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Do you all agree on PCT???

wootoom

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i have read that some people dont believe in it. can i hear your opinion?
 
If you're not interested in keeping any of the hard earned gains.....then PCT is a waste of time. I see these fellas at the gym. They're big as hell for a few months. Then a few months later back to the same size. They juice again, shrink again, juice again, shrink again, ect.......and after a number of years they don't look any different than when they started. Always follow Jenetic's protocol....seems to work better than any other method for me.
 
help4john said:
If you're not interested in keeping any of the hard earned gains.....then PCT is a waste of time. I see these fellas at the gym. They're big as hell for a few months. Then a few months later back to the same size. They juice again, shrink again, juice again, shrink again, ect.......and after a number of years they don't look any different than when they started. Always follow Jenetic's protocol....seems to work better than any other method for me.
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what method is that?
 
there's a huge guy at my gym that doesnt believe in it. he just always ends cycles with anavar. he swears by it and trys to convince me but im sticking to my scientifically proved meathods of keeping my muscle :)
 
I still use clomid, somtimes I can't get a hold of HCG. Nolva's a must though.

I usually start calling up all of my ex-girlfriends while on clomid, telling them I'm sorry for breaking up with them. Damn Drugs!
 
wootoom said:
i have read that some people dont believe in it. can i hear your opinion?
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It doesn't matter whether I "believe" in it or not!

PCT to my nutz only made my sperm count fatter! :rolleyes:









DIV

:chomp:
 
slyder190 said:
Biggest debate seems to be when to incorperate HCG. I'm on the "During" side of the fence.
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My thinking is to incorporate HCG a couple of weeks prior to completion of a cycle (not mid-cycle but say at week 8 of a 10 week cycle).

So 2 weeks before coming off and then 1 or 2 weeks post cycle - used in conjunction with Nolva / Clomid.

Nolva / Clomid would be continued for a further 3 weeks, as per the usual PC protocol (see PCT board).

During the last couple weeks of a cycle LH / FSH are suppressed as a result of the exogenous testosterone so it seems to make sense to use the HCG prior to coming off as a kick start to the recovery schedule.

If testicular size is back to normal at the conclusion of the cycle rather than 3 weeks post cycle I would think it should help maintain gains and ensure an even smoother recovery.

Jenetic informs me that this recovery technique would be similar to one where the individual takes a very small dose (eg. 250-300 IU's) throughout the entire cycle (ie. Mon / Wed / Fri).

I think both techniques would work well but am slightly concerned about Leydig cell desensitization from HCG (even though it shouldn't occur if you use a very low dose coupled with Nolva).
 
help4john said:
If you're not interested in keeping any of the hard earned gains.....then PCT is a waste of time. I see these fellas at the gym. They're big as hell for a few months. Then a few months later back to the same size. They juice again, shrink again, juice again, shrink again, ect.......and after a number of years they don't look any different than when they started. Always follow Jenetic's protocol....seems to work better than any other method for me.
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Very well said!
 
Do you all agree on steroids ?!!!

hey ...what based on science couldn't be put aside ...don't you believe in ..my balls are gone, sometimes you need hubble telescoep to see'em anyway i am on whatever is said ?
p.s. feel free to borrow my balls when you couldn't find yours :friends:
i love you all guys ...clomid / hcg / tamoxi.
 
PCT...Good Stuff...Clomid works sometimes, other time it makes me a bitch. Either way, I get in the sac alot quicker with PCT.
 
For the first 5 years that i used gear i ran no PCT and recovered ok. Now that it's been proven to me that proper PCT will in fact shorten recovery time, i can't figure out why you would not do it. Any thoughts? Why would someone bypass it if it works?
 
help4john said:
If you're not interested in keeping any of the hard earned gains.....then PCT is a waste of time. I see these fellas at the gym. They're big as hell for a few months. Then a few months later back to the same size. They juice again, shrink again, juice again, shrink again, ect.......and after a number of years they don't look any different than when they started. Always follow Jenetic's protocol....seems to work better than any other method for me.
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I see the same exact shit at the 3 gyms I go to... Its laughable. I keep growing and they keep looking the same. Most are a few lbs lighter... probably due to the fact that they can't produce as much natural test due to atrophy!
 
I run HCG during (mid cycle and around the last shot for 10 days at 500ius) and Clomid once the esters clear.
I just used Nolva for the 1st time... nipple itch. Worried gyno was to follow.
I always use Dostinex when on Deca or Tren
I will be keeping Arimidex on hand too.
*I decided to be smart. I am putting together a large PCT order so that I will never have to go without. More people should do that!
 
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