who are handing the world back over to the cossacks and bing bings. Just watch.

 

[redsamurai]

honestly...i think john mccain got far along in his campaign, realized that he REALLY DIDN'T want the job, thought "wtf am i gonna do now??", looked around for a running mate that would make him unelectable, picked sarah palin...i'm kinda not joking...it's the only logical explanation for picking that fucking knucklehead.

I 100% concur with this statement, i really do think McCain threw it. I'm almost wondering if Romny did the same with Ryan....he picked a dude who has talked about no rape limitations to abortion bills. Quickest way to start the next civil war is to tell folks we're going back to the old testament ways where a man can get away with raping a woman as long as he marries her and pays the father 50 schekels....whatever the fuck that is in dollars and inflation <---would actually be awesome if someone would figure that out. 50 joo shekels and i get to rape me some bitch, plus she has to make me sammich's for the rest of my life. How many low life's in this country you think will take that deal? But seriously, we hate the fundy muslims cause we here that women have to marry their rapists. How far off from that is it when we're lookin to tell women that a man can rape them and they just have to deal with it if they get pregnant. How long before a rapists sues for custody of the child? Think that's a slam dunk case? In this society? you're fooling yourself. This patriarchal society will find a way to allow the man to take custody of the child if the woman doesn't want to keep it and not make it sound we've regressed 2500 years.

I want so bad to vote libertarian this election but this shit just has me almost scratching the side of my face. The republicans CANNOT and seemingly do not want to distance themselves from this kind of old school fundamentalism, the kind that we point at the muslims for and say what a backwards existence those people live. It's like the republicans want to bring the whole country out of the woodwork and make people forget about the bad economy. The only reason polls are a statistical tie is precisely for this kind of mind numbing Old testament asshatery that people are less inclined to go for than another 4 years of obama. I'd rather bring Carter out of mothballs than just one year of these asshats.

 

[brownbrown]

dude those are the taxes i agree with and "want" to pay. Holy shit dude do you really want services like fire and police to be privatized? Do you understand the clusterfuck that would be? Police and fire work pretty damn well and I'm all for that kind of taxation....where i have the problem is where we send billions, trillions actually if you take it over a few years, on foreign expenditures and military presence. Within 10 years, you watch, we'll be told that it's "absoutely imperative" to have a fully fledged military installation on the mooon.....couldn't go on as a nation without it. In fact if we don't all agree to it we're pussies who are handing the world back over to the cossacks and bing bings. Just watch.

They had selective Firefighting before in America. People that didnt have the sign on their homes just burned.

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[redsamurai]

They had selective Firefighting before in America. People that didnt have the sign on their homes just burned.

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sure, makes perfect sense. The CEO of the local fire company needs a nice retirement party so they raise premiums, and you just have to pretty much suck it. Should be fine. But you could always just switch fire companies, if there even is competition that is, just don't hvae a fire while your paperwork is being processed.

 

[redsamurai]

I hate his ass, his wife is so ugly i'd go gay before i'd hit that..

pick3's place is that way bro--->


wise choice knock yourself out,

 

[redsamurai]

The free market doesn't build high speed rail because it isn't profitable;

that sure isn't what their lobbyists say. The govt wouldn't be trying to build high speed rail if it weren't for the private sector folks coming back from places like China and wishing they had some of that shit.

not enough demand for the sink in capital plus regulation costs.

Regulation costs are nothing compared to what our economy would benefit from a rail system. You're wrong abuot the demand, but right about capital costs being too high for private enterprise. It would take many companies to team up to build the thing and they'd never agree upon useage. The only entity that could successfully build something like that to benefit the "entire" economy, is a collective action by a govt.

 

[javaguru]

as you are to any corporate accountant, absolutely no different.

There is a big difference; A corporation in the free market run like the government would go out of business.Imagine if you could vote with your tax dollars as you vote in the free market by purchasing things you want. Ignore the Galbraith view that corporations can trick people into demand with advertising. I've never owned an Apple product, "smart" phone, and new Coke should have been the most successful product in history. Everyone preferred classic Coke and voted with their dollars regardless of one of the most expensive advertising campaigns.

How many people in the Army Corps of Engineers lost their job over Katrina? A private business running the levies would have been held responsible for the deaths and probably would have gone out of business just over the fact they provided an inferior service and other clients would have cancelled their contracts. Also, any project as big as managing the levies would naturally demand the private company to have insurance to cover losses. That insurance company, being on the hook for potentially billions, would hire their own engineers to ensure the integrity of the system and increase premiums or drop coverage based on their own evaluation. Government regulators have no incentive to be effective regulators, they have an incentive to be ineffective because they are "captured" by the corporations based on the prospect of a high paying job in compliance when they leave.

 

[javaguru]

Ha fuck that open a business and run it. Then justify all the goddmn taxes you pay to employ a fireman and pave a road

In the United States, the majority of firefighters are unpaid volunteers.

 

[javaguru]

This. The government isnt a business and shouldnt be run like one. Do we get upset that the military doesnt make a profit? Certain things are/should be there for the greater good without respect to whether or not it makes a profit...things that we all need (eg police, healthcare, military, etc).

