Do anti-estrogens hinder gains?

[WannaBeBig72]

I had heard this before and was just wondering if it were true. I'm starting a dbol/test/eq cycle and was concerned about bloat was planning on running Famera right from the start. That leads me to my second question. Has anyone had any experience with Famera for controlling bloat?

Thanks guys in advance...

 

[ruggermu]

Don't have an answer but glad you asked wondering the same thing myself, for a test/deca/dbol

 

[azul]

I had heard this before and was just wondering if it were true. I'm starting a dbol/test/eq cycle and was concerned about bloat was planning on running Famera right from the start. That leads me to my second question. Has anyone had any experience with Famera for controlling bloat?

Thanks guys in advance...

Unless you're taking enough anti-e's to greatly reduce estrogen below normal (40mg nolva a day +1mg of arimidex + 50mg of clomid ), I wouldn't worry.

 

[dsh89]

Actually I heard quite the opposite. Since they either block or act antagonistically on estrogen, it would seem that that would enhance testoterone uptake and make for better gains, despite negating the negative effects of estrogen. Never tried em myself, but I am considering getting some Clomid before I start my next cycle.

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Actually I heard quite the opposite. Since they either block or act antagonistically on estrogen, it would seem that that would enhance testoterone uptake and make for better gains, despite negating the negative effects of estrogen. Never tried em myself, but I am considering getting some Clomid before I start my next cycle.

Anyone have any experience with Famera?

 

[halfaclue]

For me personally I believe anti e's hinder gains. I use to get better results from much lower amounts of gear but also had issues with gyno. Now I take novladex and adex with every cycle and I haven't had even the slightest bout of gyno. The less dramatic size increases could also be a side effect of holding less water because of the a-dex. Just my two cents from my own expierence.

 

[BionicBC]

Anyone have any experience with Famera?

Not personally, word-of-mouth says it DESTROYS your sex drive, but take that for what its worth-thats just what Ive heard. Its your penis, you decide.
Bionic

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Not personally, word-of-mouth says it DESTROYS your sex drive, but take that for what its worth-thats just what Ive heard. Its your penis, you decide.
Bionic

Bionic I'm so glad you told me this. My first cycle I ran about 8 months ago was test/eq. My sex drive was crazy on it the first couple of weeks. My brother who also hooked me up with my source and everything gives me these pills in a container and tells me to take them every other day to control bloat (I know I should of done more research at the time). He told me they were tamoxifen (he had scratched off the label because of his wife). Anyway I started taking the pills every other day and my sex drive completely dropped. I mean it was so damn weird. Anyway...I found out the other day the pills were really Famera!!!

Thank God. I was worried about my libido being all over the place during my next cycle (now especially that I have a very horny girlfriend...).

Could I PM you for an anti-e source online?

 

[BionicBC]

Bionic I'm so glad you told me this. My first cycle I ran about 8 months ago was test/eq. My sex drive was crazy on it the first couple of weeks. My brother who also hooked me up with my source and everything gives me these pills in a container and tells me to take them every other day to control bloat (I know I should of done more research at the time). He told me they were tamoxifen (he had scratched off the label because of his wife). Anyway I started taking the pills every other day and my sex drive completely dropped. I mean it was so damn weird. Anyway...I found out the other day the pills were really Famera!!!

Thank God. I was worried about my libido being all over the place during my next cycle (now especially that I have a very horny girlfriend...).

Could I PM you for an anti-e source online?

Ill only respond to secure emails. If you dont have a secure email account sign up on elitefitness, or go to www.cyber-rights.net
Bionic

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Ill only respond to secure emails. If you dont have a secure email account sign up on elitefitness, or go to www.cyber-rights.net
Bionic

What anti-estrogenic would you guys recommend then? Tamoxifen or arimidex?

 

[BionicBC]

What anti-estrogenic would you guys recommend then? Tamoxifen or arimidex?

Both, depending on the situation. Arimidex is an A.I., whereas Nolva (Tamoxifen) is a S.E.R.M.

 

[Makavelli]

Anti-E's will only inhibit water gains...not muscle gain. Use either nolva or Arimidex. Arimidex is a better choice.

