DNP and ZERO carbs...my experience

[NY Muscle]

The 1st time I did DNP which was given to me by the late great Dan Duchaine, was back in 1996/1997 I was also doing Bodyopus (BO) and I used it for 5 days during the zero carb portion of the diet…I had already lost a lot of fat with BO so I don’t attribute the fat loss during the 5 days of DNP to being on zero carbs.

I ended up losing 7lbs in 5 days, all fat, and I felt GREAT the whole time, I didn’t understand why so many people were bitching and moaning about how crappy you feel on DNP. I did sweat a LOT and was lethargic but nothing like the flu like symptoms and death like feeling that others used to complain about.

So then I’m thinking this is the perfect diet for DNP, no carbs, ketosis + DNP = tons of fat loss….then I was told by a few people that its DANGEROUS to do zero carbs (which may be the case) while on DNP, and I still wonder if that is true.

Then when I finally tried DNP again later that year but not doing zero carbs, I felt like absolute hell, I attribute that to the carbs.

Anyone have any input on whether or not its wise to do no carbs and DNP, my buddy does CKD diets and wants to use DNP for a week on the diet…I was never given a definitive answer back then and all this DNP talk lately has made me curious.

 

[IronFist]

Congrats....What dose were you running? What time of the day did you take them?

 

[NY Muscle]

wow that was YEARS ago...400mg a day for 2-3 days then 600mg for a day then back down, 600mg was too much.

dosing was 11am and 6-7pm.

 

[decadense]

Interesting real-world info. You knew Dan Duchaine?

 

[SofaGeorge]

I just did low carbs and 400 mg DNP crystal for 21 days. I felt great the whole cycle, got drenched at night from the sweats, and dropped 28 lbs. (8 of those lbs were probably water. I started DNP right after a test cycle... so I'm pretty sure I was holding extra water when I started.)

I found that on days that I ate high carbs I seemed to negate the benefits of the DNP to a degree... and on days I stayed low carbs and ate clean I saw the best results.

The interesting thing to me about DNP was the dehydraytion risk. I'm a desert camper. I'm used to extended stays in the desert and understand dehydration very well. I logged my water loss from going to bed at night to waking in the morning. I aveeraged 8-10 lbs weight loss from night till morning each day. That is faster dehydration than you get under desert conditions.

I experimented with dehydration on DNP and found that if I even went one hour into my day on waking without drinking water I would start to feel terrible. My belief is that since most of our population are chronically dehydrated... probably the reason most people have problems with DNP is that they dehydrate without realizing it.

I stress the "without realizing it." I go to Burning Man each year.... a huge festival out in the desert. Every day we have 50 people end up in the medic tent from dehydration... even experienced people. When you ask them about it they will ALL tell you they were drinking plenty of water. Then if you ask their camp mates they will tell you that the person WASN'T drinking regularly. People ALWAYS think they drink more than they do.

 

[SonnyBlack]

thats true bro. Ive done many dnp cycles...and the 1st cycle that i did I remember i ate minimal carbs...like very minimal.Well i lasted 14 days at 600 mgs and had minimal sides and didnt feel entirely bad....plus i lost like 15 pds on it....just wanted to let youknow that i agree with you that maybe minimal carbs is the way to go on dnp. Im thinking of trying another one of these starting next monday...ill keep u all posted.

 

[serge]

The 1st time I did DNP which was given to me by the late great Dan Duchaine, was back in 1996/1997 I was also doing Bodyopus (BO) and I used it for 5 days during the zero carb portion of the diet…I had already lost a lot of fat with BO so I don’t attribute the fat loss during the 5 days of DNP to being on zero carbs.

I ended up losing 7lbs in 5 days, all fat, and I felt GREAT the whole time, I didn’t understand why so many people were bitching and moaning about how crappy you feel on DNP. I did sweat a LOT and was lethargic but nothing like the flu like symptoms and death like feeling that others used to complain about.

So then I’m thinking this is the perfect diet for DNP, no carbs, ketosis + DNP = tons of fat loss….then I was told by a few people that its DANGEROUS to do zero carbs (which may be the case) while on DNP, and I still wonder if that is true.

Then when I finally tried DNP again later that year but not doing zero carbs, I felt like absolute hell, I attribute that to the carbs.