Why is it bad to provide people with goods and services they want without coercion?

Indeed, the government is a mafia.

Food is a more urgent need than the police,healthcare, military,etc.

Therefore, you would argue the government should take over agricultural production?

The profit motive does more for the greater good than government has ever done. I grew up in a system where the feds controlled the telecom industry by establishing a government monopoly. You could have a cream colored rotary phone or a black rotary phone; In rural areas you had communal lines. You would pick up the phone and hear your neighbors conversation because you were on the same line. Within a few years of it being privatized we had answering machines, illegal under the government, shortly after we had cell phones and now we have smart phones and the internet (the government forbid any meddling with phone lines that would have lead to the internet).

Private military Vs. government...
"Surprised the hell out of them."


100 mercs vs 17k UN Peacekeepers at keeping the peace.

20 million a year Vs 1 billion per year...

 

[brownbrown]

In the United States, the majority of firefighters are unpaid volunteers.

N where is this statement derived. In magic Jack Daniels land?
1. This proves you know less than Dick about what you're talking about.
I have FF friends..... And thy get paid well for what they do.

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[brownbrown]

There is a big difference; A corporation in the free market run like the government would go out of business.Imagine if you could vote with your tax dollars as you vote in the free market by purchasing things you want. Ignore the Galbraith view that corporations can trick people into demand with advertising. I've never owned an Apple product, "smart" phone, and new Coke should have been the most successful product in history. Everyone preferred classic Coke and voted with their dollars regardless of one of the most expensive advertising campaigns.

How many people in the Army Corps of Engineers lost their job over Katrina? A private business running the levies would have been held responsible for the deaths and probably would have gone out of business just over the fact they provided an inferior service and other clients would have cancelled their contracts. Also, any project as big as managing the levies would naturally demand the private company to have insurance to cover losses. That insurance company, being on the hook for potentially billions, would hire their own engineers to ensure the integrity of the system and increase premiums or drop coverage based on their own evaluation. Government regulators have no incentive to be effective regulators, they have an incentive to be ineffective because they are "captured" by the corporations based on the prospect of a high paying job in compliance when they leave.

Read the thread you lazy fuck...this was already spoken about. Mr. article 1 section8

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[javaguru]

N where is this statement derived. In magic Jack Daniels land?
1. This proves you know less than Dick about what you're talking about.
I have FF friends..... And thy get paid well for what they do.

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I grew up in a county without a single professional firefighter...

USATODAY.com - Number of volunteer firefighters is declining

Consider yourself officially pwned...
"There is no greater, longer-running expression of volunteerism in U.S. history than the volunteer fire service, which still saves taxpayers billions of dollars each year. Almost three-fourths of the nation's 1.1. million firefighters are volunteers, and two-thirds of all fire departments are volunteer."

PS They're decreasing because of socialism. I bet your friends get their information from their socialist union newsletter.

 

[brownbrown]

no he was explain to me how his pay works,. You live in a little box that has ideas about so much, but haven't experienced any of what you are saying

 

[javaguru]

You're not credible. No one believes anything you say.

Provide your data.

You are entitled to an opinion but not facts.

Provide evidence that I have taken unemployment insurance; It doesn't exist. If you claim that I'm a hypocrite on unemployment insurance then provide your evidence. Otherwise, you're the one that isn't credible. The fact you claim to speak for "everyone" just makes you look ridiculous, you don't have any insight or ownership of other people's thoughts.

Ad Hominem attacks are just a yawn because I get so many. Attack the arguments and not the person; You're a smart gal smurf...work through your emotional thinking to find reason.

 

[brownbrown]

I grew up in a county without a single professional firefighter...

USATODAY.com - Number of volunteer firefighters is declining

Consider yourself officially pwned...
".

Fire Fighter

 

[javaguru]

Fire Fighter

Take it up with USA Today, not me...

pwned...

 

[javaguru]

I don't agree with President Reagan but Goldwater Reagan had some insight...

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so."
-Ronald Reagan

"A Time for Choosing", Address on behalf of Senator Barry Goldwater,
"Rendezvous with Destiny", October 27, 1964

 

[brownbrown]

Take it up with USA Today, not me...

pwned...

Take up the fact that you dont know shit about Firefighters with USA today? Holy shit you're Fucking retarded.

 

[Dial_tone]

well...uhhh...one of the purposes of government is to provide that stuff that is necessary but not profitable, yes?? if something is profitable, the government doesn't need to provide it...there are plenty of people out there competing for your business.

And we NEED to ensure gov't does invest in those area that may not be profitable like health insurance for old people; mail/internet service to rural areas. That also means people can't complain when the Feds lose money on it.

 

[javaguru]

Take up the fact that you dont know shit about Firefighters with USA today? Holy shit you're Fucking retarded.

The NFPA, a firefighting trade association pwns you again with facts you don't know.
http://www.nfpa.org/itemDetail.asp?.../Statistical reports/Fire service statistics/


Merriam Webster says it's spelled firefighter.
Firefighter - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Finally, there is a large and vibrant private EMS.

