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Can you bros tell me more about it, and if it's legal....I've heard so many people talk about it, but never bothered to ask more details......so, can you guys tell me what it is, how it works, and how much to take? Also, is it legal in any way, shape or form?
 
I can tell you one thing about it.

Customs sent me a letter just the morning say that they were going to hold mine for me. Wasn't that nice of them. They even told me I could come by an pick it up any time I would like.

Nautica:bawling:
 
Hulkster, do a serach for sure, and also check out the Platinum Boards (Best Of Elite)

DNP is legal in some states but not for Human Consuption. Do lots of searching.

Peace
 
SofaGeorge is right... if you are questioning the usage --> Walk away... I posted this in the women's forum... I left some things out... like adding in ECA, or lower dosage longer term cycles... as my knowledge of ADDING those things in aren't really up to par...

INFORMATION FOR EDUCATIONAL USES ONLY!!!!

DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol), has throughout the years gained some popular (and unpopular) press as a fat loss drug. DNP can boost your metabolic rate up to 50%... and people have reported a 10-12lb fat loss in as little as 10 days (on HIGH dosgaes... on a more moderate dose... fat losses would be around 2-3% bf).
Many people think this drug is VERY dangerous... and it is... if misused... basically, there is NO upper-limit to how HIGH your body-temperature can go on this stuff... which means your dosage REALLY has to be watched closely.

I'll skip the HISTORY of this drug... but I will say that in the early 1900's, it was used to ignite TNT... heh heh... which is why you should keep this stored in your basement, or a cool place... if you leave it in LARGE amounts out in the sun... and it dries out ... hehehehehehe

DNP on a Molecular basis accomplishes an AMAZING boost in the metabolic rate through inhibition of the F0F1 ATP synthase molecule, which is located on the inner wall of every mitochondrion.... While the electron transport chain will still pump hydrogen ions into intermembrane space, coupling of the proton gradient to ATP production is rendered impossible by DNP. This results in ATP production being GREATLY reduced... and the energy is then turned into heat. Now, you'll really generate ALOT of heat... so much so, that even being AROUND the person on DNP will make YOU uncomfortable (or your spouse/girlfriend). It's a good thing that this heat does not contribute to total body temperature, but is thrown off the body as radiated heat... in particular, your head. Typical doses of DNP will increase your body temperature by around 1-1.5 degree C... this is good for your CNS and other tissues in your body...because the body heat is radiated off... and not within the body... usage of fans and air conditioning (or opening the windows in winter) can help this... A raise in BODY temperature is a very real danger... a danger that can be addressed through the proper dosage, and following the "rules" of using DNP.

Well... sure.. .DNP is a GREAT fat loss drug right?? But what about the GREAT risks involved??? :)

1. Overheating -- DNP can turn your body into the surface of the sun... meaning that there is no limit to how HOT DNP can make your body... you can literally COOK from within. Dosages of 4-6 times a recommended dose can be LETHAL... overdoses of a smaller variety can cause damage to the brain or other body functions...

2. Carcinogenesis -- 2,4-dinitrophenol has never been accused of being a cancer-causing agent, but many people are concerned... and this is not without warrent. In addition to being a phenol, which has inherent carcenogenic properties... DNP produces free radicals and the releasing of compounds stored in the adipose tissue during the rapid fat losing process of DNP can also be potentially harmful...

Side-Effects??

1. HOT, HOT, HOT -- I can't describe this well enough... you will be VERY uncomfortable... and VERY hot. If you ask someone who has taken DNP before about their experiences... this is the FIRST thing out of their mouth. In the winter time, inside, with the temperatures cool... you can find your SHIRT soaked through with sweat. Take this into consideration if you have a job... you'll look like you just ran a marathon... also, if you plan on dating ... and aren't too "close" with the woman... she'd better get used to your ragged appearence during your usage... (or a guy, if a woman is using).

2. Insomnia -- Many people complain of this... being extremely uncomfortable while taking this can probably explain the reason...
Valerian root or melatonin can help you out with this.

3. Yellow body fluids -- LOL -- if you've taken this, you MAY have noticed your urine, semen or even vaginal (if woman) secretions to have a yellow tone to them... this isn't or hasn't been found to be dangerous in anyway... but it can be a relative side-effect.