Anyone have any input on whether or not its wise to do no carbs and DNP, my buddy does CKD diets and wants to use DNP for a week on the diet…I was never given a definitive answer back then and all this DNP talk lately has made me curious.

going zero carbs while on dnp is fine, some will say that you are running a chance of going hypo but i think its complete bullshit. personally i can do zero carbs while on dnp, i feel hungry but low carbs definetly take away the shitty feeling

 

[solidspine]

I did one DNP cycle and ate very little to zero carbs, had great results, lost about 10 lbs in 14 days at 500mg per day.


The only really bad side was complete fatigue, yes I was hot, sweat, etc, but simply too tired all the time to do anything, could not even go to the gym and sit on the bike too tired.

 

[Mischief]

Starting a DNP cycle in a week, I like hearing stories.

Bump

 

[Quiet Storm]

ive been researching this stuff quite a lot, been wanting to do a cycle in the summer and i love CKDs, just wonderin why i keep seeing that it should be done with a 33/33/33 when there are less sides with low carb diets?

 

[BigRugbyMan]

Going Hypo on DNP is not BS. It happened to me. I blacked out. When i took my blood sugar it was 30.

So it can happen. It's not fun. If you start feeling like you are going Hypo, get some carbs in you.

 

[Quiet Storm]

now that peice of the puzzle is actually logical to me, thanks bigrugbyman. good thing i have a bloodsugar monitor, so i guess i could just keep low carb but have some fructose orsomething when i tip 70

 

[Andy13]

Yes... The less carbs, the lesser the heat..

But carbs are essential while on DNP to preserve muscle. If you are eating zero carbs, your liver is working hard to make the minimal glucose (out of muscle protein) that your body NEEDS to fuel certain tissues that ONLY utilize glucose..

IMO, minimal carbs? yes.. zero carbs-- no.

Andy

 

[serge]

Yes... The less carbs, the lesser the heat..

But carbs are essential while on DNP to preserve muscle. If you are eating zero carbs, your liver is working hard to make the minimal glucose (out of muscle protein) that your body NEEDS to fuel certain tissues that ONLY utilize glucose..

IMO, minimal carbs? yes.. zero carbs-- no.

Andy

andy you dont think your body will get the through gluconeogenisis of ingested protein?

 

[Andy13]

There are certain aminos that tend to be used in gluconeogenesis...

If you wish to go no-carb, then fine.. But I would recomend taking glycerol.. This will aid in muscle preservation..

 

[fozzy]

I am coming off my first DNP cycle. I was taking it slow to see what kind of sides I would experience. I was taking all the neccessary vits and some glycerol. I kept my carbs as low as possible. 200mg a day for the last nine days. I stopped taking yesterday to let the bloat leave me as I am going out of town for a wedding. To cut to the chase, I started out at 212lbs last Saturday. I weighed myself this morning and am at 197lbs. I am assuming a great deal of it is fat. I can't wait to see the end result. I did notice if I kept my carbs really low that I would start to get a headache, but as soon as I got some carbs in me I was good.

 

[NY Muscle]

Well the orignal thing i was told was that DNP and no carbs is bad news, something like blindness and brain damage or some shit...i think ANIMAL shared this view...all i know is that you feel fine with DNP and no carbs and lose pure fat.

 

[DrJMW]

My last communication with Dan Duchaine, before he died, was a discussion about DNP. He suggested to me that DNP works better when taking carbs. He suggested a low carb diet without DNP week 1. Then carb up week 2, taking 300mg DNP twice daily (male dosage). Then low carb without DNP week, and so on. He also suggested cardio/cycle training as the exercise of choice, for you will not be strong enough to push heavy weights. Also, the cardio will burn more calories. I never tried the regimen, but he informed me of people losing 7-10 lbs of fat on average per week. You continue the cycle until you are done reducing. His cycle made sense, from a biochemical point of view. I would love to try it, but I can't get my hands on DNP. The chemical company I have an account with will only ship it to a lab.

 

[nbk]

i trust the ANIMAL

do his diet, it´s perfect for DNP... perfect.

the only thing u have to remember is to drink shitloads of water and anti-ox

 

[smokinghawk]

What about running it low carb, except for fructose to keep liver sustained and prevent dehydratino/hypo/muscle loss, and V8 to replace electrolytes with low-calorie vegetable sources?

 

[Andy13]

What about running it low carb, except for fructose to keep liver sustained and prevent dehydratino/hypo/muscle loss, and V8 to replace electrolytes with low-calorie vegetable sources?

That is exactly what I have been recomending-- fructose only carbs-- and only when needed (you will know when you need a pepsi, believe me).