Do you think that Time Travel is possible?

[SSAlexSS]

Wow! I replied to this thread a long time ago, and I can't believe how many people here think time travel is possible! Come on guys...We invented "time," it's only a concept. Further, since we invented time, we control it...It doesn't control us. If we want to travel back in time all we have to do is set our watches back or write 1002 on all of ou calendars from now on...BAM, we just travelled back 1000 years.

Once again...Time is not a physical entity...it only exists in our minds. No mathematical formula can change how fast time moves because, by definition, it move at one second per second. There's no slowing it down, or speeding it up...that is unless we change our definition of time.

It's interesting to debate, but the idea of time-travel is idiotic, and I can't believe people waste their time developing these mathematical formulas for time travel...they'll get close...but they'll never get there. It can be likened to diverging indefinate integrals (for you math majors out there )Like this one:

1/X...What does this equation equal as X goes to infinity? The answer is 0, although the actual equation never reaches zero...it will keep getting closer and closer...But will it ever get there? NEGATIVE!

Now if you time-travelers out there can find me a positive value for X that makes the equation equal 0 (or a negative number), then I'll hop on the bandwagon and go back and attack Hitler with you...but until then...I'll stay right here at whatever time it is now.

B-10

No flame intended but,


We couldnt measure or see or describe or calculate gravity before. Did that
prevent us from flying NO!

Forget about the formulas. What makes you think that they are correct?
Maybe they are totally off. Formulas change.


For centuries we couldnt beat gravity. There were 1000s of reasons why not.,
Now its not an issue.

Answer was simple. Make a propulsion device, and wings to amek the air plane float.

Why not with time?
Make an energy field that would distort
the wave of time comming at you, so you would attract the far string (future) and when yoiu are at the desired time, you siwtch you field off?

If we can measure it, we can beat it!

 

[Imnotdutch]

I think the point being made is that we can beat gravity because it is a physical force- there is something there that we can interact with physically. Whereas time is a concept that only exists in our heads; we invented the concept, the concept did not exist before humans.

No flame intended but,


We couldnt measure or see or describe or calculate gravity before. Did that
prevent us from flying NO!

Forget about the formulas. What makes you think that they are correct?
Maybe they are totally off. Formulas change.


For centuries we couldnt beat gravity. There were 1000s of reasons why not.,
Now its not an issue.

Answer was simple. Make a propulsion device, and wings to amek the air plane float.

Why not with time?
Make an energy field that would distort
the wave of time comming at you, so you would attract the far string (future) and when yoiu are at the desired time, you siwtch you field off?

If we can measure it, we can beat it!

 

[rudedawg]

No....but I rented The One on DVD last night and it was bad ass.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I think the point being made is that we can beat gravity because it is a physical force- there is something there that we can interact with physically. Whereas time is a concept that only exists in our heads; we invented the concept, the concept did not exist before humans.

I have to politely disagree.

If we can see the action of something, it has to exist.
Look, people didnt know about gravity before. They took it for granted.,
They thought about it the same way as we do today about time. Through due
time we now could measure gravity. We can meaasure time, we can see it effects... It exists.

Hey in science, if we can measure it - it exists. Time is like a timeline, you
cant have a movie without a continuous timeline, same is here. NOTHING can be alive
without duration.

Look, we can manipulate emotions, yeh they are 'a concept we invented' but it CAN be manipulated. Why cant time.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I have to politely disagree.

If we can see the action of something, it has to exist.
Look, people didnt know about gravity before. They took it for granted.,
They thought about it the same way as we do today about time. Through due
time we now could measure gravity. We can meaasure time, we can see it effects... It exists.

Hey in science, if we can measure it - it exists. Time is like a timeline, you
cant have a movie without a continuous timeline, same is here. NOTHING can be alive
without duration.

Look, we can manipulate emotions, yeh they are 'a concept we invented' but it CAN be manipulated. Why cant time.

Disagreeing is cool...its how we move forward.

In science we can measure abstract things as well as the real.......so that doesn't mean that everything we can put numbers to exists as a physical entity. I dunno whether this is a good example but we can measure speed........we can manipulate speed, but it is just a number through which we compare different moving objects.

Also, I don't believe we invented emotions. Emotions have always existed we just put a name to them. People got pissed, happy etc before some bright spark put a name to them. Just like gravity.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Disagreeing is cool...its how we move forward.