4. Soreness of Muscles -- Duchaine has commented that using a weight that will allow you no FEWER than 15 reps, while on DNP, is recommended. When ATP levels drop too low, they can cause soreness of the muscle... adding in heavily encumbered recovery can cause even greater soreness, or even catabolism...

5. Allergic Reactions -- Hives, blisters, and/or inexplicable rashes can occur through the usage of DNP... these are really individualized... and around 5-10% of all DNP users may experience them. If you experience these sides, and they become unbearable... stop taking DNP... or perhaps look into possbile anti-allergenics... perhaps try taking it again... with a lower dosage.. .but I wouldn't KEEP taking.

6. The CARB crave -- needless to say...

When Can you expect to start noticing the effects and symptoms of DNP???

Day 1 -- No real effects, could have some temp increase, or even some carb cravings.

Day 2 -- T3/T4 decreases, you start to feel like you are dragging, temperature raising and others might notice your heat radiation.

Day 3-5 - Heat raises... water retention starts.

Day 6-8 - NOTICEABLE water retention, noticable muscle flatness (due to glycogen depletion) and water retention. Last dosage of DNP should be taken on the evening of day 8.

Day 9-10 -- DNP starts clearing out of the system.

Day 11-12 -- Water leaving system now... use of some diauretics can speed up this process... you can notice more muscular and cardiovascular endurance.

Day 13-14 -- Looking GOOD! :) Glycogen is back, and most of the water retention is gone!! :)

*** Results typical with Crystal DNP, Powder takes longer to activate and effect... ***

PROPER DOSAGE --

It is relatively EASY to start off with a proper dosage... it is always safer to ERR on the side of too-little than too much, especially if you are a 1st time user and do not know if you are allergic to DNP. A typically lean bodybuilder who weighs around 220lbs can expect to use between 300-500mg of DNP per day... not all at once now... :), More experienced users have commented on using around 800mg per day. 1st time users find that they have lost 3-5lbs of fat per week with as little as 200mg of DNP!! You should never take more than 300mg at a time. If you were taking 600mg a day... you should probably split it up to be in early evening and then again about an 30min-1hour before bedtime... typical usage periods range around 7-8 days... and then another 7-8 days off... this won't affect the thyroid and the addtion of any T3/T4 will be unnecessary... T4/T3 conversion does decrease largely in the liver... due to the high temperature increases. You could experience, after 3-5 days, no more increase in your temperature... even though you are still on DNP... this is because the decrease in the t 3 could signal more production of it... either on a prolonged cycle or subsequent dnp cycle... Taking a LOOONG cycle, can cause the muscle fibers to be strained and starved of ATP... thus, leading to possible catabolism....

**** SUPPLEMENTATION*** this is important to the safe-usage of DNP...

***Information taken from DNP Manuel***
Magnesium (1500mg)
Vitamin C (3000mg in divided doses)
Vitamin E (1200 IU in divided doses)
Glutathione (200mg in divided doses)
NAC (various amounts)
T3 (dose according to personal preference)
Calcium (2000mg not taken with the Magnesium)
5-HTP (if not on antidepressant medication) (various amounts)Meridia, Redux, or Fenfluramine (various amounts)
Hydroxycitric Acid (particularly in the evenings to curb cravings)Pyruvate (2-6g/day in divided doses)
Glycerol (3 tbsp/day in divided doses)
Alpha-Lipoic Acid (500-1000mg daily in divided doses)

Of these.. .the first three are necessary for DNP program
Gluthathione is of particular importance for women in prevention of possible cataracts
5-HTP, Meridia, Redux, Fenfluramine, Hydroxycitric Acid -- are for appetite suppression... use at your own discretion.


More considerations???

1. Use fans at night... have one pointing at your head... as that is where most of the heat shoots out of... I also prefer to have a fan blowing on my body... actually.. one on each side of my body, and I sleep on my side. :)

2. Wear loose, light clothing... kinda goes without saying, but you can "breath better".

3. Clean your sheet -- you are going to be SWEATING profusely at night... you should wash them daily... your pillow cases... maybe even your pillows... spare pillows? This is to not only prevent your bed from smelling like a gym-bag... but cleanliness also prevents the spreading of disease and the smelling of your bed like DNP... ack! Keep in mind, you should be washing your clothes too... (sheets!), as your immune system is MUCH lower while on DNP and you are more susceptible to infection.

