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Does anyone like Obama??? why? or why not?
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digimon7068
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he had a huge bag of shit to pick up and carry, the day that he walked into the oval office...whether or not he's done a good job carrying it, probably won't be noticeable for a number of years...it's like being an artist...no one really appreciates you until you're dead.
one thing's for damn sure...extending unemployment benefits for 3 fucking years didn't do anyone any good.
one thing's for damn sure...extending unemployment benefits for 3 fucking years didn't do anyone any good.
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the economy is bad everywhere...and (imho) the (artificially inflated) unemployment statistics and their effect on consumer confidence is one of the worst culprits.
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Speaking as someone who spent 18 months unemployed (til last August) I respectfully disagree. I would have been on the street in half that time w/o Fed extensions.
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you're educated and experienced...you couldn't find a job anywhere? even if you had to move?? i've had to work out of town a lot lately. my pops worked out of town for years when i was in middle school and high school...it's just the way things are/were.
that said, i have a bunch of manufacturing clients that haven't been fully staffed since 2008...can't get people to come back to work and stay there.
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gatemoney
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They said the same shit about bush, it's so redundant and everyone is lying.
When they're not flat out lying they are exquisitely skating around the answer. so how are you supposed to make an informed decision?
It's based on deception half truths manipulation and circumvention... how can this interest you?
It's not " the truth" it's what they can make you believe.
Advertising and politics are not that much different...
Fat free= loaded with sugar
Sugar free= loaded with fat
"All natural" "real"
I really believe politicians to advertising on the side.
digimon7068
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*do
Lololololol
I like Maureen Dowd, and I'm guilty of doing this exact same thing so its kinda sad reading her try to explain bizarre behavior any way she knows how...she projects her good qualities and what might be her intentions and assigns others good qualities and what might be their good intentions to him and does everything she can to rationalize his behavior.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/o...l=1&adxnnlx=1344438059-0ds20/A5hQEgc+wkqHL26w
BTW - reading that you might think he's an introvert but no. I'd put money that he was ENTP.
No. I don't really care that much for him but I'm talking more about him on a personal level from what I've gathered about him.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/o...l=1&adxnnlx=1344438059-0ds20/A5hQEgc+wkqHL26w
BTW - reading that you might think he's an introvert but no. I'd put money that he was ENTP.
No. I don't really care that much for him but I'm talking more about him on a personal level from what I've gathered about him.
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Can i lose election?
canadianhitman
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He's a fucktard that should have his head stomped flat.
I did have to move. That's why I'm not in L.A. any longer.
My number one complaint is that he spent more than all US presidents before him combined and yet we have nothing to show for it. Now he wants to spend trillions more that we don't have on this health care thing and he accomplished passing that by doing it behind closed doors and purposefully at the exact time when no one could have a word on it. As far as the rest of his policies, maybe he's doing his best but he just sucks at it. He's more of a celebrity than a president to me. Not only that but he's said nothing to black panther party about all the crazy racist shit theyve done since he's been in office. I feel he's definitely divided the country a lot based on playing the race card as his number one special weapon to make people like him. But that's just my opinion.
Your number complaint is then false...besides, I believe you mean he accumulated more debt than all other presidents, which is also false.
united states - Has President Obama accepted more debt than all previous US presidents combined? - Skeptics
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...omney-says-obama-has-racked-much-debt-almost/
As is true of all politicians - if you tell an untruth to people who want to believe you regardless, they won't bother to fact check it no matter how outlandish it is.
gatemoney
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Really?
What are you balloonhands now?
I noticed that but left it in cuz it was just a legitimate typo.
You know i can do better then that!
Wow.... Nice you dont know shit about American politics life.
Trillions on health care thing? Lol.... Just wow.
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digimon7068
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i expect more from you...don't let me down...
digimon7068
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that's what i'm talkin' about!!!!! you could have rode it for 3 years...but you didn't. i don't know how the hell anyone can afford to live in friggin' l.a. anyway.
