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Gambino
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pole in a second
Gambino said:
Pick3 in 3... 2... 1...
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rnch said:
is NO segregated? do you have black neighbors?
the way the media portrays NO, it seems pretty segregated
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rnch said:
def outta touch bro, esp regarding southern issues
only been their a few times and not in the last 5 yrs
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give your opinion broAAP said:
lol@8 posts and no votes
Delinquent
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AAP said:
Hell yea you remember that article or maybe was it a video of him at a NAACP or rally similar? He laid into the black community for what it has become only to called an uncle tom among other things from his own community.
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well i voted no opinion to get the ball rollingnefertiti said:I noticed that, too...no one's touching this. Maybe it would help if you say it's a private poll.
i fucked up and should have put another option
"a combo of both" is what i would have voted for
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Gambino
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because you are torn over the issue?slat1 said:
or you truely have no opinion?
To the best of my knowledge, a large number of african americans are born into homes and cities that do not offer the best advancement opportunities (i.e. poor neighborhoods). Regardless of skin color, this often leads to a very different life path than would middle/upper class suburb environments.
We are all a product of our environment.
We are all a product of our environment.
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samoth said:To the best of my knowledge, a large number of african americans are born into homes and cities that do not offer the best advancement opportunities (i.e. poor neighborhoods). Regardless of skin color, this often leads to a very different life path than would middle/upper class suburb environments.
We are all a product of our environment.
so the arguement goes:
italians, irish, eastern euros, etc all lived in poverty upon first arriving
after a generation though, they were able to better themselves and pull out of the ghetto
Faizakafez
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Gambino said:
but they are white^^^^^
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trueFaizakafez said:
assmiliation was/is easier for whiteys
but howcome asians have overcome this?
Faizakafez
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good point.. but i do think it really comes down to sterotypes really..
I mean when you see an asian person you assume he is a hard-worker will work xx number of hours etc...study all day and night...
with blacks most people assume the negative i.e a thug/criminal or if you see a black person walking down the street at night etc.
I mean when you see an asian person you assume he is a hard-worker will work xx number of hours etc...study all day and night...
with blacks most people assume the negative i.e a thug/criminal or if you see a black person walking down the street at night etc.
Faizakafez
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also when people comment on topics like this is hard to gauge your persepective be caucasion etc..
i'm brown and have experinced racism as little child and i grew up in friendly old Canada
i'm brown and have experinced racism as little child and i grew up in friendly old Canada
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you look pretty white to meFaizakafez said:
what's your ethnic background?
Gambino said:
they weren't brought here as slaves.....a large part of the black community harbors great resent for their ancestors being slaves, and it has been passed down through generations....they feel they are owed something, and of course, our PC culture caters directly to that, and encourages that. Until this "chip" is off their shoulder, they will be holding themselves back....pair that with a culture of black on black crime, and an emphasis on personal material wealth instead of community, it's no wonder that things don't change. Not sure where that all comes from....
and of course the few that do well for themselves, and don't harbor that attitude are labeled by their own as sell outs and uncle toms, and they just distance themselves from it altogether.
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good post brojerkbox said:
Faizakafez
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Gambino said:
your kidding me right? must be the lighting
i was born/raised in canada parents are from pakistan
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Faizakafez said:
could you be a euro looking whitey but be from pakistan or afgahnistan?
and i'm not talking about someone who moves there...an authentic paki.
the reason i ask is because i knew someone who was fairly light skinned but was paki. he looked like a slav from russia
Faizakafez
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samoth said:Credited. However, there should exist a solution invariant of individual perspectives.
Agree 100% but im just saying.. * i cant find the proper analogy* but its kinda like saying steriods breed rage/agression without actually experinicing them
Faizakafez
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Gambino said:
no im fairly tan... skin color really depends there are alot of light skinned brown girls who just try not to bother with the sun etc.. my parents (mom and dad) were born and raised there until the age of 26 and 23 then they moved here..
