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Is 2,4-Dinitrophenol Sodium Salt the same as crystal DNP? Is it messy and does it cause yellow stains like powdered DNP?
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The fact that it was used as a pesticide is irrelevant. Radioactive substances kill people right? We use them in bombs right? But at the same time, when used correctly, they can save lives too. Look at all the people who are still alive after having cancer only because they went thru radiation treatment. It saved their lives.
Now, I understand you have a lot of posts, and I am new to this forum, but please, please try to think before you talk. It will make people think more highly of you.
Now that we have that part clear. DNP isn't such a dangerous drug when it is used properly. If not used properly yeah its dangerous as hell, but when someone uses it correctly, it works like nothing else. It works great even though the side effects are uncomfortable. Theres very very little chance of long term side effects such as cataracts, and even then, it seems to be almost in women exclusively. And on top of everything, it has been around for a very long time so there is a lot of information and studies on it so we know a lot about it compared to some of the newer drugs bodybuilders use.
Now, I understand you have a lot of posts, and I am new to this forum, but please, please try to think before you talk. It will make people think more highly of you.
Now that we have that part clear. DNP isn't such a dangerous drug when it is used properly. If not used properly yeah its dangerous as hell, but when someone uses it correctly, it works like nothing else. It works great even though the side effects are uncomfortable. Theres very very little chance of long term side effects such as cataracts, and even then, it seems to be almost in women exclusively. And on top of everything, it has been around for a very long time so there is a lot of information and studies on it so we know a lot about it compared to some of the newer drugs bodybuilders use.
superdave said:
zipzster00 said:
Guess you better tell razorguns and poysyn to think before they talk also. What I can tell you is Ive known of at least one bro whose died from dnp, and razorguns almost died. And thats just from this board. There are so many other ways to accomplish what you want without that shit, you might have to just work harder.
DJLegacy2k1
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I dont think anyone on this board says DNP is a good idea any more....for any reason.
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zipzster00
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I understand and appreciate all of your concerns. Thats what good board members are for and thats why I visit this board. I am truly sorry that you guys had bad experiences with DNP. As with any drug, there are good results for some users, and bad for others. This happens to be a drug with dangerous side effects and extra precation must be taken. I am still considering using it because so many people have done it safely, and I am planning to do a short cycle of only a week starting with 200mg and ending with 200mg, I am not planning to go any higher at any point.
And about working harder, I have been. I lost 45 pounds, I am at 11% bodyfat, I just have a little bit of fat on my stomach and chest, a very little bit, my trainer says its only about 2 pounds of fat at most, my body wont let go of it. I have followed all the diets posted here and on other sites. I have done all the cardio and weight training. I have even started to do HIIT and jumproping. I just dont know what to do past all this because nothing is really working and thats why I am thinking about DNP.
Also, I have tried an ECA stack, doesnt do much for me. I dont want to try clen because its bad for your heart, and I'm not going to mess with my thyroid function so I am not interested in T3/T4.
And sorry about the earlier post about thinking before your talk, I didnt intend to sound so mean.
And about working harder, I have been. I lost 45 pounds, I am at 11% bodyfat, I just have a little bit of fat on my stomach and chest, a very little bit, my trainer says its only about 2 pounds of fat at most, my body wont let go of it. I have followed all the diets posted here and on other sites. I have done all the cardio and weight training. I have even started to do HIIT and jumproping. I just dont know what to do past all this because nothing is really working and thats why I am thinking about DNP.
Also, I have tried an ECA stack, doesnt do much for me. I dont want to try clen because its bad for your heart, and I'm not going to mess with my thyroid function so I am not interested in T3/T4.
And sorry about the earlier post about thinking before your talk, I didnt intend to sound so mean.