4. Hydrate your muscles -- I know I've drank over a gallon of water per day... Glycerol helps in keeping your muscles hydrated... which is important, because even slightly dehydrated muscles can cause a catabolic effect.

5. Doing cardio -- I would suggest doing LIGHT cardio for around 30 minutes... with a FAN blowing directly on you. This veries from PERson to person... I've heard of people doing HARD cardio for the same length of time while on it... if you start getting really weak.. .then stop! :) If you are getting weak and you feel like you can't stand up... you may have to eat some candy quickly to give you some "living" energy... which is why I like to stay on a LIGHT cardio scale... no need to PUSH it ... let the DNP do it's work :)

6. Diet... while many think there is no general guideline... I would keep my diet at 50% carbohydrates (CLEAN!), 20% fats, and 30% protiens. Carbs feul the ATP process... or LACK thereof... thereby FEULING the heating effect... ergo... more burning via ATP inhibitation.

Basically, the more carbs you eat, the hotter you will get... you could eat an even diet of 40/30/30 but... hey... it's 3:40am... :)

Experienced an anabolic rebound effect?? -- I'm not quite sure what causes this... but I have heard of it happening... I have not experienced it... but it could be caused by several factors... that I will get into once I GET this effect LOL.

DNP is a POWERFUL fat burning tool, but that doesn't mean it is the BEST for everyone... and it doesn't mean, by any means, that it is safe... but that doesn't change the fact that DNP is not the most effective fat burning tool that is out there now.

C-ditty
 
nautica said:
Hey, I'm not getting any sympathy here.

Nautica

You are right... they are muther fuckers dude... holding your shit... those buttercup, muther fucker, sonsabitches....

Ahh well... at least you won't sweat now. :)

c-ditty
 
DNP = dead...IMHO
 
sorry to hear that about the letter..


nautica said:
I can tell you one thing about it.

Customs sent me a letter just the morning say that they were going to hold mine for me. Wasn't that nice of them. They even told me I could come by an pick it up any time I would like.

Nautica:bawling:
 
HULKSTER said:
Can you bros tell me more about it, and if it's legal....I've heard so many people talk about it, but never bothered to ask more details......so, can you guys tell me what it is, how it works, and how much to take? Also, is it legal in any way, shape or form?

I hear you can get it over the counter at an Indian reservation.
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This is my third time running DNP and this time is definitely the easiest so far. Days 1-4 200mg and now on day 5 at 400mg. I feel great ... probably because I am also doing 50mg/winstrol everyday. I've noticed a huge differnce in my energy level and nice lack of sluggishness.
 
Rippeddrago said:
This is my third time running DNP and this time is definitely the easiest so far. Days 1-4 200mg and now on day 5 at 400mg. I feel great ... probably because I am also doing 50mg/winstrol everyday. I've noticed a huge differnce in my energy level and nice lack of sluggishness.

Cool, mind listing some of the supplements, water intake and diet you are using along with your cycle?

C-ditty
 
It is legal in most states, but as kronk stated not for Human Consumption so as soon as its capped its illegal.

As for a beginning cycle try it at 200mg for the first 3 days if all is ok meaning you can stand the sides (sweating, no energy etc...) then increas it to 400mg and run for the next 4 days just don't run it pass 7 days.

I run it mostly at the end of my cycles to get rid of any extra fat accumulated-works great-in fact I just finished up a cycle like the one I mentioned above and dropped 6lbs and strength stayed the same.
 
2 gallons of water/day. Milk thistle, quercitin, pyruvate, cran. extract, grape seed extract, calcium/magn. , multi-v, selenium, E, C, ALA, MSN Glucosamine/Chondroitin.
2000 cals/day mostly protein... 25 grams of carbs post-workout.
 
50/30/20... carbs/protein/fat... carbs actually feed the process that "burns" fat... the more carbs that are in your system... the more the ATP process is inhibited... thus, creating more heat (consequently... the heat... is not what "burns" the fat)... but the ATP inhibitation is increased...