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Faizakafez said:
i wasn't referring to you, "you" was meant to be general
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faiz i was gonna buy you a week plat but i see it's already been done
Faizakafez
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thanks =)
i'm a broke taxi driver lol
if you guys are wonder the real name is pronunced Fez
i'm a broke taxi driver lol
if you guys are wonder the real name is pronunced Fez
Faizakafez
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samoth said:I've tried deciphering the pronunciation of your name more than once, to no avail, lol.
lol you should hear the stuff i get
Phase, Phase , Fiaz its brutal
Papa Lion
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without entering into the on-going historical debate... my opion is thus: YES!! most definitely, but they are not entirely alone... the majority of the american population is growing ever softer!! I am currently in Russia I came here to train but to get an extended visa I decided the easiest route and that was to tighten up my russian at a uni here. I've met a few africans along with a guy from india, one from sudan and one from iraq who are all at least fluent in three languages I know this because they helped me with some translations when I first arrived with some of the faculty here involving my contract and other dilemmas at various points!! that to me is somewhat impressive I don't know them all that well but do know that fluency in at LEAST 3 languages takes some perseverance and dedication!! and for most americans it has proven difficult to master their native tongue and for some black americans down right impossible hence the push for teaching ebonics!! I'm not just downing black americans so don't get me wrong I think we (americans) have been growing lazier on a whole when it comes to academics!! which cannot prove beneficial in the long run!!
sidenote: do you think chinese kids are growing up on pokemon?? no they are growing up on mathematics!! they only make that shit to keep americans dumb while they work i silence and secrecy to better their people and thus move on to rule the world!! ok so that last part was just for effect, but the point is still there!!!
sidenote: do you think chinese kids are growing up on pokemon?? no they are growing up on mathematics!! they only make that shit to keep americans dumb while they work i silence and secrecy to better their people and thus move on to rule the world!! ok so that last part was just for effect, but the point is still there!!!
chewyxrage
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I've seen enough rich black kids from chicago at NIU to think NO sometimes.
On the other hand, I've also seen the ghetto rats that come to DeKalb to live w/ their homies in subsidized housing, hiding out from some crime they committed in Chi-Town.
Anybody can get scholorships/financial aid/loans (Esp. being a poor black kid, a middle class whitey like myself won't get dick). And it's NOT very hard to get into a state school. No excuses.
On the other hand, I've also seen the ghetto rats that come to DeKalb to live w/ their homies in subsidized housing, hiding out from some crime they committed in Chi-Town.
Anybody can get scholorships/financial aid/loans (Esp. being a poor black kid, a middle class whitey like myself won't get dick). And it's NOT very hard to get into a state school. No excuses.
chewyxrage
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samoth said:Yes, but for inner city kids, this isn't the credited choice (based upon enviromental factors).
Why do some poor black kids get a college education and others don't? Choice.
samoth said:To the best of my knowledge, a large number of african americans are born into homes and cities that do not offer the best advancement opportunities (i.e. poor neighborhoods). Regardless of skin color, this often leads to a very different life path than would middle/upper class suburb environments.
We are all a product of our environment.
Took the words out of my mouth. Has anyone seen the video of black kids choosing between a white doll and a black doll. the kids said the black doll was bad. Its already predestined for them to fail. I would say yes, because thats what they were taught.
mountain muscle
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Pull yourselves up by your boot straps.
It is not about race.
It is not about race.
gjohnson5
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Bill Cosby and Opera both would say yes in my opinion.
I have never used being black or Cherokee as an excuse for not achieving what I set out to do. It was a Tony Johnson failure and nothing more
So I guess the answer is yes in my case as well
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I can't believe I spelled "Oprah" "Opera" , LOL
That workout today kicked my ass
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I have never used being black or Cherokee as an excuse for not achieving what I set out to do. It was a Tony Johnson failure and nothing more
So I guess the answer is yes in my case as well
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I can't believe I spelled "Oprah" "Opera" , LOL
That workout today kicked my ass
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gjohnson5
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I don't completely agree. i didn't have the $$$ to go to a private school , but I still went to an expensive private school and graduated there. I was lucky I had talents that paid the tuition , books ,etc
otherwise i would have been at the public school in an english class with the other 200 students and things would have been alot different
otherwise i would have been at the public school in an english class with the other 200 students and things would have been alot different
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mountain muscle
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gjohnson5 said:
But GJ the same goes for kids of all races.
