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Does a stack even exist?!

Smokescreen

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Is there a stack that maintains OR builds muscle, burns or keeps fat and water off (or low) AND does NOT mess with mood and libido?

Tren does all of this for me but destroys my sleep, mood and libido. I don't want that.

Test Prop and Proviron keeps my mood and libido up. But because I'm taking Test I do carry fat and water. Adding masteron seems to (from what I've been experiencing) somewhat decrease my libido.

Any stack that does what I mentioned above? Or does it not even exist?



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I am with you on the mood and libido issues on Tren and water retention on Test. I have often heard great things out of Primo however it is the most counterfeited steroid on the market so I never have dealt with it. Im sure others that have used it will chime in however I plan on doing a 20 week Test/ Primo cycle at some point;
 
Smokescreen said:
Is there a stack that maintains OR builds muscle, burns or keeps fat and water off (or low) AND does NOT mess with mood and libido?

Tren does all of this for me but destroys my sleep, mood and libido. I don't want that.

Test Prop and Proviron keeps my mood and libido up. But because I'm taking Test I do carry fat and water. Adding masteron seems to (from what I've been experiencing) somewhat decrease my libido.

Any stack that does what I mentioned above? Or does it not even exist?



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Not that I know of other than

DIET/FOOD/SLEEP
 
Hmm maybe test with a lower dose of beastdrol like 20mg/day? I recently did that stact (along with arimidex, hcg, and some dostinex) and had no loss of libido (was actually quite strong) and mood was not messed with. And of course had the other positives you were looking for.
 
Arabian said:
I am with you on the mood and libido issues on Tren and water retention on Test. I have often heard great things out of Primo however it is the most counterfeited steroid on the market so I never have dealt with it. Im sure others that have used it will chime in however I plan on doing a 20 week Test/ Primo cycle at some point;
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yep, low dose test high dose primo will dice you up without the unwanted sides...I'm running a low dose test with tren/primo/mast and getting shredded
 
my current cycle (contest prep);

100mg prop ED
200mg primo ED
100mg mast ED
15mg stane ED
2x50mcg T3 ED
6x6mg albuterol ED
8iu HGH ED

getting big and shredded like never before in my life. veins popping out everywhere and i'm starting to see definition on my glutes which i never could be4
libido is also through the roof
water retention is zero
 
igomad said:
my current cycle (contest prep);

100mg prop ED
200mg primo ED
100mg mast ED
15mg stane ED
2x50mcg T3 ED
6x6mg albuterol ED
8iu HGH ED

getting big and shredded like never before in my life. veins popping out everywhere and i'm starting to see definition on my glutes which i never could be4
libido is also through the roof
water retention is zero
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damn thats a lot of primo bro lol...

heres what i'm running, sex drive is shit but getting same results

Test E 350mg/week
Primo E 600mg/week
Mast p 700mg/week
Tren A 350mg/week
Proviron 75mg/ed
var 60mg/ed....just finishing up the var
 
I think you can get about 300 different answers form different people on this board.

You gotta find out what works for you.

For myself its a combo of a low/decent amount of test and a tiny amount of an anti estrogren

test/forma
test/epistane

both work great. I can cut/bulk and my mood/libido is fine if not slightly elevated. I wont stay on epistane long but it is a nice addition.

Im in this for the long haul so Ive spent a lot of time messing around with low dose safe effective cycles that I like and wont mess me up.

Good Luck
 
i just think people take too much stuff or dose stuff too high.. then you feel like crap or get bloated.. or then you need a ton of ancillary drugs to help.. but they come w/ sides.. and its just a viscous cycle.

low dosages of the safer/mild compounds combined with intense training and a strict no BS diet and you will be happy, feel great and still look better then 99% of the people out there..
 
Yes, I was able to accomplish going from 210 at around 14% bodyfat to today's current stats of 255lbs at around 11-12% bodyfat. The stack is...