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He's a spelling teacher.
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no...but i did win our district spelling bee like 3 years in a row...and i threw it the 4th time because i was starting to feel like a nerd...the word was "mosaic".
How have your small business taxes changed under Obama?
Riding your bike to the coast is a bit more challenging now I bet...
I have never liked him from day one in the beginning he was a puppet for all the dems behind the scenes. But Obama care is freaking scary. Take some time to research the bill it's over 900 pages long and impossible to read and understand without an advanced degree in poky sci or a lawyer sitting over your shoulder.
I deal with the pharma biotech and hospital industry for my job and my fiancé is a dietician in a major hospital. From what I hear from my clients Obama care will wreck the well established health care industry and cut hospital spending. Hospitals will lose quality docs who the hospitals can no longer pay enough to keep because they have to pay so much liability insurance.
I'm not a fan of major insurance either I don't think anyone is heck rhode island is twenty mins from me and that is the head quarters of blue cross blue shield a major insurance carrier who is a "non profit" but managed to give their CEO a 11 million dollar Ogden handshake to leave.
Small government flat tax less handouts that's my .02
I deal with the pharma biotech and hospital industry for my job and my fiancé is a dietician in a major hospital. From what I hear from my clients Obama care will wreck the well established health care industry and cut hospital spending. Hospitals will lose quality docs who the hospitals can no longer pay enough to keep because they have to pay so much liability insurance.
I'm not a fan of major insurance either I don't think anyone is heck rhode island is twenty mins from me and that is the head quarters of blue cross blue shield a major insurance carrier who is a "non profit" but managed to give their CEO a 11 million dollar Ogden handshake to leave.
Small government flat tax less handouts that's my .02
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uhhhhhh, well, there's the whole "penalty tax" if you don't pay at least 50% of your employee's health insurance premiums (obamacare)...unless you're walmart or pepsi or mcdonalds or, etc...they demanded to be exempt and their demands were granted...nice "help the middle class" move, yes???
and, he's tried unsuccessfully, on three different occassions to require S corporation shareholders to be taxed the same as partners in a partnership (i.e., all income would be automatically subject to self-employment ie, social security tax) and all s corporations by definition are "small businesses".
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And these are things that have already affected the bottom line of the small business owner, to whom I was responding, in the last three years? He made it sound like Obama had already almost killed his business.
Dude, obama doesnt like small business/entrepreneurs and hes proving it through punitive tax policy. Accept it already
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i'm not sure what his end game is...but, saddling small businesses with an incredibly expensive healthcare policy and exempting the big businesses from it is just a complete fucking head-scratcher...i don't get it...walmart can afford to pay...and the additional cost?? fuck, they'll just increase their prices a little bit and pass it on to you and me...i'm at a complete loss for any sort of logical explanation.
plus, wallyworld (and other corporate giants) employ a shitload of (lower-middle income) people, whose lives would be impacted in a positive fashion by the healthcare bill...but, they get to walk? it's fucking ponderous man. unless, walmart has good lobbyists and makes big campaign contributions to the dems??? that's the only explanation that makes any sense. it's fucked...but, it makes sense.
it's your party deeb's...please...enlighten me???
dallasboy
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Have people not figured out what the democrats game plan in by now? It's all about the votes for massive power for the elitist left. Here's how:
1. Class warfare.
2. Racism.
3. Decades long circle jerks with unions. This is basically criminal racketeering. And the reason towns are filing bankruptcy.
4. Illegal immigration.
5. No voter ID.
6. Guberment handouts buying votes. The dems take and demonize the productive, give it to the unproductive for votes.
The plan has been in place since Woodrow Wilson (our first socialist prez) and FDR really cranked it up.
1. Class warfare.
2. Racism.
3. Decades long circle jerks with unions. This is basically criminal racketeering. And the reason towns are filing bankruptcy.
