Does anyone do short cycles with good results?

[sk*]

All vehement arguments for long cycles are worthless?

Wow.

3 week cycles are the way to go?

I wonder if you would pinpoint for me the actual change in risk from say, ten weeks of test versus three weeks of test, and then plot that argument against the difference in gains.

I can see that certain steroids would be bad candidates for long cycles, yes. But how about constructing an argument for a three week oxandrolone cycle versus a twelve week oxandrolone cycle, with data to back up the position?

Three week cycles with two month breaks, I assume? Because a three week break is not a break, it's a pause, and continuing another three week cycle just twenty one days later is actually continuing the same cycle, only inefficiently.

So that gives you twelve weeks on, nine months off.

Why do a cycle at all?

That is indeed the question. Why cycle for three weeks at all? What exactly are you enhancing in three weeks?

Now, about those foolish vehement arguments for longer cycles:

First off, your joints and tendons have time to acclimate to your newfound strength.

Secondly, you don't have to immediately double calories in order to see gains.

Thirdly, your strength and endurance increase at a rate that enables you to train longer, harder, and with heavier weights, without risking injury.

All this is foolishness?

Methinks not.

Good post.

-sk

 

[sk*]

it is a fact

It isn't fact.

-sk

 

[descanting]

Cool, I was gonna start a new thread, but since you're here Nelson!!;p

I'm designing a short from guidelines in BLB.. You had group tab with injectable in order to complement their effect on and against progesterone. Deca/Win, and Primo/Dbol. But you didn't associate any with Sus. So this is my question: Is Sus an option and to which oral should I match it. And, does Dbol have the same progesterone fithing properties as Winstrol?

Thanks in advance for any info provided! If you have any combos you recommend at the current time, please feel free.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It isn't fact.

-sk

Yes it is. You just don't want to accept it as such.

discanting. When using sus, anavar makes the perfect tab complement.

D-bol does not e the anti prog effects of winstrol. But read a little deeper into the book. I do not recommend Deca.

 

[sk*]

Yes it is. You just don't want to accept it as such.

Not really, but I do know you are using your other aliases again.

-sk

 

[descanting]

you're right, I was gonna say since Deca is out of the equation, and Sus is popular around here... Var.. hmm, not cheap...

 

[DaddyX]

on 3-4 wk cycles gains may come slowly but they stay- that is not hypothetical or an opinion, it is a fact- ask anyone who has done it.

then why didnt i keep mine ? 3-4 weekers blow IMO. done 2 and will never do them again. i have a much easier time keeping my gains from longer cycles, 8+ weeks then short cycles. thats not even close to a fact

 

[argent]

Where is Realgains. He had a whole thing on short cycles a year or two ago. Do a search on him and it should come up. He was doing 2 weekers with higher than average dosages of short esters or suspensions.

 

[Riker29]

Its funny to watch these discussions degenerate into personal attacks. How about commenting on the INFORMATION guys, and not PEOPLE?

Several things stand out here:

I think there are a lot of people commenting based what they "think" they know. Not from personal experience, not from having done long and short cycles and being able to really discuss the merits of each, but from "assuming" based on what they THINK they know.


Unless you have

- done BOTH long and short cycles (for comparison) or
- have done short cycles (to discuss how they work, on their own)
- or you know (DIRECTLY know, NOT quoting other 'net dudes) people who have done them,

then frankly your opinion does not carry much weight.

(But everyone is an expert whilst behind a keyboard. And they have huge balls too as long as they are swinging under a desk. But I digress ....)


A lot of guys are also stating "did short cycles and lost my gains". Ok, sure, maybe you did, but really - many many guys lose their gains from longer cycles as well. They may have MORE gains, and take LONGER to lose them, but the point is that they still are lost. So please, before you state "did a short cycle and lost the gains" and state that as PROOF of anything, please ALSO discuss your success with LONG cycles, and how you were able to (proportionally) keep THOSE gains for a long long time.

Same problem goes for diet as well. I think many guys expect AS to be magic and they blame the gear or the cycle design for their lack of progress, when in fact they don’t know how to train, or eat, or don’t rest, or they party, and then they blame it on "bad gear" or "bad cycle".



And before anyone gets pissy or defensive, I am NOT attacking anyone or singling anyone out - ok? So please, lets not have an individuals get anything less then helpful thinking that I am somehow "challenging" them. Relax.

Its all about learning.

 

[Raging]

I've only done a few cycles, but i have done one of enanthante for 50 days (one 200 mg shot every five days) and i gained five pounds. i also just finished a sust cycle of four weeks, i used 500-750 a week (can't remember exact number now, alas, school work has wrecked my memory and brain) and i went from 190 to 215. granted, some of that is fat, but i plan on trying to gain another ten pounds of muscle and fat in the next few months naturally, and then kicking in some fina and test to cut. just from my experience, i'd think short and long cycles have benefits, and it would be foolish to ever deem one statement as absolutely, and irresolutely true. later