Does anyone else miss being patriotic???

[musclebrains]

MuscleBrains

The point was that if the GDP outgrows the deficit, it is (long term) OK. Not suer if I agree, and not sure if I want to get into a situation where the "turnaround point" puts us $20T in the hole.

Also, almost half the deficit is money owed to Social Security. This is in accordance with an old law and not a bad thing. The SS surplus must be used to buy Treasury notes.

Last thing is - the "tax cut for the rich" is a class warfare misnomer. The existing tax code is a middle class subsidy. Forget the graduated scale. Rich people have very few deductions that the middle class makes extensive use of.

I understand your pt. about the GDP. Even Krugman, as liberal as you get, acknowledges that. The point is that, even before the Iraq expenses were finally proposed, the difference in GDP and the deficit was predicted to be reduced from about 4.5 to 1 percent because of the tax cuts, SS nothwithstanding. That is too close for any reasonable person's comfort.

Your calling the existing tax code "a middle class subsidy" is a misnomer of class warfare.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I understand your pt. about the GDP. Even Krugman, as liberal as you get, acknowledges that. The point is that, even before the Iraq expenses were finally proposed, the difference in GDP and the deficit was predicted to be reduced from about 4.5 to 1 percent because of the tax cuts, SS nothwithstanding. That is too close for any reasonable person's comfort.

Your calling the existing tax code "a middle class subsidy" is a misnomer of class warfare.

I'm not entirely comfortable with the GDP/deficit reasoning either.

The refrain "this tax cut is for the rich" is misguided class warfare. The reality of the tax code is that very high income earners are unable to count tax deductions that benefit the middle class.

 

[spongebob]

Uh, no. I don't believe disputing the Bush Administration amounts to "talking down America's value."

Of course this has been exactly the tactic conservatives have taken lately. If you didn't support the Iraq invasion you were anti-American. Now, if you notice the absence of WMD, you are anti-democracy, since its establishment has become the revised agenda in Iraq.

Nor do I believe advocating the good points of American life amounts to supporting the current administration.

But I did enjoy the irony of being treated like a flag-waving American.

oh i know you dont, nor do i. im speaking generally as to americans attitude. and more about the flag than any particular admin.

if those spaniards only knew musclebrains.

 

[Testosterone boy]

if those spaniards only knew musclebrains.

Maybe they do. He could have been nekkid you know.

 

[Ashamed]

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/cnn___contains_no_news.html

"Our enemy is not terror, it is not Islam, it is not the radical suicide bomber, it is the threat to our society that ignorance poses to our nation. America has become a nation of misinformed radical flag wavers who do not even understand what they are supporting when they flaunt their patriotism. We are taught that democracy means that we all get to sing the national anthem before every sports even but we do not realize that without a free press we have no democracy."

 

[Frackal]

American Patriotism means fighting for the ideals set by our forefathers, not championing a bloated and out of control federal government.

 

[Ashamed]

I actually feel a bit of hope reading some of the opinions on here... I think there has been a real awakening amongst many thinking people since 9/11...

PS: hope no-one thinks I spend all my time knocking the USA, I also knock my own countries wrongdoings.

 

[Frackal]

What is going on with Blair's govt over there? Are you guys getting pretty insulted by the blatant lack of WMDs

 

[Ashamed]

Blair is in the spotlight daily for the lack of WMD. Blair is also in the spotlight over the Dr Kelly affair... the media is going in for the kill.... he's at his lowest popularity ever... his wife has also come in the public eye for her long term use of a 'lifestyle coach'....

No one is predicting his re-election, but in true Blair stylee he is still standing for the next one....

 

[Frackal]

I wonder what we had on Blair

Also - Dr Kelly... the 'suicided' scientist right...whats the story on that IYO