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thewinkshow
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clen aint bad compared with dnp,if u are willing to take dnp id at least have a go with clen first as its very mild in comparison.stay away from dnp trust me,
would u rather:
be 11% bodyfat,or
dead
would u rather:
be 11% bodyfat,or
dead
DJLegacy2k1
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You dont need DNP man. Yes any drug can be safe if done right, there are lots of illegal drugs that wont kill you if done "properly" that doesnt mean its a good idea or that they are worth it. You have other options, and if I were you Id start talking about some other options, safer, and effective...There is really no reason to use DNP...
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You arent willing to mess with thyroid but you are willing to risk a trip to the ER or death or other permanent unknown effects? Sometimes we get too wrapped up in our own goals and desires when it comes to bodybuilding, and common sense sometimes suffers as a result, I am guilty of this in my own way. If everyone on here says you shouldnt do it are you going to do it anyhow?zipzster00 said:
ive done a cycle of dnp and was fine
400mgs a day wasnt fun though and ive decided to do another 20-3 wk cycle of 200mgs a day max
i lost aroun 8lb in 1 week, my belt loop went down one notch, and my quads and abs got pretty defined
its all about moderation, which usually doesnt apply to heavy duty juicers
im sorry i cant help you with your ? but ive sent you a pm
400mgs a day wasnt fun though and ive decided to do another 20-3 wk cycle of 200mgs a day max
i lost aroun 8lb in 1 week, my belt loop went down one notch, and my quads and abs got pretty defined
its all about moderation, which usually doesnt apply to heavy duty juicers
im sorry i cant help you with your ? but ive sent you a pm
zipzster00
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Once again, thank you for your concern. The reason I will never mess with my thyroid is because my cousin who is a pharmacist told me never ever to mess with it. I understand many have safely used T3/T4 and have had quick recovery of their own thyroid production, but he said never to mess with it and I trust him more than most doctors.
I totally agree with you with the risk of ending up in the ER, but with careful monitoring and a low dose (200mg daily for a week), I havnt heard of anyone ending up in the ER. Its only when they upped the dose. There is very low chance of any permanent side effects and from what I understand, the only one really is cataracts, and thats almost exclusivly in women, and is quite rare in women also. I believe its in 1% of women and 0.1% of men and thats when DNP was used for a long period of time. With the drug being around for so long, I believe we know of all the long term side effects and there really arent any unknowns here. Once again, I'm talking about 200mg doses, of course theres gunna be serious side effects, short or long term in high doses.
I guess I did get wrapped up in my goals, its pretty much because I am going to Cancun in a week and a half and wanted to have my 6 pack show, I have the muscles developed, just a little bit of fat over them that needs to go.
I totally agree with you with the risk of ending up in the ER, but with careful monitoring and a low dose (200mg daily for a week), I havnt heard of anyone ending up in the ER. Its only when they upped the dose. There is very low chance of any permanent side effects and from what I understand, the only one really is cataracts, and thats almost exclusivly in women, and is quite rare in women also. I believe its in 1% of women and 0.1% of men and thats when DNP was used for a long period of time. With the drug being around for so long, I believe we know of all the long term side effects and there really arent any unknowns here. Once again, I'm talking about 200mg doses, of course theres gunna be serious side effects, short or long term in high doses.
I guess I did get wrapped up in my goals, its pretty much because I am going to Cancun in a week and a half and wanted to have my 6 pack show, I have the muscles developed, just a little bit of fat over them that needs to go.
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zipzster00
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lol, not its not even that, I got girls when I weighed 45-50 pounds more than today, its just that I would feel more comfortable and confident walking on the beach or with my shirt of if I had a rock hard stomach. And it would definetly help out that DNP makes your thyroid hormones jump temporarily after you get off of it, because I'm going to be eating a hell of a lot there.
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zipzster00
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Ummm, not really, I would probably know if I had an issue, I was a psychology major. Who doesnt want a 6 pack? I think thats a major goal that all people who bodybuild try to get at, or at least probably the most common one.
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zipzster00
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Wow, finally someone has my back! Where are all the rest of the people that believe in DNP?? Yeah I'm against clen too cuz the effects it has on heart cells.
