do you believe in God?

[Robert Jan]

Actually that IS bullshit you can't let science answer everything

Sure the earth is fucking ancient, like even older than my nan, but don't you understand that even if you could grasp the entire universe and everything in it that ever happened, that exists or existed or will exist, in one grand unified physics formula, even then that formula would provide no reason for a Universe that works by this formula to exist.

 

[WODIN]

Yes. It's like breathing.

 

[Forge]

I believe in a creator of the universe, in other words someone or something "designed" the universe to grow and evolve with a goal in mind. I do not beleive in any man-made religion, or any Biblical version of "God". Religion is a social tool made by man, today it is replaced by government and communication.

 

[plornive]

All of this physics is a waste of time.

Why?

Because the believers will keep making up new "proofs" or reasons to believe in 'God'.

Historical refutation as the definitive refutation.-- In former times, one sought to prove that there is no God - today one indicates how the belief that there is a God arose and how this belief acquired its weight and importance: a counter-proof that there is no God thereby becomes superfluous.- When in former times one had refuted the 'proofs of the existence of God' put forward, there always remained the doubt whether better proofs might not be adduced than those just refuted: in those days atheists did not know how to make a clean sweep.

from Nietzsche's Daybreak,s. 95, R.J. Hollingdale transl.

Further details:

Consider the idea of God. We do not know how it arose in the meme pool. Probably it originated many times by independent 'mutation'. In any case, it is very old indeed. How does it replicate itself? By the spoken and written word, aided by great music and great art. Why does it have such high survival value? Remember that 'survival value' here does not mean value for a gene in a gene pool, but value for a meme in a meme pool. The question really means: What is it about the idea of a god that gives it its stability and penetrance in the cultural environment? The survival value of the god meme in the meme pool results from its great psychological appeal. It provides a superficially plausible answer to deep and troubling questions about existence. It suggests that injustices in this world may be recified in the next. The 'everlasting arms' hold out a cushion against our own inadequacies which, like a doctor's placebo, is none the less effective for being imaginary. These are some of the reasons why the idea of God is copied so readily by successive generations of individual brains. God exists, if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture.

- Richard Dawkins

Thus, if you are a non-believer, it is quite stagnating to even entertain the idea of "god". I have wasted plenty of time doing this myself. Let it be.

And if you are a believer, all you are is a vehicle for a mind virus. If you are a Christian, your mind has been imprisoned - perhaps for life. If you think you are not a Christian but still believe in Christian ideals and perhaps a personable 'God' similar to the Christian 'God', you are fucked as well.

 

[plornive]

Actually that IS bullshit you can't let science answer everything

Sure the earth is fucking ancient, like even older than my nan, but don't you understand that even if you could grasp the entire universe and everything in it that ever happened, that exists or existed or will exist, in one grand unified physics formula, even then that formula would provide no reason for a Universe that works by this formula to exist.

By the time physicists comes close to some grand formulas of existence, if they do, we will NO LONGER ASK the questions posed by religion.

"who done it??!"
"who can I blame?"
"why?"
"what happens to me when I die?"

According to Nietzsche, many religious concepts are "concepts originating in nothing but errors of reason and deserving, not satisfaction, but obliteration"

 

[Robert Jan]

your nietzsche quote is not a correct sentence. I can't figure it out. What's the verb?

 

[plornive]

your nietzsche quote is not a correct sentence. I can't figure it out. What's the verb?

Actually, that was a fragment taken from this:

But in the end one also has to understand that the needs that religion has satisfied and philosophy is now supposed to satisfy are not immutable; they can be weakened and exterminated. Consider, for example, that Christian distress of mind that comes from sighing over ones inner depravity and care for ones salvation - all concepts originating in nothing but errors of reason and deserving, not satisfaction, but obliteration.

from Nietzsche's Human, all too Human, s.27, R.J. Hollingdale transl.

That's why I said many religious concepts so as not to put words into Nietzsche's mouth.

 

[bluepeter]

In the context that god is force-fed to the sheep in the form of organized religion? No way.

 

[Imnotdutch]

dude you uneducateded moran. the earth is 4000 thousand years old.


whats up broly? havent seen you around lately. my research was moderately, well totally a bust. couldnt even get the PCR to run correctly.

lol. Well PCR is tough if you are new to it. Shit, molecular biology is tough if you aren't experienced with it. Took me forever to get it right when I first started it. That shit should be left to mindless drones........so the rest of us can get onto something more taxing.......and interesting.

Aside from that.......things are cool with me.

Of and the Earth is 4 million years old then? heheheh

 

[cutiepie04]

Yes.