  • T3 50mcg (more or less depending on goals)
  • Oral kickstart which can be Dbol (bloat will go away later) or Beastdrol (superdrol) 4-6 weeks.
  • Test (shorter the ester, the less bloat you will have and the faster it will work. Out of laziness, I am using enanthate). Did 900mg first 5 or 6 weeks, then lowered it to 600 and then down to 450. Still big and feeling better on less test.
  • Tren Ace at 100mg ED. You can do 100mg EOD or 50mg ED if you're not as experienced.
  • Equipoise 600mg EW (if you are good with Primo and can get it legit and don't lose hair then substitute EQ for Primo. Primo Ace is preferable but hard to get).
  • Letrozole 2.5mg EOD. Cabergoline .5 EOD.
  • HGH 10ius ED. Worked my way up from 5, then to 7.5, now to 10. HGH has to be good. Started with bad quality. Now I am on good stuff and notice a complete difference. Split AM and PM.
  • HCG 250 x 2 a week, give a few weeks break here and there.
  • Eat good, try to stay clean but having a few dirty meals heree and there will just help you put on size.
  • Live in the gym. Lift weights 6x a week if possible. The stuff you're on should put you in beast mode. Only take extra days off if you feel your nervous system needs a rest or you are run down.
What works for me may not work exactly for you but the results don't lie and I do not have 1 side affect other than being so sleepy from the tren and hgh and my hands being numb from hgh. Also I wake up covered in sweat. Libido is great. I can sleep all night and all day. Mood is good. Appetite is great. Losing bodyfat while gaining mass. How long do you run all this for? That is up to you. The longer you run it, the better the gains. But you have to be careful of blood work and also that you will be able to recover. But if you are on HRT or if you use enough HCG you should be fine. Please note that the letrozole is only needed if you are gyno prone. Cabergoline at that dose and HGH at even 5ius a day basically eradicated ALL the trenbolone sides I usually get. Truly amazing.

There it is! The truth! Hope this helps.
 
ConanX said:
Yes, I was able to accomplish going from 210 at around 14% bodyfat to today's current stats of 255lbs at around 11-12% bodyfat. The stack is...


  • T3 50mcg (more or less depending on goals)
  • Oral kickstart which can be Dbol (bloat will go away later) or Beastdrol (superdrol) 4-6 weeks.
  • Test (shorter the ester, the less bloat you will have and the faster it will work. Out of laziness, I am using enanthate). Did 900mg first 5 or 6 weeks, then lowered it to 600 and then down to 450. Still big and feeling better on less test.
  • Tren Ace at 100mg ED. You can do 100mg EOD or 50mg ED if you're not as experienced.
  • Equipoise 600mg EW (if you are good with Primo and can get it legit and don't lose hair then substitute EQ for Primo. Primo Ace is preferable but hard to get).
  • Letrozole 2.5mg EOD. Cabergoline .5 EOD.
  • HGH 10ius ED. Worked my way up from 5, then to 7.5, now to 10. HGH has to be good. Started with bad quality. Now I am on good stuff and notice a complete difference. Split AM and PM.
  • HCG 250 x 2 a week, give a few weeks break here and there.
  • Eat good, try to stay clean but having a few dirty meals heree and there will just help you put on size.
  • Live in the gym. Lift weights 6x a week if possible. The stuff you're on should put you in beast mode. Only take extra days off if you feel your nervous system needs a rest or you are run down.
What works for me may not work exactly for you but the results don't lie and I do not have 1 side affect other than being so sleepy from the tren and hgh and my hands being numb from hgh. Also I wake up covered in sweat. Libido is great. I can sleep all night and all day. Mood is good. Appetite is great. Losing bodyfat while gaining mass. How long do you run all this for? That is up to you. The longer you run it, the better the gains. But you have to be careful of blood work and also that you will be able to recover. But if you are on HRT or if you use enough HCG you should be fine. Please note that the letrozole is only needed if you are gyno prone. Cabergoline at that dose and HGH at even 5ius a day basically eradicated ALL the trenbolone sides I usually get. Truly amazing.

There it is! The truth! Hope this helps.
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that's an amazing transformation, juice or not....nice work bro holy shit
 
Caber never did shit for me other than want to sleep often or just be a lazy unproductive piece of shit. Lol.

Too bad I can't take Tren. It makes me want to kill anyone that says or does one slight dumb shit.

And yes....hgh is the shiznit. I was on that for over 5 years at one point when I was able to afford it. Helps in mood, sleep, memory, libido and keeping fat off.

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Smokescreen said:
Caber never did shit for me other than want to sleep often or just be a lazy unproductive piece of shit. Lol.

Too bad I can't take Tren. It makes me want to kill anyone that says or does one slight dumb shit.

And yes....hgh is the shiznit. I was on that for over 5 years at one point when I was able to afford it. Helps in mood, sleep, memory, libido and keeping fat off.

