Do you like to eat meat?

[BackDoc]

I agree Weapon. If you look at the enzyme capacities of the body (we lack cellulase which true herbivores have), as well as anatomical configuration of the digestive tract, even the micronutrient needs that are supplied by dietary meat then it becomes apparent that we are designed to eat just about anything.

As to chicken, for those wanting lower cholesterol, keep in mind that chicken has more!

I personally think chicken is worse than beef in terms of cleanliness and chemicals. Chickens have a ton of growth hormones and antibiotics for their weight. A recent estimation was that up to 80 percent of poultry chickens in certain conditions have cancer.

Just like with beef, if you can help it get it from quality sources and make sure it's fully cooked. A good source of beef is likely to NEVER make you sick. Think about the rich folks who eat steak tartar (basically raw). Bet you won't find many places serving chicken tartar! Why is that? The description of cattle slaughter was more akin to veal. I don't eat veal because it is a pitiful sight to see an animal starved in a cramp space and given lots of antibiotics and growth hormones. I want my beef as close to cruelty free as possible. However, lots of people will see killing of any animal as cruel, so the vegetarians will not relenquish at all.

I respect plants too. They respond to human touch, they grow towards the light, they keep our atmosphere clean of some toxins and supply us with oxygen. Vegetarians kill more plants than I do. So should I go on a rant towards them on behalf of using up plants that keep my oxygen supply in full swing? Probably not because I eat them too sometimes. I'm not starting anything just to say that life means eating another life...the form is almost irrespective.

I eat chicken and fish as well, but if you look at the diseases that both chicken and fish can transmit they basically have much more potential for public health risk than beef.

 

[The Dude]

Hmmm, I'm from the poultry industry and have been schooled in poultry science. Where have you gotten this information stating that up to 80% of chickens in certain conditions have cancer? What cancer? What conditions? Ton of growth hormones and antibiotics? Growth hormones aren't fed to chickens. It's against FEDERAL law. Antibiotics are being fazed out, but their purpose is soley to inhibit nasty bacteria to improve bird health in general. This allows them to convert feed at a more efficient rate. Antibiotics are also withdrawn from the birds before slaughter to allow them to clear the birds' systems.

Now for great health risk, this is due to two factors. One is that birds are sold as a different product than beef. Whole birds leave lots of places for bacteria to "hide" and avoid cleansing (vs beef being sold almost exclusively in slabs of meat, although ground beef is quite "dangerous" when looking at bacterial contamination). However, less and less chicken is being sold as a whole bird. Secondly, irradiation is not widely accepted by consumers yet. It doesn't change anything other than killing bacteria. If I could, I would buy nothing but irradiated meat (all kinds), but it's not widely available yet thanks to irrational consumer fears.

I like chicken and beef. It all does a body good!

 

[BackDoc]

CHICKENS AND CANCER article: Dr. Owen Parrett, MD, former medical director of a Canadian hospital and former physician at a Washington DC hospital, cited research that in 1931 50% of U.S. chickens died of cancer. In 1933 the cancer rate for Americans had risen 15% in 2 years. This was the first incidence of this connection.

Quoted from DeLamar Gibbons, M.D in his clinical research concerning cancer rates and animal food sources: "Most chickens have cancer before they are slaughtered/ die, even the young birds."

Artificial lighting in order to increase egg laying capacities by hens used in egg collection AND for meat has been widely known to increase production periods (called "force moulting"). Given that hens laying large numbers of eggs may be predisposed to adenocarcinomas, increased egg production has likewise increased adenocarcinoma rates among these chickens.

Another fatal condition of coop chickens is something called "flop-over syndrome" in which they leap into the air, flop over and diet. Post mortem exam reveals blood clots may be the cause of death. Although this is not exactly a cancer issue, it is a stress-related issue. Since cancer rates (even adenocarcinoma rates) are typically higher among high stress organisms, it stands to reason.

From Diet for a New America: Leukosis is the cancer coop chickens are most prone to: a government report found that over 90% of the chickens from most of the flocks in the country are infected with chicken cancer (avian leukosis). A smaller number are found to have Marek's Disease, which is classified as a cancer as well.

http://www.antwifarms.com/chickendiseases.shtml Extensive website describing all of the nasty diseases chickens can carry, transmit or be carriers of. It may have epidemiology rates and other pertinent info, but I didn't want to drag through it all.

Virology 2000 Jun 20;272(1):106-11---shows the problem of chicken related cancer is growing along mutation lines.

I'll go through my files and see what I can find in the way of more info.

 

[SeXKiTTen_CanDy]

No horrible meat story is going to scare me or stop me from eating the shit, I practically live on meat. I HATE vegetables and i can't stand FRUIT. I am a carnivore.

My meat has to be rare to.

I love chicken.

 

[Weapon X]

"Another fatal condition of coop chickens is something called "flop-over syndrome" in which they leap into the air, flop over and diet."

Sounds terrible...

 

[TheSalami]

being a vegetarian for ethical reasons is retarded. if we werent killing and eating them some other animal would be. another animal would just chase them down and bite into their jugular until they died and eat them. thats how it works in the animal kingdom. sooner or later everything gets eaten by something else so why shouldnt i be the one enjoying some tasty meat!!?

 

[BackDoc]

I kin speyll guud sumtimez

 

[chesty]

BEEF ITS WHAT A BODY IS MADE FOR AND BUILT FROM!
Shit, I love it all.

 

[twinturbo]

I owe most of my physique to meat in general- I gore down that stuff all day long, and every day- sorry for the chickens too.....i eat this stuff..

 

[Weapon X]

If God didn't want us to eat animals, He wouldn't have wrapped them in all that delicious meat!