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do you believe in God?

Ipersonally owuld avoid quoting Richard Dawkins on this topic. He has said, in the past, that the theory of evolution disproves the existence of God......it does not.

BTW why does believing in christian ideals mean you are fucked? Christianity, along with the other major religions, emphasises some very good things. You could believe in Christian ideals withuot being religious at all.....just a well adjusted human being.

plornive said:
All of this physics is a waste of time.

Why?

Because the believers will keep making up new "proofs" or reasons to believe in 'God'.



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Thus, if you are a non-believer, it is quite stagnating to even entertain the idea of "god". I have wasted plenty of time doing this myself. Let it be.

And if you are a believer, all you are is a vehicle for a mind virus. If you are a Christian, your mind has been imprisoned - perhaps for life. If you think you are not a Christian but still believe in Christian ideals and perhaps a personable 'God' similar to the Christian 'God', you are fucked as well.
 
Imnotdutch said:
BTW why does believing in christian ideals mean you are fucked? Christianity, along with the other major religions, emphasises some very good things. You could believe in Christian ideals withuot being religious at all.....just a well adjusted human being.

yes, but this is an "if P, then Q" argument. :p
 
juicedpigtails said:
yes, but this is an "if P, then Q" argument. :p

That cat looks like you just gave it a nasty suprise.......are things so bad that you have to stoop to molesting cats?
 
Imnotdutch said:
That cat looks like you just gave it a nasty suprise.......are things so bad that you have to stoop to molesting cats?
yes, tuc took all the ferrets and robert jang, all the anteaters. thus i am left with cats.


:kitty:
 
Imnotdutch said:
Ipersonally owuld avoid quoting Richard Dawkins on this topic. He has said, in the past, that the theory of evolution disproves the existence of God......it does not.
Richard Dawkins says some controversial things. Part of the reason he might have said that evolution disproves the existence of God (please show me where/when he said this) is that he often refers to evolution as including genetic evolution and memetic evolution. I am not sure what he meant because you have not given any quotes for me to interpret. Memetic analysis should one day provide clues on how the idea of "God" came to be, which would undermine the role of "truth" in the causal links leading to "God". Memetics is itself a meme and a paradigm shift that will one day undermine most religious memes.

Imnotdutch said:
BTW why does believing in christian ideals mean you are fucked? Christianity, along with the other major religions, emphasises some very good things. You could believe in Christian ideals withuot being religious at all.....just a well adjusted human being.
Christianity and Christian morals have caused people to shun knowledge, close their minds, fight wars, limit their minds - overall causing mass stupidity.

Before you criticize what I am saying, let's be clear that I am not advocating the anti-thesis of Christian morals.

Christian morals are based on the idea that "God" exists and that Jesus was the son of "God", both of which are incorrect and based on errors. Thus, we as a society hold morals we don't even believe in. Some of us may "believe we believe", but we do not hold the lower level belief in "God". G-O-D I-S D-E-A-D, and we have a corrupt society with no direction. Christianity may have been a historical necessity, but it is now dead.

Christianity teaches people some ideas which I find to be particularly close-minded and irrational. The idea of selflessness and good/evil is quite irrational - it denies the obvious fact that no act is selfless and turns people into soft and irrational people. It teaches us to "turn the other cheek" - essentially it teaches us to have no honor! I hope my enemy "turns the other cheek", but I would not want to do business with or otherwise associate with someone with such a lack of honor.

Further, since we as a society no longer believe in the bases of these ideas, we need to find newer, more rational ideas. This does not necessarily mean another "God" - I don't think we could find such a thing - because I think the need for a "God" may be dissipated.
 
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