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If tren and you really don't mix, then...maybe a higher dose of Primo like 900mg EW and run Anavar 80-100mg ED. Should be tren-like gains with maybe even higher quality muscle and less sides? I find Anavar is like mini tren :) but only above 60mg.
 
Primo is stupid expensive and heavily faked. Anavar at that dose isn't cheap neither. Besides....wouldn't anavar kill libido?

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Smokescreen said:
Primo is stupid expensive and heavily faked. Anavar at that dose isn't cheap neither. Besides....wouldn't anavar kill libido?

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Please dont believe that primo willnt shut you down. Ive done primo because it's my favorite but i did suffer from libido issue.
 
Smokescreen said:
Primo is stupid expensive and heavily faked. Anavar at that dose isn't cheap neither. Besides....wouldn't anavar kill libido?

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You would hope the Test and HCG and HGH and Cabergoline (yes you can take it even without using a nandrolone) would make up for the libido issues you could experience with EQ, Primo, Anavar, or any AAS for that matter. If not, then you just have to stick to Test and maybe some Dbol and Proviron. Or buy some Cialis and get busy lol.
 
guys every AAS will suppress you. its a question if you are running the proper ancillaries or not.

and if you have poor heart health and are taking every drug under the sun then every AAS will make you feel like shit.

don't buy into the media BS, if you aren't sure if you have the proper supps and ancillaries on hand then ASK. put up a thread or PM a vet/mod. don't just run a cycle blindly then bitch that you are 'shutdown' (which is not what is happening anyway) or that you feel like shit on cycle.

with the supplements we have today NOBODY should ever have a problem with their libido or have any problem come out.. keep supps and ancillaries on hand always and have them PRIOR to running your cycle.. don't run tren or deca then halfway through when you get gyno and your penis doesn't work come on here and ask where to get caber or an AI!!!

and don't give me that bullshit that you can't afford to buy them when you just blew hundreds on juice. either run your cycle correctly or keep saving up money till you can run it correctly. don't run a cycle and gamble.. this isn't the blackjack table, you can really fuck yourself up here even permanently
 
ConanX said:
You would hope the Test and HCG and HGH and Cabergoline (yes you can take it even without using a nandrolone) would make up for the libido issues you could experience with EQ, Primo, Anavar, or any AAS for that matter. If not, then you just have to stick to Test and maybe some Dbol and Proviron. Or buy some Cialis and get busy lol.
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Its why I just use Test. Or Test/proviron. But damn...I just hate the bloat. But any other drug just doesn't let me feel so well.
 
Smokescreen said:
Is there a stack that maintains OR builds muscle, burns or keeps fat and water off (or low) AND does NOT mess with mood and libido?

Tren does all of this for me but destroys my sleep, mood and libido. I don't want that.

Test Prop and Proviron keeps my mood and libido up. But because I'm taking Test I do carry fat and water. Adding masteron seems to (from what I've been experiencing) somewhat decrease my libido.

Any stack that does what I mentioned above? Or does it not even exist?



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You shouldnt carry much fat or water if your diet is right
and your using an AI with the TEST PROP.
 
Last time I tried Bold was many many years ago. I don't recall the results.

Yes gym....I am using an adex. Still got bloat. I won't aromasin or letro. They make me feel nasty.

Primo and proviron seem sweeeeeeet! But! Primo is so expensive. And heavily faked.

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Think I"m going to trash my Test prop/Masteron Prop/Proviron stack and replace the masteron with anavar instead. Also...lower the Test prop dose from 100eod to 50eod. I'm currently taking 100mgs of the TP and MP EOD along with 100mgs of Proviron per day. And I must say I am quite fucking bloated! Bigger and stronger no doubt. But bloated! My diet is on point. I weightlift 5-6 days of the week in the evenings. And do a light cardio jog/bike in the mornings upon rising on a empty stomach. But yet! I still remain bloated. Especially in the abs region.

I have added adex to the stack but I'm not seeing much success. Last time I ran this stack I included winstrol. And I must admit that winstrol did keep the bloat down. Even in the gut region. But that shit made me feel fucking awful. So I gave it up.

Again...think I'm just going to drop the Test dose by half. Drop the Masteron (because I noticed it somewhat kills my Libido). Keep the proviron dose. And instead now add Anavar in lieu of masteron.