Lots of successes out of public schools too.
Lots of distractions as well, for everyone.
I will admit that I have a problem with the race card for entitlement being used though.
gjohnson5
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I guess you misunderstand the last sentance.
Let me explain
After I graduated, I did a 180 and went to a public school since I couldn't get a computer science degree at the liberal arts private school. There was a grad student who had a T shirt that said spelled UNO (university of New Orleans) as University of Negro Oppression.
He did this because he wanted to be a TA and had been denied. So at this point he checked his GPA etc and feet that he should have been accepted. To me , I never felt any racial bias, but subjection has to be used when you are in a college of 50,000 students and I'm sure there were many students worthy GPA wise of being a TA. Needless to say, he became a TA next semester
Whereas in the liberal arts school on the undergraduate level , I was basically hand fed. I was in 1 class by myself for instance. Another class with 2 people. I mean it was nice. School tailored for individual students. That by itself is enough to warrant paying extra money to go to a private school.
So I guess what I'm trying to say that in the 50,000 student school subjection in one person's mind could be racism in another. That much of it does not matter if you are black or white.
Let me explain
After I graduated, I did a 180 and went to a public school since I couldn't get a computer science degree at the liberal arts private school. There was a grad student who had a T shirt that said spelled UNO (university of New Orleans) as University of Negro Oppression.
He did this because he wanted to be a TA and had been denied. So at this point he checked his GPA etc and feet that he should have been accepted. To me , I never felt any racial bias, but subjection has to be used when you are in a college of 50,000 students and I'm sure there were many students worthy GPA wise of being a TA. Needless to say, he became a TA next semester
Whereas in the liberal arts school on the undergraduate level , I was basically hand fed. I was in 1 class by myself for instance. Another class with 2 people. I mean it was nice. School tailored for individual students. That by itself is enough to warrant paying extra money to go to a private school.
So I guess what I'm trying to say that in the 50,000 student school subjection in one person's mind could be racism in another. That much of it does not matter if you are black or white.
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mountain muscle
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gjohnson5 said:I guess you misunderstand the last sentance.
Let me explain
After I graduated, I did a 180 and went to a public school since I couldn't get a computer science degree at the liberal arts private school. There was a grad student who had a T shirt that said spelled UNO (university of New Orleans) as University of Negro Oppression.
He did this because he wanted to be a TA and had been denied. So at this point he checked his GPA etc and feet that he should have been accepted. To me , I never felt any racial bias, but subjection has to be used when you are in a college of 50,000 students and I'm sure there were many students worthy GPA wise of being a TA. Needless to say, he became a TA next semester
Whereas in the liberal arts school on the undergraduate level , I was basically hand fed. I was in 1 class by myself for instance. Another class with 2 people. I mean it was nice. School tailored for individual students. That by itself is enough to warrant paying extra money to go to a private school.
So I guess what I'm trying to say that in the 50,000 student school subjection in one person's mind could be racism in another. That much of it does not matter if you are black or white.
I understand what you are saying GJ. And I think this is one of your most straightforward posts.
I have a question for you. I am not sure how to ask, so I just will. Do you think black people have more claim to reparations and racism than American Indians? It is a question that has plagued me for awhile, I have my own answer. I would like to hear yours.
billfred
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I am a white boy that grew up in pedominately white america but who has also lived in West Africa and Asia.
Though it never applies to 100% of the population, I can say in general that the Asian's are exponentially more ambitious than Africans. Does that mean it is a bad thing - not at all. Maybe the African's have already gotten to where we all want to be.
