Do all orals negatively affect lipds?

[halfcenturian]

HORSE SHIT!!! If you Mega dose fish oil and Krill Oil, omega 3-6-9's, Niacin, etc., etc. They can remain stable. I just had my blood work done early. 5 weeks post cycle which includedTest, Deca, Dbol and Anavar. My lipids wer perfect.
Don't make a broad, brush stroke statement like, "there is nothing you can do about it." Because I'm proof that you are wrong.

 

[gjohnson5]

Taking cholesterol lowering supps wasn't part of the question...

BUT... If you had to MEGA DOSE fish oil krill oil , Omega 3,6,9 AND niacin to to keep your ldl and hdl normal then I'd say you are a perfect example of someone who's bad lipids would rise on orals.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

HORSE SHIT!!! If you Mega dose fish oil and Krill Oil, omega 3-6-9's, Niacin, etc., etc. They can remain stable. I just had my blood work done early. 5 weeks post cycle which includedTest, Deca, Dbol and Anavar. My lipids wer perfect.
Don't make a broad, brush stroke statement like, "there is nothing you can do about it." Because I'm proof that you are wrong.

"5 weeks post cycle which includedTest, Deca, Dbol and Anavar."

Oops. Showing your lipids were normal 5 weeks post cycle, doesn't prove "they can remain stable." They weren't "stable." Take as much of that crap as you like and get your lipids checked on cycle and they will be shit, just as I said. Hence, my comment on the importance of cycling. Please try to read my posts more carefully in the future.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Taking cholesterol lowering supps wasn't part of the question...

BUT... If you had to MEGA DOSE fish oil krill oil , Omega 3,6,9 AND niacin to to keep your ldl and hdl normal then I'd say you are a perfect example of someone who's bad lipids would rise on orals.

Here is a good reader.

 

[manboy]

I'm no vet, but my total didn't get too bad...but it's the ratio that becomes fucked. My HDL dropped to 20 and LDL up to 180 in as little as 2 weeks on winny. FYI my hdl usually ran the norm 40ish and my ldl at 70-80. I would say I'm on the extreme end of the spectrum on being affected, but I'm only 27 and always have good levels. I would say tons of omega-3 even if you aren't as sensitive as me.

 

[halfcenturian]

OK. Steroids cause Gyno! TRUE!

OOOH....You didn't mention that you need to take anti-estrogen supplements to prevent it...

Come on, man....You know what I'm saying. I don't want to debate this.

Everyone reacts differently. In my case, because I take preventative supplements, I don't have lipid or liver issues. Good night.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

OK. Steroids cause Gyno! TRUE!

OOOH....You didn't mention that you need to take anti-estrogen supplements to prevent it...

Come on, man....You know what I'm saying. I don't want to debate this.

Everyone reacts differently. In my case, because I take preventative supplements, I don't have lipid or liver issues. Good night.

Yes, you are saying your lipids can recover from the shit hole they are put into by orals and some injectables. That, of course, is no great insight. We all know that.

You indeed do have "lipid issues" when you are on - that's why you have to take the massive supplements to recover them after your cycle. During the time on cycle when your HDL is suppressed and LDL is high, that lovely plaque is forming in your arteries, and recovery of a good profile ain't gonna remove it, sorry. (Arterial plaque, btw, is the yucky stuff that broke off from Tim Russert's artery and dropped him at 58). If a person does a couple cycles a year over the years, this certainly can have a cumulative effect. Now someday a drug company, god bless them, might invent a drug that can safely move arterial plaque, and make billions of dollars. (Pfizer was hopeful about a recent candidate, but unfortunately it ended up killing more people than it helped.) But if you are really a half centurian, who knows if it will happen in your lifetime. Meanwhile, I guess people can find solace in the false security of supplements. ;-)

 

[halfcenturian]

Yes, you are saying your lipids can recover from the shit hole they are put into by orals and some injectables. That, of course, is no great insight. We all know that.

You indeed do have "lipid issues" when you are on - that's why you have to take the massive supplements to recover them after your cycle. During the time on cycle when your HDL is suppressed and LDL is high, that lovely plaque is forming in your arteries, and recovery of a good profile ain't gonna remove it, sorry. (Arterial plaque, btw, is the yucky stuff that broke off from Tim Russert's artery and dropped him at 58). If a person does a couple cycles a year over the years, this certainly can have a cumulative effect. Now someday a drug company, god bless them, might invent a drug that can safely move arterial plaque, and make billions of dollars. (Pfizer was hopeful about a recent candidate, but unfortunately it ended up killing more people than it helped.) But if you are really a half centurian, who knows if it will happen in your lifetime. Meanwhile, I guess people can find solace in the false security of supplements. ;-)

Do you have a copy of my medical Chart ??? LOL!

I'll be 52, junior... You, INDEED, are an arrogant ass. I had a heart scan, you can google it. My coronary arterties were 95% clean!
YOU may want to have a head scan.
I have worked in the medical field for over 20 years. My Dr. says my cardiovascular system, and lipid panels, are like that of a healthy 30 year old.

So people, take solace in knowing not to listen to people who don't know what they are talking about. And presume to know YOUR medical background. Do your own homework and take the necessary precautions to avoid liver and lipid issues.

 

[Burpees]

Why even consider orals?

 

[gjohnson5]

Did you have the heart scan while on?
Did you have the lipid panel test while on?
Were you on all those fish oils and such before you took the test?

You need to relax. Noone is callinng you a liar, we're just saying that if you did the tests while on without the cholesterol support you probably would have had low hdl high ldl high total cholesterol and liver enzyme elevation.

Do you have a copy of my medical Chart ??? LOL!

I'll be 52, junior... You, INDEED, are an arrogant ass. I had a heart scan, you can google it. My coronary arterties were 95% clean!
YOU may want to have a head scan.
I have worked in the medical field for over 20 years. My Dr. says my cardiovascular system, and lipid panels, are like that of a healthy 30 year old.

So people, take solace in knowing not to listen to people who don't know what they are talking about. And presume to know YOUR medical background. Do your own homework and take the necessary precautions to avoid liver and lipid issues.