 

[pudding]

Anti-E's will only inhibit water gains...not muscle gain. Use either nolva or Arimidex. Arimidex is a better choice.

Are you saying that taking nolva while on say a dbol cycle will keep bloat down but not gains?

 

[Makavelli]

Are you saying that taking nolva while on say a dbol cycle will keep bloat down but not gains?

That's what I'm saying...anyone that wants to prove me wrong with studies good luck...

 

[pudding]

That's what I'm saying...anyone that wants to prove me wrong with studies good luck...

I not disputing you, as a matter of fact thats what i'm doing now. My gains have not been as dramatic as some but perhaps i'll get to keep more of them. I've even thrown in a little prov.

 

[Makavelli]

I not disputing you, as a matter of fact thats what i'm doing now. My gains have not been as dramatic as some but perhaps i'll get to keep more of them. I've even thrown in a little prov.

You'll look and feel much better bro. Who wants to be a fucking water balloon for 12 weeks?

 

[Dial_tone]

none of them block enough estrogen to hinder gains.

 

[badslinky]

Water gains arent always a bad thing, I think they enable the muscle to grow more if you can stand being bloated for a lil while.

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Does Arimidex destroy the sex drive like Famera does? Considering that they are the same class of anti-e and all I thought they might.

 

[Smokescreen]

IMO...I think all anti-a's suck ass. I just take proviron and the shit works better and it doesn't kill my libido.

 

[Makavelli]

Does Arimidex destroy the sex drive like Famera does? Considering that they are the same class of anti-e and all I thought they might.

No. Arimidex doesn't fuck with your sex drive.

 

[Smokescreen]

No. Arimidex doesn't fuck with your sex drive.

The hell it does! Well...it depends on how much test you are using. And how much Adex you are going to use. But last year I used 250mgs of test per week with .5mgs of Adex EOD and my sex drive was not there at all! Proviron is the king for me!

 

[Texas Ranger]

IMO...I think all anti-a's suck ass. I just take proviron and the shit works better and it doesn't kill my libido.

How much Proviron do you use, Carth? How much Test are you taking?

 

[Anthony Starks]

Anyone have any experience with Famera?

First of all its Femera, not Famera I'm on week 9 of 1.25mg ed liquid femera and my sex drive is fine, but maybe not quite as elevated as it would be from the test I'm on.

 

[Smokescreen]

How much Proviron do you use, Carth? How much Test are you taking?

I was on 1gram of Test with 50mgs of Proviron. Works great for me.

 

[khemix]

On my first cycle of test and dbol I started noticing signs of gyno so i started taking 40mg/ed until the symptoms subsided. My weight gain slowed a bit and so did my strength increases, so i hate anti-e's. Next cycle I'm gonna try running proviron throughout and see how I like that.

Chris

 

[pudding]

IMO...I think all anti-a's suck ass. I just take proviron and the shit works better and it doesn't kill my libido.

That proviron works wonders for the sex drive and when your my age you will really appreciate it.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I was on 1gram of Test with 50mgs of Proviron. Works great for me.

Do you think 25mgs of Liquid Proviron ED would be enough for 500-600mgs of Test Enanthate/wk??

 

[Smokescreen]

Do you think 25mgs of Liquid Proviron ED would be enough for 500-600mgs of Test Enanthate/wk??

Liquid Proviron???!!! Where the fuck is this shit at? Anyways...NO! You need at least 50mgs per day. 25?! Are you kidding me? No way! I tried that shit many years ago to save myself $$$$$ and it didnt' work. Not until I doubled it.

 

[Makavelli]

I prefer Proviron, but Arimidex works great for me and doesn't affect my sex drive.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Liquid Proviron???!!! Where the fuck is this shit at? Anyways...NO! You need at least 50mgs per day. 25?! Are you kidding me? No way! I tried that shit many years ago to save myself $$$$$ and it didnt' work. Not until I doubled it.

It's an underground product and all the stuff is supposed to be VERY good. I've never heard a negative thing about them. Only BIG thumbs up from Vets that have used them.

 

[Sir-Que]

Anti-E's will only inhibit water gains...not muscle gain. Use either nolva or Arimidex. Arimidex is a better choice.

Anti-E's will only inhibit water gains...not muscle gains


THANK YOU!!!!!

SQ-