4. Illegal immigration.
5. No voter ID.
6. Guberment handouts buying votes. The dems take and demonize the productive, give it to the unproductive for votes.
The plan has been in place since Woodrow Wilson (our first socialist prez) and FDR really cranked it up.
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i'll bet most of the people that work at walmart vote...but maybe most of them aren't smart enough to realize that their president let their employer skip on a bill that would have significantly improved their lives???
You must not support yourself
I couldnt justify actuallly formulating an intelligent response to his post bro.
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Automatic taxes come out of my credit card machines instead of letting me pay my taxes quarterly with a check so I got the governments ass attached to my hard earned money about as soon as I get it thats probly my least favorite CHANGE so if my bank accounts get low do to business being off which it is because of curioua George in DC. If I need to pay my bills or if the account is low they swipe my damn money and don't let me manage my own cash flow! F#ck that man also trying to make small business pay for employees insurance lmao I'll fire everybody first and hire contractors way to create jobs democrats
So how do you get to work everyday?
I bet by roads....paid for by the government. You use it Fucking pay your Fucking way and stop complaining.
You take a SBL? Government funded.
Tax write offs? Government funded
Business protected by fire and police? Government funded.
Way to overlook the obvious
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No, not until the fundamentals of our monetary system are revealed to everyone and why it's bullshit to make money out of thin air...nothing will change till then. The boys running the show thought they could keep dollars in cyberspace therefore never have to pay the piper, ie print more money which slowly devaluates it. Only 3% of the american money supply actually exists as hard currency, that is all you ever need to know. But it was fun for alot of people while it lasted, money literally did grow on trees and people actually did shit money straight out of their assholes....good times.
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oh you mean "food"...actual "food".
javaguru
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Everything you've mentioned could be done more cheaply and efficiently by the private sector.
Tax write offs as government expenditure? Way to use Barry talking points because based on that logic we're all serfs because the government owns all of our labor and our benevolent masters allows us to keep some of the fruits of our labor; It's ironic coming from someone that is half black (Barry).
Technically, the interstate highway system was paid for incrementally by federal taxes on gas, a form of user fee; Trucking companies pay for the roads. You don't need a parasitic government to act as an intermediary for things the free market will solve. The Great Northern railway was 100% privately funded and the fastest and most efficient route to the west coast because it was built by a free market and not government.
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No offense, but the data are clear that extending unemployment benefits extends unemployment. If you knew that if you lost your job you would be on the street within a month then you would have changed your behavior. As a rational person, you would have saved more and spent less. I live in that world, I live without a safety net, if I don't work then I don't get paid and I can't collect unemployment. I have six months of living expenses in reserve but thanks to the fed monetary policy I'm losing money by being responsible. My money markets aren't even close to compensating for real inflation thanks to the fed trying to create the next bubble with their open market operations.
Read Henry Hazlitts "Economics in One Lesson" it may be free online at mises.org
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You're an idiot when it comes to things like this. About as emotional as a 12 year old girl saying her parents are ruining her life by making her do yard work when she wants to go be with her friends.
I'm def not voting for him, but i dont dislike him as a person. I just dont prefer his politics
No offense, but STFU. You assume facts not in evidence. You assume I was living comfortably on unemployment. The fact is my monthly benefits (even pre-tax) were still $700 short of what I needed just to cover expenses, and my credit card was < $3,000. I saved as much as I could and did as much as I could to find a job, including moving 2,000 miles to accept the first one offered. Sometimes thing go wrong even when people do everything right.
Dont even offer the dude any explanation. He isnt owed anything. Java is a hypocrite of mammoth proportions.
digimon7068
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actually, i thought his points were quite valid...no one wants to pay taxes, but everyone wants roads, schools, police departments, fire departments...and when they flush their toilet, they want their shit to disappear...magic isn't making all those things happen...
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Why doesn't the free market build high speed rail then? Why do they want the govt to build it when they can do it cheaper and more efficiently?