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Ya man...I'm not sure why so many say it is dangerous. It's danger is dose-dependent. Find a good supplier who accurately measures his DNP, and start at the lowest dose working your way up to a moderate level. That's all there is to it and it's perfectly safe.
If you pop a gram of the stuff because some guy on a bodybuilding forum did, then you might have some trouble. That would be pretty stupid though.
If you pop a gram of the stuff because some guy on a bodybuilding forum did, then you might have some trouble. That would be pretty stupid though.
DJLegacy2k1
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This thread depresses me.... :-/
Razorguns
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problem is : people don't see results with 200mg.
so they get ticked and think 'hey let me just ump it up a bit won't hurt'
and that's when problems set in. by the time u realize it - it's too late.
behind this post is a real person, with a real life and real stories to tell. i'm not posing or posting this for fun. if u were i'd show u the ER papers. i'm not bullshitting.
wanna lose weight??? hit the treadmill and run run and keep running. don't leave the gym til you're DRENCHED in sweat. do it every single freakin' day. 2 miles, 4 miles, 7 miles, etc.
watch the lbs melt off. way safer than dnp and prolly faster.
r
so they get ticked and think 'hey let me just ump it up a bit won't hurt'
and that's when problems set in. by the time u realize it - it's too late.
behind this post is a real person, with a real life and real stories to tell. i'm not posing or posting this for fun. if u were i'd show u the ER papers. i'm not bullshitting.
wanna lose weight??? hit the treadmill and run run and keep running. don't leave the gym til you're DRENCHED in sweat. do it every single freakin' day. 2 miles, 4 miles, 7 miles, etc.
watch the lbs melt off. way safer than dnp and prolly faster.
r
zipzster00
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Dude, I'm really sorry about what happend to you, did you just take too much and get too hot? Did a cold bath not work? What did they do to you at the hospital? Did you tell them what you really took?
I've read you should not increase from 200mg for at least 3 days because of its long half-life. And about the gym thing, bro I run everyday, like I do crazy shit. My ankles are in pain, I still tape them up and even throw a brace on - on top of the tape, and run. Ive changed my routine, took ECA, etc... Now I'm jump roping and doing HIIT, hopefully that will work. And about the sweat part, theres not a single part of my body or clothing that isnt drenched every single time.
I've read you should not increase from 200mg for at least 3 days because of its long half-life. And about the gym thing, bro I run everyday, like I do crazy shit. My ankles are in pain, I still tape them up and even throw a brace on - on top of the tape, and run. Ive changed my routine, took ECA, etc... Now I'm jump roping and doing HIIT, hopefully that will work. And about the sweat part, theres not a single part of my body or clothing that isnt drenched every single time.
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zipzster00
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HIIT I've been doing for a week, jump roping like 4-5 days, just got it.
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if ur DRENCHED after each workout - eat a healthy diet and STILL DON'T LOSE WEIGHT
i'd see a doctor. Either you got a thryoid problem, or your diet is shitty.
in which case even dnp wn't help. Dnp uses the same calories in < calories out formula as well for it's fat loss. it just burns calories just like a heavy handed drenched 2-hour workout would. The end result is the same (except the latter doesn't use increased body temp and other scary processes to do it)
as for the er: 1st visit was sweating, shaking and shortness of breath. 2nd trip: stroke. doctors weren't expecting me to live past 24 hrs. all cuz of some lovely yellow pills!! lol
r
i'd see a doctor. Either you got a thryoid problem, or your diet is shitty.
in which case even dnp wn't help. Dnp uses the same calories in < calories out formula as well for it's fat loss. it just burns calories just like a heavy handed drenched 2-hour workout would. The end result is the same (except the latter doesn't use increased body temp and other scary processes to do it)
as for the er: 1st visit was sweating, shaking and shortness of breath. 2nd trip: stroke. doctors weren't expecting me to live past 24 hrs. all cuz of some lovely yellow pills!! lol
r
A week is way too soon to notice anything. But my question was how long have you been running and just focusing on cardio in general cuz somethings not adding up here. either your diet is jacked up or youve only been doing all this for a short time and are expecting too much too soon.zipzster00 said:
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superdave said:
I go by weight and bodyfat measures everyweek with my trainer. Ive been running for about 6 months, lots almost 50 pounds total. Been changing up my cardio routine every month about. I think maybe I'm expecting too much because my trainer was telling me the last few pounds aren't going to go as easily as the other pounds did, especially since I have little now to lose compared to the lot I had before (used to be like 25-28% BF, somewhere around there).