C-ditty
 
My first cycle, I followed Spellwin's 7 Day Inferno to the letter... carb depleting for 3 days prior and I also took in lots of fruit and drank Pepsi for carbs throughout the cycle. This cycle was by far THE MOST EFFECTIVE, as I sweat buckets and lost the most fat.
The weight stayed off, and I actually lost 5 more pounds before the next cycle.

14 days later I did another cycle. This second cycle diet was just a fruitless 60/30/10 carbs/pro/fat ration at lbm 10x, using potatoes and oatmeal for carbs. I did not carb deplete beforehand. I sweat plenty, but not near as much as the 1st cycle. Same batch of dnp, same dosage and cycle time. I lost maybe half of what I lost on the 1st cycle. I wonder if the increased weight loss on the first cylce was due to the extra heat generated by the fructose carbs, the carb depleting, or wonder if the the second and subsequent cycles tend to decrease in effectiveness... I also had a mild case of hives (an allergic reaction). Benadryl did nothing. Claritin finally knocked it out almost immediately.

14 days later, I started the 3on/4off approach and the results were similar to the second cycle, but only minor sweating and sluggishness. Andy13 was right, at least for me... I also took 2grams/day of Quercitin to hopefully reduce the risk of another allergic reaction, but a few days after the last dnp dose, the itching started. Again, Claritin zapped it.

No more DNP adventures for now, but may try 200mg/day for 14 days if I ever decide to try it again.
 
Eating carbs doesnt matter much, you still only get about 2-4 ATP net from the ETC, no matter how many carbs you eat, the other 32 ATP arent made and the energy that would be made is thrown off as heat. Heat goes up and thermogenisis goes up, but the body will try to get more ATP from fat no matter how many carbs you eat. Less carbs to me means more comfortable DNP cycle.
 
"Eating carbs doesnt matter much, you still only get about 2-4 ATP net from the ETC, no matter how many carbs you eat, the other 32 ATP arent made and the energy that would be made is thrown off as heat. Heat goes up and thermogenisis goes up, but the body will try to get more ATP from fat no matter how many carbs you eat. Less carbs to me means more comfortable DNP cycle."

You are correct. Eating more carbs does NOT = more fat loss!!!

This debate regarding the need for carbs while using dnp has been, still is, and will be a never-ending one!!!!

:rolleyes:
 
Rippeddrago said:
Citrus.. so the heat doesn't cause the fat burning, but carbs still need to be up to fuel the fat burning process?

I don't think the "heat" causes the fat loss... DNP does not act like a themogenic... meaning... it does not act to raise the internal body temperature of your body... but it CAN. The heat DNP generates is more radial... if you have a fan blowing on you, or can stay cool... you will radiate heat, but yoru bodytemperature, inside, will not go out... also, adding in proper water consumption to keep the "heat" down. Themogenics actually increase the body-heat... at least that is my understanding of them...

DNP acts as an ATP-inhibitor... the "burning" process happens at teh mitochondria of a cell...

Eating higher carbs, from all I have read and discussed with experts, feuls the process by creating more energy creating calories... that will, in turn, be further inhibited... thus... generating more heat.

I'm not sure I stated that, but I am in a hurry and need to get ready to go out. :)

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:



Eating higher carbs, from all I have read and discussed with experts, feuls the process by creating more energy creating calories... that will, in turn, be further inhibited... thus... generating more heat.


seriously, there are just as many "experts" on this board that will say you don't need to have a diet consisting of 50% carbs.
 
The Nature Boy said:



seriously, there are just as many "experts" on this board that will say you don't need to have a diet consisting of 50% carbs.

the key word here is "diet" meaning what you eat meaning the total number of calories should be what matters.....
 
Its like this......
Carbs are broken down in glycolysis and the krebs cycle to produce ATP as energy. DNP uncouples the ETC inhibiting the creation of ATP from carbs, thus carbs become usless in terms of producing energy, so carbs become basically worthless. The body compensates for the extreme loss of ATP by breaking down fat and using it to try to get ATP, even though it still only gets about 4 net, it trys hard cuz the body is starving, so it burns a shitload of fat indesperation for glucose to use for ATP. Eating more carbs just takes away from the fat burning process, and makes you hot as hell in the process from all the H+ ions (i think) that are released.
So, carbs on DNP has no real benefits, only detriments.
 