Thoughts????
 
weird thing bro. That much masteron and an AI should get you shredded in most cases. I use 100mg mast prop ED and some liquid stane along with 1g test prop and 1g primo per week and theres no water on me to speak of. Have you had your thyroid and adrenals checked? This could be the underlying cause of your water retention. And how's your sodium and water intake?
 
igomad said:
weird thing bro. That much masteron and an AI should get you shredded in most cases. I use 100mg mast prop ED and some liquid stane along with 1g test prop and 1g primo per week and theres no water on me to speak of. Have you had your thyroid and adrenals checked? This could be the underlying cause of your water retention. And how's your sodium and water intake?
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I'm on thyroid hormones. All is good there. Had adrenals checked out and doc said it was fine. Although I myself did not actually look at the paper work at that time. I've taken this Test/Mast stack so many different times now and never really noticed a damn difference. People say it minimizes bloat and increases libido like crazy. Yet for me when I take masteron all I notice is a bit of strength increase, elavated energy and aggression and slight muscle hardness. That's is! In fact I think it actually lowers my libido a bit.

The drug that does stack very well with test for me is winstrol. Taking winstrol with test and all the bloat is gone. I get hard. I get strong. Etc etc. However! It totally and completely kills all of my libido. And it makes sleeping a bit tough.

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There's gonna be pros and cons with every steroid bro, I'm not sure what you're looking for lol...in a perfect world they would make something cheap that gets you jacked with no sides that had no health repercussions. Lmk when you find it cause I'm all over it
 
Another thing I was thinking was to totally drop the testosterone. Just stick to HCG at a higher dose in lieu of Test. Since I am on HRT and do need to be taking HCG because I am shutdown hard. Balls are small too.

And then add back the proviron/var and maybe even masteron.

No????

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Smokescreen said:
Another thing I was thinking was to totally drop the testosterone. Just stick to HCG at a higher dose in lieu of Test. Since I am on HRT and do need to be taking HCG because I am shutdown hard. Balls are small too.

And then add back the proviron/var and maybe even masteron.

No????

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Proviron is worthless without test imo...idk why'd u drop test if youre on trt bro? Just run a trt dose of 150mg/week with some proviron and mast
 
gymjunkie09 said:
Proviron is worthless without test imo...idk why'd u drop test if youre on trt bro? Just run a trt dose of 150mg/week with some proviron and mast
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I was thinking of dropping the Test prop and "rely" on the HCG itself for test. Know what I mean? Or is this a bad idea?

I do take 1200ius per week. Anything less and my balls remain pretty small.

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Come to think about guys. After taking a better look at my physique, I'm not all that bloated. I mean...I have veins on my legs and arms. I do not have moon face. However! There's the gut. Its just round and big and sticks out. Like a gross beer belly. Lol

I was taking test cyp hrt dose and all was fine. Then began to take 100mgs E0D of Test prop and my gut blew the fuck up! Its all fat with water and gross fat and it jiggles. And it looks gross when I sit down. Lol

Is this an insulin sensitivity problem? I'm also on masteron and proviron. These two should help with this problem. But its not. :-(

Diet is good. Exercise is good. Don't know what gives. Perhaps my masteron dose is too low? Even then I really can't take much masteron. Shit decreases my urges for the other sex. Lol




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Smokescreen said:
Come to think about guys. After taking a better look at my physique, I'm not all that bloated. I mean...I have veins on my legs and arms. I do not have moon face. However! There's the gut. Its just round and big and sticks out. Like a gross beer belly. Lol

I was taking test cyp hrt dose and all was fine. Then began to take 100mgs E0D of Test prop and my gut blew the fuck up! Its all fat with water and gross fat and it jiggles. And it looks gross when I sit down. Lol

Is this an insulin sensitivity problem? I'm also on masteron and proviron. These two should help with this problem. But its not. :-(

Diet is good. Exercise is good. Don't know what gives. Perhaps my masteron dose is too low? Even then I really can't take much masteron. Shit decreases my urges for the other sex. Lol




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well maybe you just need to cut off a little fat?
 
igomad said:
my current cycle (contest prep);

100mg prop ED
200mg primo ED
100mg mast ED
15mg stane ED
2x50mcg T3 ED
6x6mg albuterol ED
8iu HGH ED

getting big and shredded like never before in my life. veins popping out everywhere and i'm starting to see definition on my glutes which i never could be4
libido is also through the roof
water retention is zero
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I presume you are in calorie deficit?
 
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