 

[dmaug2308]

No problem with paying for that shit I have family members who r firefighters and cops I also drive on roads but like I said open a business and see how much you enjoy paying taxes everywhere u turn tax tax tax the better u do the higher percentage tax u pay. To much if I did t pay taxes I could retire in 5 years

 

[Typo]

Can I Michelle?

 

[Dial_tone]

Can I Michelle?

I doubt you can Michelle but I can probably teach you how to Dougie.

 

[digimon7068]

And we NEED to ensure gov't does invest in those area that may not be profitable like health insurance for old people; mail/internet service to rural areas. That also means people can't complain when the Feds lose money on it.

they're not supposed to make money on it...that's why they're called social services, right?

 

[brownbrown]

they're not supposed to make money on it...that's why they're called social services, right?

There was a blind trust for Ss. Because it was making money. And it had a huge surplus. Which was to fund it for a long long time. But in the 80's it was opened for "borrowing". And the $ has never been returned. Trillions have been taken

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[digimon7068]

There was a blind trust for Ss. Because it was making money. And it had a huge surplus. Which was to fund it for a long long time. But in the 80's it was opened for "borrowing". And the $ has never been returned. Trillions have been taken

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pennsylvania did the same thing with the state employees retirement system...and now that they can't pay back what they "borrowed", they want to "reform" the pension plan.

 

[brownbrown]

pennsylvania did the same thing with the state employees retirement system...and now that they can't pay back what they "borrowed", they want to "reform" the pension plan.

Ohh?! Nice info! I got some research to do.

Well you know all public workers are rich and evil union workers. Duh


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[digimon7068]

Ohh?! Nice info! I got some research to do.

Well you know all public workers are rich and evil union workers. Duh


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the psers had a surplus before the commonwealth borrowed the money...now the plan is underfunded and the commonwealth doesn't want to pay back what they borrowed, and, they want to reform the plan so that current members have to move to a traditional (i.e., defined contribution) plan...the problem is, most state employees quite literally work for their pension...their wages tend to be significantly less than their private sector peers...so, if you take away their pension, theoretically you will have to increase their wages to match their private sector peers or, the state will not be able to hire anyone...pay me now or pay me later!!

 

[redsamurai]

There is a big difference; A corporation in the free market run like the government would go out of business.Imagine if you could vote with your tax dollars as you vote in the free market by purchasing things you want. Ignore the Galbraith view that corporations can trick people into demand with advertising. I've never owned an Apple product, "smart" phone, and new Coke should have been the most successful product in history. Everyone preferred classic Coke and voted with their dollars regardless of one of the most expensive advertising campaigns.

How many people in the Army Corps of Engineers lost their job over Katrina? A private business running the levies would have been held responsible for the deaths and probably would have gone out of business just over the fact they provided an inferior service and other clients would have cancelled their contracts. Also, any project as big as managing the levies would naturally demand the private company to have insurance to cover losses. That insurance company, being on the hook for potentially billions, would hire their own engineers to ensure the integrity of the system and increase premiums or drop coverage based on their own evaluation. Government regulators have no incentive to be effective regulators, they have an incentive to be ineffective because they are "captured" by the corporations based on the prospect of a high paying job in compliance when they leave.

It's all been proven to be paper theory mate. Seriously, what you write sounds good on paper. It "should" work that way, i'm not really sure why it doesn't but i suspect it's something to do with humans.

 

[redsamurai]

There was a blind trust for Ss. Because it was making money. And it had a huge surplus. Which was to fund it for a long long time. But in the 80's it was opened for "borrowing". And the $ has never been returned. Trillions have been taken

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this digi^^^

It was corruption of the highest order why SS and also other programs went or are headed towards bankruptcy. It got raided by special interests, no more no less.

 

[redsamurai]

Finally, there is a large and vibrant private EMS.

So when people have emergencies do they call specific EMS services? Or do they call 9/11?

 

[javaguru]

So when people have emergencies do they call specific EMS services? Or do they call 9/11?

People called a specific government number on rotary phones for emergency services before 911. You don't even have to dial a number in the free market, in case you you fell and couldn't get up, life alert will provide you a one push button and On star will determine an emergency through real time info and dispatch it when you are incapable of dialing 911 because you are incapacitated in a car crash.

The government doesn't innovate, it just steals like the mafia while claiming it makes your life better.

 

[javaguru]

It's all been proven to be paper theory mate. Seriously, what you write sounds good on paper. It "should" work that way, i'm not really sure why it doesn't but i suspect it's something to do with humans.

It isn't paper theory utopian. This country had a free market railroad that pwned the subsidized railroads. We also had free market roads and canals until the government decided to use force to provide services. You can't compete against the mafia because they use force and you certainly can't compete against the federal government that has unlimited force. The irony of free market economics is the fact government can expand by being a vampire on the free market because of their monopoly of violence.

It wasn't big government that created a situation where the United States surpassed the British Empire in GDP by 1890. It was big government and foreign military intervention that caused the fall of the British Empire.