Going from 50 pounds and 25%+ bodyfat to 11% in 6 months is a big change and your body might not be designed to go beyond that. Some people are naturally skinny and have to do all they can to gain weight and dont go beyond a certain weight, you are the opposite apparently. Just be thankful you achieved what you have because so many people arent able to.zipzster00 said:
Hey folks, I've been following this thread from the start and I was trying to see where it would go before I said anything.. but anyhow,
I took dnp about a year ago, looking back at my journal I was taking 200mg for about a week and I was pretty "warm" all day. I mean I would have to pull my shirt out a couple times and drink some water, but that was basically it.
When I moved up to 400mg I would wake up in a pool of sweat. It was impossible for me to sleep without a fan directly on my face. It is the most uncomfortable, "clammy", feeling I've ever felt. I think I did that for 2 weeks or so.
However dangerous it was, it did work. I did a lot of research on it before even attempting it, and realized it was very easy to literally cook yourself from the inside out.
So in the end I kind of agree with both sides of this discussion. I can see where everyone is coming from and why they are discouraging it, but it does work and if taken very carefully the worst thing that should happen is some serious sweating.
Take it easy guys, and good luck with it zipster.
I took dnp about a year ago, looking back at my journal I was taking 200mg for about a week and I was pretty "warm" all day. I mean I would have to pull my shirt out a couple times and drink some water, but that was basically it.
When I moved up to 400mg I would wake up in a pool of sweat. It was impossible for me to sleep without a fan directly on my face. It is the most uncomfortable, "clammy", feeling I've ever felt. I think I did that for 2 weeks or so.
However dangerous it was, it did work. I did a lot of research on it before even attempting it, and realized it was very easy to literally cook yourself from the inside out.
So in the end I kind of agree with both sides of this discussion. I can see where everyone is coming from and why they are discouraging it, but it does work and if taken very carefully the worst thing that should happen is some serious sweating.
Take it easy guys, and good luck with it zipster.
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lolsuperdave said:
Razorguns
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yep.
and even funnier - u could get the same weight loss by running til you're drenched in sweat every night, taking hoodia or lipoflame to watch your calories, and doing some lifting weights. plus it'll be much safer.
if u threw 20lbs of fat on me - i could lose it just like that by doing the above. i was silly to do dnp when all i had to do was above. and i wouldn't have to risk dying
and even funnier - u could get the same weight loss by running til you're drenched in sweat every night, taking hoodia or lipoflame to watch your calories, and doing some lifting weights. plus it'll be much safer.
if u threw 20lbs of fat on me - i could lose it just like that by doing the above. i was silly to do dnp when all i had to do was above. and i wouldn't have to risk dying
Oh I agree with you both that it wasn't the most healthy thing I've ever done. Like I said it was a year ago, I saw a lot of hype about it and I was curious.
For the way I felt 24 hours a day, it really wasn't worth it because like you said, you could do cardio for 1-2 hours a day and just feel all sweaty for that amount of time.
Anyhow DNP is out there and people are going to continue to use it. I've been there and I'm not going back. However I do feel that the last I can do is share my experience with others to help make it safer.
Take it easy guys,
For the way I felt 24 hours a day, it really wasn't worth it because like you said, you could do cardio for 1-2 hours a day and just feel all sweaty for that amount of time.
Anyhow DNP is out there and people are going to continue to use it. I've been there and I'm not going back. However I do feel that the last I can do is share my experience with others to help make it safer.
Take it easy guys,
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