Dnp

[Radical Ice]

My first cycle, I followed Spellwin's 7 Day Inferno to the letter... carb depleting for 3 days prior and I also took in lots of fruit and drank Pepsi for carbs throughout the cycle. This cycle was by far THE MOST EFFECTIVE, as I sweat buckets and lost the most fat.
The weight stayed off, and I actually lost 5 more pounds before the next cycle.

14 days later I did another cycle. This second cycle diet was just a fruitless 60/30/10 carbs/pro/fat ration at lbm 10x, using potatoes and oatmeal for carbs. I did not carb deplete beforehand. I sweat plenty, but not near as much as the 1st cycle. Same batch of dnp, same dosage and cycle time. I lost maybe half of what I lost on the 1st cycle. I wonder if the increased weight loss on the first cylce was due to the extra heat generated by the fructose carbs, the carb depleting, or wonder if the the second and subsequent cycles tend to decrease in effectiveness... I also had a mild case of hives (an allergic reaction). Benadryl did nothing. Claritin finally knocked it out almost immediately.

14 days later, I started the 3on/4off approach and the results were similar to the second cycle, but only minor sweating and sluggishness. Andy13 was right, at least for me... I also took 2grams/day of Quercitin to hopefully reduce the risk of another allergic reaction, but a few days after the last dnp dose, the itching started. Again, Claritin zapped it.

No more DNP adventures for now, but may try 200mg/day for 14 days if I ever decide to try it again.

 

[Rippeddrago]

Citrus.. so the heat doesn't cause the fat burning, but carbs still need to be up to fuel the fat burning process?

 

[bigrand]

Eating carbs doesnt matter much, you still only get about 2-4 ATP net from the ETC, no matter how many carbs you eat, the other 32 ATP arent made and the energy that would be made is thrown off as heat. Heat goes up and thermogenisis goes up, but the body will try to get more ATP from fat no matter how many carbs you eat. Less carbs to me means more comfortable DNP cycle.

 

[Rippeddrago]

Thanks Bigrand.. that was exactly why I was doing low carbs.. cool.

 

[drveejay11]

"Eating carbs doesnt matter much, you still only get about 2-4 ATP net from the ETC, no matter how many carbs you eat, the other 32 ATP arent made and the energy that would be made is thrown off as heat. Heat goes up and thermogenisis goes up, but the body will try to get more ATP from fat no matter how many carbs you eat. Less carbs to me means more comfortable DNP cycle."

You are correct. Eating more carbs does NOT = more fat loss!!!

This debate regarding the need for carbs while using dnp has been, still is, and will be a never-ending one!!!!

 

[Citruscide]

Citrus.. so the heat doesn't cause the fat burning, but carbs still need to be up to fuel the fat burning process?

I don't think the "heat" causes the fat loss... DNP does not act like a themogenic... meaning... it does not act to raise the internal body temperature of your body... but it CAN. The heat DNP generates is more radial... if you have a fan blowing on you, or can stay cool... you will radiate heat, but yoru bodytemperature, inside, will not go out... also, adding in proper water consumption to keep the "heat" down. Themogenics actually increase the body-heat... at least that is my understanding of them...

DNP acts as an ATP-inhibitor... the "burning" process happens at teh mitochondria of a cell...

Eating higher carbs, from all I have read and discussed with experts, feuls the process by creating more energy creating calories... that will, in turn, be further inhibited... thus... generating more heat.

I'm not sure I stated that, but I am in a hurry and need to get ready to go out.

C-ditty

 

[the nature boy]

Eating higher carbs, from all I have read and discussed with experts, feuls the process by creating more energy creating calories... that will, in turn, be further inhibited... thus... generating more heat.

seriously, there are just as many "experts" on this board that will say you don't need to have a diet consisting of 50% carbs.

 

[OXANDRIN]

seriously, there are just as many "experts" on this board that will say you don't need to have a diet consisting of 50% carbs.

the key word here is "diet" meaning what you eat meaning the total number of calories should be what matters.....

 

[bigrand]

Its like this......
Carbs are broken down in glycolysis and the krebs cycle to produce ATP as energy. DNP uncouples the ETC inhibiting the creation of ATP from carbs, thus carbs become usless in terms of producing energy, so carbs become basically worthless. The body compensates for the extreme loss of ATP by breaking down fat and using it to try to get ATP, even though it still only gets about 4 net, it trys hard cuz the body is starving, so it burns a shitload of fat indesperation for glucose to use for ATP. Eating more carbs just takes away from the fat burning process, and makes you hot as hell in the process from all the H+ ions (i think) that are released.
So, carbs on DNP has no real benefits, only detriments.

 

[sk*]

It's rather simple, the less you eat the more fat you lose. Just keep your protein around the same as your bodyweight and drink an occasional pepsi (or some high fructose drink) when you feel lethargic.

-sk