Remember the old story about the Wall Street guru who goes to the caribean? He charters a boat and goes fishing, then stikes up a conversation with the local boat owner about his lifestyle. He tells him he needs to expand --now!!!
The boat owner says, look I wake up in the morning, play with my kids, catch some fish, come home, hang out on the beach, have sex with my wife, and go to sleep.
The Wall Street guy goes through the whole business plan about borrowing more money, buying more boats, managing employees, buying more boats, building big business.
Boat owner says, then what. "You go public, sell stock and then you are a millionaire!!!"
Then what - You retire, buy a place a place in the tropics, spend time with your kids, hang out at the beach, and have sex with your wife....oh."
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Most Africans in the village in Africa, wake up, have their wife waite on them hand and foot, go hunting while the wife takes care of the house and garden. Come back, drink beer, and fuck anything that walks - goes to sleep. Somehow we are desperate to get thim out of this terrible situation they are in.
Though it never applies to 100% of the population, I can say in general that the Asian's are exponentially more ambitious than Africans. Does that mean it is a bad thing - not at all. Maybe the African's have already gotten to where we all want to be.
Remember the old story about the Wall Street guru who goes to the caribean? He charters a boat and goes fishing, then stikes up a conversation with the local boat owner about his lifestyle. He tells him he needs to expand --now!!!
The boat owner says, look I wake up in the morning, play with my kids, catch some fish, come home, hang out on the beach, have sex with my wife, and go to sleep.
The Wall Street guy goes through the whole business plan about borrowing more money, buying more boats, managing employees, buying more boats, building big business.
Boat owner says, then what. "You go public, sell stock and then you are a millionaire!!!"
Then what - You retire, buy a place a place in the tropics, spend time with your kids, hang out at the beach, and have sex with your wife....oh."
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Most Africans in the village in Africa, wake up, have their wife waite on them hand and foot, go hunting while the wife takes care of the house and garden. Come back, drink beer, and fuck anything that walks - goes to sleep. Somehow we are desperate to get thim out of this terrible situation they are in.
mountain muscle
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gjohnson5 said:
We are all Americans. We should look after each other. I agree brother.
Time for bed.
you obviously didnt read the entire post.gjohnson5 said:
(and if you did, and just assumed i was talking about the lumping shit into one group thing, then i was refering to the general meaning of the quotes about happyness and what makes someone happy, the retirement thing etc etc)
GoldenDelicious
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bettering the human condition is a pretty big tradeoffbillfred said:
every individula should strive for balance in their life, and somewhere amongst the sex, sleep, and food should be a little progress towards a better future
anyway i know nothing about american blacks excet the ones here like to play the part of being american blacks, and routinely have their faces punched in
then again white people behaving similarly stupidly also have their faces punched int
actually people standing at the fucking bus stop where i live routinely have their faces punched in
hm.
theres a common thread here. i dunno what it is, but im gonna find it! brb!
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GoldenDelicious said:
I agree - just saying ambition does not always make you a better person. I have known Asian's that are self made billionaires that I would not give the sweat of my nuts.
I also have known Africans who were dirt poor, lived in houses with no plumbing, and really didn't want to do anything about it, but they were good people none the less.
a good person is a good person, regardless of how much more one wants to achieve in life.
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I said yes, but I think that applies to all Americans. If you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere. This is the go to country for a reason.
Also, I think there's nothing wrong with failing to live up to one's economic potential (me, for example). I live a very modest, yet comfortable life, doing what I enjoy, with people I enjoy.
My final thought on US race relations is plagerized from someone whom I can't rember. The one thing holding young (ages 15-30) black males back more than anything else is the evening news. Dispite millions of exceptions, when you see day in and day out blacks being arrested and convicted for violent crimes it's only natural to start thinking, hey maybe their all like that, why take a chance and hire one. If it wheren't for black criminals COPS wouldn't have lasted a season. It almost feels like they throw in the token whitey just to make it seem balanced - LOL.