It's rather simple, the less you eat the more fat you lose. Just keep your protein around the same as your bodyweight and drink an occasional pepsi (or some high fructose drink) when you feel lethargic.

-sk
 
Radical Ice said:
My first cycle, I followed Spellwin's 7 Day Inferno to the letter... carb depleting for 3 days prior and I also took in lots of fruit and drank Pepsi for carbs throughout the cycle. This cycle was by far THE MOST EFFECTIVE, as I sweat buckets and lost the most fat.
The weight stayed off, and I actually lost 5 more pounds before the next cycle.

14 days later I did another cycle. This second cycle diet was just a fruitless 60/30/10 carbs/pro/fat ration at lbm 10x, using potatoes and oatmeal for carbs. I did not carb deplete beforehand. I sweat plenty, but not near as much as the 1st cycle. Same batch of dnp, same dosage and cycle time. I lost maybe half of what I lost on the 1st cycle. I wonder if the increased weight loss on the first cylce was due to the extra heat generated by the fructose carbs, the carb depleting, or wonder if the the second and subsequent cycles tend to decrease in effectiveness... I also had a mild case of hives (an allergic reaction). Benadryl did nothing. Claritin finally knocked it out almost immediately.

14 days later, I started the 3on/4off approach and the results were similar to the second cycle, but only minor sweating and sluggishness. Andy13 was right, at least for me... I also took 2grams/day of Quercitin to hopefully reduce the risk of another allergic reaction, but a few days after the last dnp dose, the itching started. Again, Claritin zapped it.

No more DNP adventures for now, but may try 200mg/day for 14 days if I ever decide to try it again.

Well the lower bodyfat you have the more dnp you will need to get even lower, so that could have been one reason you didn't lose as much in the second and third cycles. How were your calories from cycle to cycle?

-sk
 
nautica said:
I can tell you one thing about it.

Customs sent me a letter just the morning say that they were going to hold mine for me. Wasn't that nice of them. They even told me I could come by an pick it up any time I would like.

Nautica:bawling:

Nautica--thats sucks man--but i got to tell ya that i laughed damn hard when i read your quote
 
instead of eating so many carbs, would it be more beneficial to eat a diet much higher in protien with moderate carbs and low fat?

say a 50/30/20 Protein/Carbs/Fat diet? this way you are still getting enough glucose for the minimal ATP production, yet you are still consuming the protein requirements to get enough amino acids to feed your muscles. is this even necessary since DNP is relatively muscle sparing?
 
The Nature Boy said:



seriously, there are just as many "experts" on this board that will say you don't need to have a diet consisting of 50% carbs.

Probably, but in my experience... and the experience of the guy who invented crystal dnp... 50% carbs is better.

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:


Probably, but in my experience... and the experience of the guy who invented crystal dnp... 50% carbs is better.

C-ditty

Ouch, 50% carbs and expect to be a walking shower at least on 400-600mg dnp. Less calories and the less you will feel like shit. A lot of these "gurus" who said they like high carbs have retracted their statements.

Btw, noone invented dnp.

-sk
 
bigrand said:
Its like this......
Carbs are broken down in glycolysis and the krebs cycle to produce ATP as energy. DNP uncouples the ETC inhibiting the creation of ATP from carbs, thus carbs become usless in terms of producing energy, so carbs become basically worthless. The body compensates for the extreme loss of ATP by breaking down fat and using it to try to get ATP, even though it still only gets about 4 net, it trys hard cuz the body is starving, so it burns a shitload of fat indesperation for glucose to use for ATP. Eating more carbs just takes away from the fat burning process, and makes you hot as hell in the process from all the H+ ions (i think) that are released.
So, carbs on DNP has no real benefits, only detriments.