In science we can measure abstract things as well as the real.......so that doesn't mean that everything we can put numbers to exists as a physical entity. I dunno whether this is a good example but we can measure speed........we can manipulate speed, but it is just a number through which we compare different moving objects.

Also, I don't believe we invented emotions. Emotions have always existed we just put a name to them. People got pissed, happy etc before some bright spark put a name to them. Just like gravity.

Great.

Well, time IS REAL. Because of that it CAN be manipulated, just like hormones in your body theough steroids...hahaha...

If there were NO time, everything would be the same speed - and actually, nothing could exist... Why? Because without time it would take INFINITE amount of energy to move even a single atom, since it would have to be able to be displaced miles in infinitely short time (infinitely times the speed of light).


Time does exist, just like wind. We may not see it, but we feel its effects.... If you do lots of exam cramming, you would know for sure what time is... hehehe.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Great.

Well, time IS REAL. Because of that it CAN be manipulated, just like hormones in your body theough steroids...hahaha...

If there were NO time, everything would be the same speed - and actually, nothing could exist... Why? Because without time it would take INFINITE amount of energy to move even a single atom, since it would have to be able to be displaced miles in infinitely short time (infinitely times the speed of light).


Time does exist, just like wind. We may not see it, but we feel its effects.... If you do lots of exam cramming, you would know for sure what time is... hehehe.

You know, putting words in capital letters doesn't prove a point!!

I thought that this was turning into an intelligent discussion but your explanations don't make much sense to me. When you travel back in time let me know.......explain how you did it......then I might believe you.

 

[SSAlexSS]

You know, putting words in capital letters doesn't prove a point!!

I thought that this was turning into an intelligent discussion but your explanations don't make much sense to me. When you travel back in time let me know.......explain how you did it......then I might believe you.

I am sorry to hear this.

What background in physics do you have? I highlighted SOME capital letters to emphasize words.

Intelligent discussion? When people cant understand the basics, it cant be intelligent discussion anymore.

What exactly you didnt get?

more explanations:

In order to have speed you must have time. Speed is dependant on time.

s=d/t speed = distance travel / how much time it took to travel it. If time doesnt exist you cant have speed, as x / 0 produces infinity/error/unknown number.

another example:
f=ma

force (required to move an object in non friction environment) = mass * acceleration


If there is no time, then acceleration has to be infinitely huge , since an object has to reach a certain point immedeately. That way 1 single atom would occupy entire known universe (why? because it would have to be present EVERYWHERE). Imagine amount of space required for one planet!


and thus f (force) would be infinite for ONE SINGLE ATOM.

That is why time has to exist. Time must exist in order to sort out the position of each atom found in the universe. Universe cant exist without time.


I hope you understand this.

For now, read physics 101.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I am sorry to hear this.

What background in physics do you have? I highlighted SOME capital letters to emphasize words.

Intelligent discussion? When people cant understand the basics, it cant be intelligent discussion anymore.

What exactly you didnt get?

more explanations:

In order to have speed you must have time. Speed is dependant on time.

s=d/t speed = distance travel / how much time it took to travel it. If time doesnt exist you cant have speed, as x / 0 produces infinity/error/unknown number.

another example:
f=ma

force (required to move an object in non friction environment) = mass * acceleration


If there is no time, then acceleration has to be infinitely huge , since an object has to reach a certain point immedeately. That way 1 single atom would occupy entire known universe (why? because it would have to be present EVERYWHERE). Imagine amount of space required for one planet!


and thus f (force) would be infinite for ONE SINGLE ATOM.

That is why time has to exist. Time must exist in order to sort out the position of each atom found in the universe. Universe cant exist without time.


I hope you understand this.

For now, read physics 101.

Well yeah poor little me only has a Ph.D in science (which I am sure you will understand means I have to work well in all 3 disciplines).

But the above info still does not prove the point.......do the equations prove the existance of time as a physical entity?......uh nope. Nobody disputes that time passes.......only your reasoning behind how we will manipulate it. Or more to the point.....that you said we CAN manipulate it.

Is this going to go the same way as the 'bodybuilders are stronger than powerlifters' and '2 million sets to failure gave me my guns' threads?? The level of reasoning is the same. And you tend to get uptight when people remind you of them....

 

[Norman Bates]

Yes it is possible, and yes I just got back from the late 1800's.

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