Also, I think there's nothing wrong with failing to live up to one's economic potential (me, for example). I live a very modest, yet comfortable life, doing what I enjoy, with people I enjoy.
My final thought on US race relations is plagerized from someone whom I can't rember. The one thing holding young (ages 15-30) black males back more than anything else is the evening news. Dispite millions of exceptions, when you see day in and day out blacks being arrested and convicted for violent crimes it's only natural to start thinking, hey maybe their all like that, why take a chance and hire one. If it wheren't for black criminals COPS wouldn't have lasted a season. It almost feels like they throw in the token whitey just to make it seem balanced - LOL.
billfred
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GoldenDelicious said:actually people standing at the fucking bus stop where i live routinely have their faces punched in
hm.
theres a common thread here. i dunno what it is, but im gonna find it! brb!
You know - one of the few times I was in Perth, I was walking home from dinner and saw this dude start beating the fuck out of this stoner type. Got him on the ground and started kicking the shit out of him with these really big boots.
Made me not want to fuck with big ozzie dudes
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best thing to do with those guys is hit them first. there are plenty of big-for-nothing bastards out therebillfred said:
funny thing that happens when youre 100% willing to throw is that no one throws at you
except when theyre on meth
pricks lol
dsh89
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What Billferd said is fine, but in that example the guy is not bitching about his lifestyle, his is happy with it. American Blacks are too willing to bitch and moan insted of getting off their ass getting a FREE education, and making something of themselves. One of my best friends is black, and the manager of a BMW dealership in the Woodlands. Hell, he makes more than I do. I am a tattoo-covered white boy, and I will make six figures next year. People discriminate against me for the way I look, but it does not stop me. When I back to school, I saw that a lot of black peole would enroll just to get loans and grants and then drop out after they got the money. They had plenty of opprotunity, but did not take advantage of it. ANYONE who choses a bullshit gangster lifestyle over a college education is simply keeping themselves back. And that goes for black, white, hispanic, or asian. And fuck peer pressure. I have friends that are still going nowhere. I made the choice that I was not going to do that.
Faizakafez
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I think it really comes down to corporate america really..
for example oparah asked students in NY (blacks) what they wanted they all said ipods and psp's..
The same age group of students in Africa were asked and they said they wanted the chance to learn...
its not blacks/hispanics/whites holding them selves there entire value system is wrong. The belive there is some get rich magical way to get rich and drive 100k cars etc.
Actually let me add to that.. i mean now adays people my age dont work as hard as say the immigrant parents from the past..most people in my generation myself including have this lazy attitude, just enough to get by etc.
for example oparah asked students in NY (blacks) what they wanted they all said ipods and psp's..
The same age group of students in Africa were asked and they said they wanted the chance to learn...
its not blacks/hispanics/whites holding them selves there entire value system is wrong. The belive there is some get rich magical way to get rich and drive 100k cars etc.
Actually let me add to that.. i mean now adays people my age dont work as hard as say the immigrant parents from the past..most people in my generation myself including have this lazy attitude, just enough to get by etc.
Turd Ferguson
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They grab themselves a lot does that count?
It depends...
where they are living
how they were raised
education level
etc
The same could be said for any group of people about "holding themselves back"; however it seems more blacks in general let their decisions be made on more emotional terms than rational. Religion likely plays a big part in this, as I imagine it would with anybody. For example, I believe in God (ie a higher being), as a choice...there's more to the world than any of us know, but I also know better than to put much faith into man-made religions.
Rationality is the key word. The bottom line is black people, due to whatever reasons, generally seem to have less of it in their decision making process.
where they are living
how they were raised
education level
etc
The same could be said for any group of people about "holding themselves back"; however it seems more blacks in general let their decisions be made on more emotional terms than rational. Religion likely plays a big part in this, as I imagine it would with anybody. For example, I believe in God (ie a higher being), as a choice...there's more to the world than any of us know, but I also know better than to put much faith into man-made religions.
Rationality is the key word. The bottom line is black people, due to whatever reasons, generally seem to have less of it in their decision making process.