Obviously because its cheaper to have the tax payers pay for it then "privatize" it.
People dont realize that all these "free market" republicans want to only privatize the profitable shit and publicize the rest.... Then say how gubment is expensive and cant do shit right.
Then they tell the people they want to work for the gumbent and to vote for them.
Congress all get socialized government healthcare. Only a few have opted out.
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well...uhhh...one of the purposes of government is to provide that stuff that is necessary but not profitable, yes?? if something is profitable, the government doesn't need to provide it...there are plenty of people out there competing for your business.
Government has to be profitable too. Or it withers. Profit = sustainability.
IE: Nationalizing natural resources good idea. And proven to work.
Nationalizing housing market...Bad idea.
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Goverment withering? Thats laughable. The gooberment is as massive and bloated as its ever been. Government does not have to be profitable. It derives its revenues involuntarily. They get theirs whether its efficient, profitable, or not.
Name a government program or agency thats shutdown because its just not efficient?
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html
Name a government program or agency thats shutdown because its just not efficient?
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html
I voted for obama because he's black.
LOL @ using a Right-wing site to prove your point. Pretty week bro.
Read that chart again. It relates Spending to % of GDP and not actual spending overall. And what do you think happens in a recession? GDP drops.
This Graph is from a legitimate agency, And from an article from the Business Journal
Furthermore. Government agencies downsize all the time. Remember BRAC?
The only government agency that doesn't downsize are Congress
Also Revenues are not derived involuntarily. It is derived from people that actually work. No people working = no revenue.
Jobs shipped over seas and Tax breaks for companies that ship the jobs overseas = limited revenue. = Government getting crippled. = shitty ecomony = America failing as a nation.
It's not that complicated.
America was the biggest importer of raw material and largest manufacturer for 100+ years.
Now it's the biggest exporters of raw material and one of the lowest goods producers.
That equals us being a lowly mine for the rest of the world. And we know what happens to mines once they are stripped clean.
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javaguru
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The United States leads the world in manufacturing output.
The US does employ many less in manufacturing thanks to efficiencies but that's a good thing.
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Never taken a dime in unemployment insurance even when I was an unemployed W-2.
What is my hypocrisy?
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javaguru
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The free market doesn't build high speed rail because it isn't profitable; not enough demand for the sink in capital plus regulation costs. It's the politicians and those companies that benefit from government subsidies that want high speed rail. Politicians and politically connected businesses aren't a free market, it's fascism, a free market is non-coercive and requires producing something people want to purchase. Amtrak was predicted to be profitable within three years of its inception yet still remains massively subsidized by government. It's much cheaper to fly to your destination than take a train.
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Indeed, that does happen. Before social welfare programs mutual aid societies existed and they were community based. To a bureaucrat in DC or your state capitol you are just another number. The mutual aid societies were community based organizations that one could pay a small monthly fee, like insurance, and when you fell on hard times,like unemployment, they would provide you money to take care of your needs until you got back on your feet. The advantage of the mutual aid society is the fact they were community based and knew the difference between someone in need and someone that needed a boot in the ass; Central planners can't do that because everyone is just a number in the system.
Also, in 2011 the employer tax rates for providing an unemployment entitlement were raised to 6%, not to mention medicare and social security taxes of 6.5%. As someone that was forced to take on the task of interviewing new technical hires, with those kinds of costs, you don't hire people you may have hired otherwise.
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You're not credible. No one believes anything you say.
I think Obama is a likable person, as I feel about most presidents. He's more liberal than I am but my discomfort with the Conservative-religious wingnut relationship will likely result in me voting for him again.
Given a choice between a moderate Republican (Reagan) and a moderate Democrat I'd vote Republican. Given a choice between a conservative Republican (Gingrich) and a liberal Democrat I'd vote Democrat. While I feel liberals (Barney Frank) may be bad politicians I think Conservatives (Todd Akin) tend to be bat shit crazy.