Nicely stated bro.....God you brought back BAD memories of Biochemistry :(
 
bigrand said:
Its like this......
Carbs are broken down in glycolysis and the krebs cycle to produce ATP as energy. DNP uncouples the ETC inhibiting the creation of ATP from carbs, thus carbs become usless in terms of producing energy, so carbs become basically worthless. The body compensates for the extreme loss of ATP by breaking down fat and using it to try to get ATP, even though it still only gets about 4 net, it trys hard cuz the body is starving, so it burns a shitload of fat indesperation for glucose to use for ATP. Eating more carbs just takes away from the fat burning process, and makes you hot as hell in the process from all the H+ ions (i think) that are released.
So, carbs on DNP has no real benefits, only detriments.

so would you recommend a diet consisting pretty much entirely of protein? low carbs, low fats with maybe some fruit thrown in to help keep liver glycogen levels up? would fruit even be necessary with glycerin?
 
do you mean glycerin or glycerol?
DNP will be effective no matter what amount of carbs you eat, the only real noticable difference is that the more carbs you eat, the hotter you get, so to be more comfortable, cut back on carbs. They are pointless, considering you dont get any of the energy normaly produced in glycolysis.
Some fruit is good every once and awhile....
 
Glycer"ol" is actually a pure chemical product (which shows that it is an alcohol "ol"), while Glycerine is an impure commercial product (a bi-product of soap used in many moisturizers).

This is a technical complexity, however there is a slight variance.
 
According to the Merck Index (and other online sources) they are the same chemical.

Formula: C3H8O3

HOCH2CH(OH)CH2OH

CA No.: 56-81-5
 
it my understanding that its legal to buy but not to consume. mainly becasue alot of the time its used as a pesticide or in industrial factories. a lot of those site i wouldnt trust though. im having trouble finding a reliable source who that has that anyway.
 
good read Engi

Never considered glycerol as part of my carb intake, i only take a few spoonfuls a day with water anyway.
Id say carbs from glycerol would be negligable.
 
Diet--

I have been misquoted an infinite number of times..

Do NOT drink Pepsi as you please..

Do NOT eat as many carbs as you please..

Do NOT eat as many cals as you please...

The diet is simple.. Eat low-low cals...

Eat fructose carbs (Pepsi) ONLY when you need energy..

Otherwise, utilize your cals in the form of protein and fat.

My (still) favorite is the "DNP blitz" which has survived the test of time..

Key points are:

1) Do NOT carb deplete... Such a suggestion is utterly absurd and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of energenitcs. You feel like shit because your carb stores are depleted... NOT because "DNP is working." You are better off NOT "feeling DNP work"

2) Do NOT do cardio for the first day or two.

3) EAT low-low cals... ONLY consume fructose when you feel low-low energy.

Andy
 
bigrand said:
good read Engi

Never considered glycerol as part of my carb intake, i only take a few spoonfuls a day with water anyway.
Id say carbs from glycerol would be negligable.

I probably would not count a few tablespoons either. I'm not sure how many cals/gram glycerol yields but it may be similar to carbs. During a diet (or DNP), your liver will convert glycerol to glucose in a series of reactions.. I have to believe that fructose may give the same result.

Andy
 
Andy13 said:


I probably would not count a few tablespoons either. I'm not sure how many cals/gram glycerol yields but it may be similar to carbs. During a diet (or DNP), your liver will convert glycerol to glucose in a series of reactions.. I have to believe that fructose may give the same result.

Andy

A couple tablespoons adds up to ~150 cals (at least that's what the back of my "glycerol fuel" tells me)

2 tbsp = 30ml = 38g/glycerol

Over on this site:

http://www.ijp-online.com/archives/1973/005/04/r0442-0444ra.pdf

It says glycerol contains 4.32 calories/G (Hanke, 1953)


While on DNP I'd just stick with fruit (certain kinds) and some glycerol......no need to go nuts with them though :-P
 
I've got a little time now that summer is here... I'll be around for a while..

Aside, I like some of the changes that have occured here... "Elitefitness chemistry" is a bloody brilliant idea... It seems to me that someone suggested this years ago.. Ah well... It's about time... This will put Elite above all others.

Andy
 
Elitefitness chemistry? Shit, you know im down for that. Well Andy, arent you gonna finish your disscusion with NFG123 on DNP? Im gonna run all the stuff you bros talked about to my chem teacher (former pharmacokinetist) and see if he could tell me something cool...!
 
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