Djeclipse's Intermediate 5x5 take 2.

[Cynical Simian]

I think what he meant by "simple" carb in that case was "high GI"; the carbs in potatoes are starches, which are complex. Regardless, the underlying rationale regarding a potato being good post-workout is correct.

 

[djeclipse]

Just some random thoughts - Eating monotony is, for me, the key to losing bodyfat - its actually easier once you've disassociated food from pleasure to stick to a diet as 1) you know exactly what you're getting all the time and 2) it becomes a regime and that's key for me to stick to something. I eat pretty much the same thing at the same time every day which makes it very easy to tune my cardio/training or recoup time if I need to make up a deficit.

Once you know every meal has to be exactly 50-60g's protien, 25-30g's fat then the rest falls into place

the key is discipline, and no 'wiggle room', no cheat meals nothing that causes you to lose that fortress mentality.

That is what I will have to do. For so long eating has been a pleasure, something to look forward too and the feeling of over eating and being bloated after was just natural. At night it was simply a habit. I think if I can get everything down to a time line like you say and eat the same thing at the same time every day it will be easier.

I need discipline, maybe after work I'll go paint the fence, sand the floor, wax the car... wax on, wax off...

For breakfast, if you're having carbs try soaking 2/3rds a cup of oats in a thick protien shake for 10 minutes, add a small amount of almonds and you have a perfect start to the day (assuming the protien powder doesnt taste like ass).. that mix is also perfect pre workout, post workout, on carbup days.. pretty much for everything
of course other people have succeeded on different approaches but for me thats what it takes

More oats! lol When you make that shake do you drink it or eat it with a straw? Also I may need a better tasting protein shake as the one I have now doesn’t taste that great... not to meniton I think it’s expired.

 

[Tweakle]

I eat it, it has the consistancy of pudding which I like (I sprinkle some rasins into it too when I'm post workout)

for great tasting, super cheap protien try trueprotien.com , you wont find a better source.. I have eaten my way through almost 50lbs of their fruit punch flavored concentrate in the last few months and I'm still not sick of it

 

[djeclipse]

Looks like BiggT already gave some solid advice while I was messing around with formatting these quotes.


You still need more protein, and keeping the raisin bran is a bit like claiming a candy bar is identical to oats and some almonds because the macros are the same.

Where to get more protein? More eggs?

You need more protein again. Get rid of the honey and/or fruit and add a meat/dairy protein of some sort. Since this is right before your workout, you might want to go with higher-carb, lower-fat breakdown. Maybe move the almonds and one of the dinner chicken breasts to be your last meal of the day.

The honey is in there soI can actually eat the oats, lol I could move the almonds and one chicken breast to the last meal of the day, but It may be too much before bed?

Buy a good-tasting whey instead of adding sugary yogurt for flavor.

Good tasting Whey? Isn’t that an oxy-moron?

 

[Tweakle]

It'll be tough at first I wont bullshit you - but stick to it and results will come your way. The thing to remember is the looser you are with your diet, the more you 'just live a little' and have that slice of pizza (or whatever your poision is ) the longer it will take to lose the fat and the more time you will have to spend in a catabolic state.

honestly the hardest thing is getting the other people in your life to not intentionally or unintentionally sabotage your efforts. My GF is an awesome cook and bakes the best cookies and cakes in the world so it's hard to turn them down.. people at work making retarded comments or pestering you to come out to lunch.. its the hardest thing sometimes

 

[BiggT]

ON Whey tastes pretty good and is reasonably priced, however, admittedly, I have only ever mixed it with milk, it may taste like shit with water. I am gonna check out that site Tweakle posted, I am all about taste.

CS explained the potatoes post workout thing for me, so you get the idea.

With breakfast, just more eggs for more protein. 3 egg whites is ridiculously small, it isn't enough for someone literally half your size.

With the oatmeal, just stop being a pansy and eat it. It may not be the most pleasurable thing, but just do it and learn to love it......if you want, Quaker makes instant oatmeal called "weight control" or some such thing. They have Banana Bread and Cinamon, there is virtually no sugar and about 7 grams of protein and 6 grams of fiber....it is a little pricey, but an option for the taste department.

 

[Cynical Simian]

if you want, Quaker makes instant oatmeal called "weight control" or some such thing. They have Banana Bread and Cinamon, there is virtually no sugar and about 7 grams of protein and 6 grams of fiber....it is a little pricey, but an option for the taste department.

I have to disagree with this; you might as well save a bit of money and eat raisin bran instead of this stuff. They're using one of the oldest "make a crappy product seem nutritious" tricks: sweetening it with maltodextrin, which is technically a complex carb (so it doesn't show up as 'sugar' on the nutrition label) but just like pure sugar (high GI, no fiber or micronutrients, etc.). This is the "malto" in the "dex and malto" some guys like to use in their post-WO shakes.

 

[BiggT]

I have to disagree with this; you might as well save a bit of money and eat raisin bran instead of this stuff. They're using one of the oldest "make a crappy product seem nutritious" tricks: sweetening it with maltodextrin, which is technically a complex carb (so it doesn't show up as 'sugar' on the nutrition label) but just like pure sugar (high GI, no fiber or micronutrients, etc.). This is the "malto" in the "dex and malto" some guys like to use in their post-WO shakes.

Really? I didn't know that, I just noticed the boxes at the store the other day and read the label out of curiosity. I wouldn't bother with it myself because I am one of the rare people who actually like plain old oatmeal with nothing in it, but damn, that is some decption at its finest by the people at Quaker, lol. It was most definitely overpriced from what I recall.

 

[Tweakle]

Quaker are devious bitches eh.

I like their new misdirection tactic with the 'peanut free' angle in those new commerical, like it's suddenly ok to feed their sugar loaded crap-bars to kids because there's no killer nuts lurking in them. And don't get me started on their line of neurotic-fat-chick 'diet foods'

 

[blut wump]

I'm with BiggT, just learn to like oats. I start my day with a bowl of oats, 3 generous scoops of chocolate whey, a scoop of flax powder and lots of milk. I used to add honey but rarely bother even with that.