doc is gona try me on test enth,need your opinion

[freakazoid]

after a 9 month cycle of sust 250 e.o.d and deca 800mg a week for 16 weeks.then droped the sust and deca and went with tren 75mg eod and test prop 100mg eod for 16 weeks.the last 4 weeks i droped the tren and went to 50 mg a week on the prop.i stopped cold turkey no clomid,hcg,or even over the counter supplements.knowing that prop is a short acting steroid i figured about 2 weeks out my nat test scores should be verry low,so i make an appointment with the urologist tell him i had a hard time getting an erection and was verry irritable,felt tired all the time and it was causing some problems in my relationship.so he basicly tries to tell me that it was probably stress and at my age 30 he usually doesnt prescribe viagra,lol like i want viagra.i told him my wife is a nuke med tech witch she is, and that i had her ask one of the doctors what could be wrong and they told her i might have low testosterone,so he goes on and on about how he really doubts that was the problem but he would do the bloodwork if i wanted.of course i had it done and to my supprise 2 weeks post cycle my test level had already went to 291 ng/ml witch falls in the normal range of 241 ng/ml to somthing like 699 ng/ml .i ask him since i was on the low side of normal if that could be the problem and he said it could be but he wanted me to have more bloodwork and check prolactin and a couple other things i dont recall right off ,but all that came back in the normal range also.so after a couple phone calls trying to convince him to start me on hrt,he reluckantly tells me to stop by one day and get a shot,the only thing is if i have to stop by every couple weeks to get a shot thats not gona help me.i feel my test levels are already back in the upper range its been a month now since last shot,unless i can convince him to cut me loose an a script so i can save up thoese little vials for part of a good yearly cycle,then all i am gona do is be shutting down my nat test to replace it with just enough synthetic test to take me to where i am already at naturally.you guys think he is just calling me in there to try it,then if i tell him problem solved he will start prescribing it to me? i am thinking i will just play it out for a month or so and see what happens.you guys think it would be worth playing it out?

 

[WanderingClumsyFool]

after a 9 month cycle of sust 250 e.o.d and deca 800mg a week for 16 weeks.then droped the sust and deca and went with tren 75mg eod and test prop 100mg eod for 16 weeks.the last 4 weeks i droped the tren and went to 50 mg a week on the prop.i stopped cold turkey no clomid,hcg,or even over the counter supplements.knowing that prop is a short acting steroid i figured about 2 weeks out my nat test scores should be verry low,so i make an appointment with the urologist tell him i had a hard time getting an erection and was verry irritable,felt tired all the time and it was causing some problems in my relationship.so he basicly tries to tell me that it was probably stress and at my age 30 he usually doesnt prescribe viagra,lol like i want viagra.i told him my wife is a nuke med tech witch she is, and that i had her ask one of the doctors what could be wrong and they told her i might have low testosterone,so he goes on and on about how he really doubts that was the problem but he would do the bloodwork if i wanted.of course i had it done and to my supprise 2 weeks post cycle my test level had already went to 291 ng/ml witch falls in the normal range of 241 ng/ml to somthing like 699 ng/ml .i ask him since i was on the low side of normal if that could be the problem and he said it could be but he wanted me to have more bloodwork and check prolactin and a couple other things i dont recall right off ,but all that came back in the normal range also.so after a couple phone calls trying to convince him to start me on hrt,he reluckantly tells me to stop by one day and get a shot,the only thing is if i have to stop by every couple weeks to get a shot thats not gona help me.i feel my test levels are already back in the upper range its been a month now since last shot,unless i can convince him to cut me loose an a script so i can save up thoese little vials for part of a good yearly cycle,then all i am gona do is be shutting down my nat test to replace it with just enough synthetic test to take me to where i am already at naturally.you guys think he is just calling me in there to try it,then if i tell him problem solved he will start prescribing it to me? i am thinking i will just play it out for a month or so and see what happens.you guys think it would be worth playing it out?

 

[WanderingClumsyFool]

didn't mean to quote you there, typo.

291ng/dl testosterne is a miserable level of testosterone. You certaintly want your levels higher than that. The old fashioned reference range is 300-1200ng/dl. You want them atleast around 500ng/dl when your off the juice or the whole thing is miserable in my opinion. I would get the levels rechecked and then figure out what to do from there. Its possible your levels are still low.