Given a choice between a moderate Republican (Reagan) and a moderate Democrat I'd vote Republican. Given a choice between a conservative Republican (Gingrich) and a liberal Democrat I'd vote Democrat. While I feel liberals (Barney Frank) may be bad politicians I think Conservatives (Todd Akin) tend to be bat shit crazy.
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dallasboy
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You want to fix offshoring? Tame the unions and guberment regulations....that's the problem and quit blaming rich or tax breaks etc. if you can make a product cheaper whether in the US or India, you do that. It's called free enterprise and capitalism. Which is what made our Country great!
This isn't making any sense to me.
Union membership is @ 9% . When we were at an economic power it was at 40%
What regulations?
What made our country great was our superior educational system. And Americans building shit.
Not just the bankers and Wallstreet folks.
Dallasboy is excellent at reciting talking points. Ditto, ditto, ditto,
I gave all my fucks yesterday, none left to give now.
Yes, we should reduce our wages and regulations to compete with India and The Philippines. If there's one thing that will get our country back on track it's 70% of the population earning $1/hour.
Retard.
Anyway, Mitt Romney seems like the embodiment of an increasingly heterogeneous and self-doubting GOP. The Tea Party still holds the ideological banner of renouncing anything related to common sense. The insanity extends through the GOP to an economic policy that refuses to raise any revenues to close the abyssal gap, more amazingly proposing to further cut taxes, especially on the super-rich, which would inevitably spiral deficit out of control. Obama, on the other hand, is as close to a conservative as they come. Mitt Romney's flip-flopping is the personification of a party controlled by lunatics attempting to sway public opinion without ever actually taking a stance.
Prediction: Obama wins tight and America will have 4 more years of modest interventionism and pragmatism. Hopefully the GOP loses the house, so both that and the senate are filled with common sense conservatives. Jobs initiatives are passed, the Bush tax cuts for the top earners expire, the unemployment rate gets down to below 6%, and in turn we watch that deficit go bye-bye.
Prediction: Obama wins tight and America will have 4 more years of modest interventionism and pragmatism. Hopefully the GOP loses the house, so both that and the senate are filled with common sense conservatives. Jobs initiatives are passed, the Bush tax cuts for the top earners expire, the unemployment rate gets down to below 6%, and in turn we watch that deficit go bye-bye.
digimon7068
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street lights, fire hydrants, police forces, fire departments, etc...none of them turn a profit...all of them are necessary.
This. The government isnt a business and shouldnt be run like one. Do we get upset that the military doesnt make a profit? Certain things are/should be there for the greater good without respect to whether or not it makes a profit...things that we all need (eg police, healthcare, military, etc).
Paid for by Taxes bro. But tax must exceed cost of said items or they arent upkept.
Taxes must be enough to operate and maintain, and pay for surveying of where new ones should be put or taken away. Ect ect.
There has to be $ in the coffers. Only way to do that is turn a profit and be frugal.
National parks would be a better example IMO bro.
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oh...i see what you're saying...then, yes...i agree...the federal, state and local tax dollars must meet or exceed the costs...true. i guess i was saying that no "for-profit" entity is going to come along and compete with the goverment to run the traffic lights, etc.
digimon7068
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i'm on the board of the local municipal authority...we are trying to turn the municipal authority into a self-sustaining enterprise fund.
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omg...could you have picked two that are more crazy??
akin is retarded...actually, that's offensive to retards...strike that comment from the records.
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honestly...i think john mccain got far along in his campaign, realized that he REALLY DIDN'T want the job, thought "wtf am i gonna do now??", looked around for a running mate that would make him unelectable, picked sarah palin...i'm kinda not joking...it's the only logical explanation for picking that fucking knucklehead.
I also get a kick out of how quickly Republicans abandoned this guy when the reality is many (most?) of them agree with his basic premise, you don't get pregnant from rape, just not how he said it. If you believe something then own it; don't hide because it's going to cost you votes.
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