One thing not to do is to go to the doctor and let him poke you with some rediculous amount of testosterone, that will just screw you up more. This guy doesn't even know how to administer proper HRT. You do about 80-100mg/week of cypionate or enanthate. That is the only way to keep the blood levels in the normal range and mimick high physiological levels (as opposed to pharmacological which means amounts that are higher than is natural) . Otherwise all you get is side effects and too much estrogen with nothing but wild and worthless swings of testosterone. You'll feel lousy.

As for getting a script and hoarding the stuff. I wouldn't do that. That's not right. Some poor guy wil come in with real hypogonadism and this doctor won't know how to treat him because of patients like you who screw up his understanding of the way this stuff works (I am sure he'll want periodicblood tests, etc.). Something to think about.

 

[freakazoid]

didn't mean to quote you there, typo.

291ng/dl testosterne is a miserable level of testosterone. You certaintly want your levels higher than that. The old fashioned reference range is 300-1200ng/dl. You want them atleast around 500ng/dl when your off the juice or the whole thing is miserable in my opinion. I would get the levels rechecked and then figure out what to do from there. Its possible your levels are still low.

One thing not to do is to go to the doctor and let him poke you with some rediculous amount of testosterone, that will just screw you up more. This guy doesn't even know how to administer proper HRT. You do about 80-100mg/week of cypionate or enanthate. That is the only way to keep the blood levels in the normal range and mimick high physiological levels (as opposed to pharmacological which means amounts that are higher than is natural) . Otherwise all you get is side effects and too much estrogen with nothing but wild and worthless swings of testosterone. You'll feel lousy.

As for getting a script and hoarding the stuff. I wouldn't do that. That's not right. Some poor guy wil come in with real hypogonadism and this doctor won't know how to treat him because of patients like you who screw up his understanding of the way this stuff works (I am sure he'll want periodicblood tests, etc.). Something to think about.

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----------------------------------------------------------------------sure 291 is a miserable low but 2 weeks post a 9 month cycle and already back in normal range.i really doubt my levels are still low its now been 4-5 weeks and have 110% sex drive cant get enough,i did loose some weight about 10 pounds but my lifts are still fairly strong.
-as for the frequentcy of the shots, and the mg he will adminaster i dont know,i am thinking he will just give me injections in his office untill i tell him i feel 100% and think about it,what doctor would prescribe an injectible without first demonstrating propper tecnique? he doesnt know i have probably administered more self injections than he has given
-as for blood tests he will surely do them periodicly,but as you have probably figured out by now i dont have hypogonadism, so if i do get scripts and horde up gear, i am not going to do any of it untill i get enough for a good cycle.my natural test levels lets say are now within satisfactory normal range ex: 5-700ng/ml therefore how would he know i am not taking it?surely he would not do tests but mabe every 3-6 months,by the time i horde up enough gear for a good cycle i would know by then how often he did bloodwork.say i get a 5cc vial per month,in a year i could save up, do a cycle and include post cycle theropy clomid,hgc and be within normal range before test time

 

[buckwheat1]

Go to a real HRT doctor. They typically will put you on a dose that puts in the high-end of the range.

 

[freakazoid]

Go to a real HRT doctor. They typically will put you on a dose that puts in the high-end of the range.

i thought thats what a urologist was,i assume he will probably give me an effective dose that would put me on the higher end.see i am not really sure of what dose he will administer at this point.ultimately my goal is to obtain a legal means of testosterone.therefore wether he is a quack or not is really no concern,so long as i can obtain scripts and not office visit injections.at this point it seems to make sence that he would only do office injections untill he reached the point as to where he felt comfortable with me injecting myself,and mabe check bloodwork to find the propper dose.

 

[Seth28]

bro, tell him to teach you how to give yourself the shots or tell him your wife knows how to do it, and then just get the script, its a royal pain in the ass to go to the office once a week or two, and he doesnt make crap for you to stop by and get a shot. It just makes good sense.

 

[freakazoid]

swung by there today and he was not in but his nurse said he was going to write me a script and i would have to come by w/the test for inj.i ask her if my girlfriend witch is a nuke med tech,can do it.she is gona ask him.

 

[JuicePimp]

bro, tell him to teach you how to give yourself the shots or tell him your wife knows how to do it, and then just get the script, its a royal pain in the ass to go to the office once a week or two, and he doesnt make crap for you to stop by and get a shot. It just makes good sense.

Well, many doctors will stick you with a $60 visit fee every time you set foot in the office. You see your normal co-pay and the insurance co get hit with the visit fee and the injection fee, prob another $15 or so. Thus, if you go each week, thats an extra $300 towards the new BMW.