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Did rogue US agent warn CSIS of Sept 11?

Jon.W.

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This is shocking.

The admission that the death of a Canadian diplomat in Moscow was murder may lend credence to the fantastic story arising from an extradition case in Toronto, in which a man claiming to be a US Naval intelligence officer says he warned the RCMP and CSIS of the September 11 attacks months in advance.
Delmart Edward Vreeland claims he travelled to Moscow in the Fall of 2000 to obtain military documents regarding Russian counter-measures to US anti-missile defence. His purpose was to see they got into the hands of CSIS, and to fool Ottawa into believing it was a Canadian discovery, so Canada and other allies might be inclined to drop their objections to “Star Wars.”
His contact was a “systems analyst,” Marc Bastien, said to be a CSIS agent working out of the embassy. Vreeland says he sensed something fishy with a Russian go-between, and handed over a dummy bag before travelling to Toronto, where he was arrested on December 6 on an immigration warrant.
Only days after Vreeland’s arrest by Toronto police, Bastien was found dead in Moscow. Though he was only 35, the death was attributed to “natural causes.” The body was returned to Canada for autopsy. Sources with the Mounties have since confirmed that Bastien indeed was murdered.
Among the Russian documents Vreeland says he retrieved was one describing impending terrorist attacks in the United States, naming Osama bin Laden as an agent and the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as likely targets.
Vreeland, with his lawyer, Paul Slansky, took the information to both CSIS and the RCMP last summer, but he was blown off as a crank.
The US Navy claim that Vreeland was discharged in the mid-80s, having failed boot camp, but there is evidence to suggest the military is altering his service record. For example, in a phone conversation recorded from jail in August—before, Vreeland contends, his entire record could be wiped from the system — he is clearly told by a petty officer at a US naval base that computer files confirm his rank as Lieutenant. An impossibility if he’d dropped out of boot camp.
If his claim is true, then why is the US hounding this man, and why does he fear for his life if he is extradited? Perhaps because Russian foreknowledge of September 11th is a can of worms best left unopened.

This came from a Candian satirical magazine named Frank, there is far more infomation concerning these developments which can be found on the internet.
 
Conspiracy theory nuts always come out of the woodwork after a major event. Too many people grew up with Kennedy what fors and what ifs running through their heads.
 
Dont pay attention to the Dude. He obviously hasnt done his research.


"1) U.S. warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack
buildings
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/in...ines/index.html

2) Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror
attacks
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/...16/wcia16.xml

3) Egyptian president says he warned America of an attack before
Sept. 11.
Associated Press
http://www.nctimes.com/news/2001/20011208/65749.html
http://www.messenger-inquirer.com/n...cks/3867415.htm

4) Germany - On September 14, the German newspaper
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) reported that "U.S. and
Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least
three months ago that Middle eastern terrorists were planning
to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important
symbols of American and Israeli culture."

According to a report filed by the Post-Newsweek information service,
"The FAZ, quoting unnamed German Intelligence sources, said that
the Echelon spy network was being used to collect information
about the terrorist threats, and that U.K. intelligence services
apparently also had advance warning. The FAZ, one of Germany's
most respected dailies, said that even as far back as six months
ago, western and near-east press services were receiving
information that such attacks were being  planned. "Within
the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken
seriously and surveillance intensified"

NOTE: Echelon is a highly secret technical intelligence gathering
system used to monitor worldwide communications and coordinated
in the U.S. by the National Security Agency. Participating countries,
who eavesdrop on the citizens of the other member countries -- to
avoid civil restrictions preventing governments from spying on their
own citizens -- then pool and share their information. Participating
countries include the U.S., Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Great
Britain and Germany. The eavesdropping covers both telephone
and email communications.

5) Summer 2001 - Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25
terrorist pilots have been specifically training for suicide missions.
This is reported in the Russian press and news stories are translated
for FTW by a retired CIA officer.

6) 14. August 2001 - Russian President Vladimir Putin orders
Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the strongest
possible terms" of imminent attacks on airports and government
buildings. [Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin, September 15.] "


I posted the preceeding excerpt in the following thread.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...10&pagenumber=3
 
im sure they knew an attack was coming and probably even knew the exact date, but they probably didnt know exactly what was going to happen. but what are they really supposed to do without knowing what is going to happen, also, look at all the warnings of attacks we recieved before and after sept 11 that never happened. what are you supposed to do? evacuate new york every time there is a threat of an attack?
 
Rush,

The pentagon was aware a terrorist attack was planned, possibly using highjacked civilian airliners, at least 24 hours before the sept 11th attacks occured.

"On Sept. 10.... a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns."
Newsweek 24 September 2001
http://www.msnbc.com/news/629606.asp 


Why didnt the Pentagon notify the FAA, or fighter crews at the nations Air Force Bases to go on alert as a precautionary measure to thwart potential terrorist attacks using highjacked US commercial aircraft?

Guess, they didnt realise part of the Pentagons mandate is to protect American civilian lives.....
 
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Did anybody happen to see the Nightline show last night? About our interests in building the pipeline thru Afghanistan, and other countries in that region?


I don't think it will be anything done, or said, until Bush/Cheney get control of this pipeline in that area.......
 
It's all part of the transnational conspiracy and we'll never get the real truth until the said event takes place.
The U.S. Government was warned months in advance by many trusted sources that something miserable was bound to happen, yet no precautionary measures were taken or any changes , whatsoever.
I am starting to believe that the government actually looked forward to attacks so then they can finally have a major reason to go to war in the middle east and straighten things out. Very inconsiderate.

just my opinion
 
Gympoppa,

I posted this a couple weeks back. You may find this exerpt interesting. Forgiven the emotional tirades....

"You can bet this has something to do with it. Right from the horses mouth.......

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...0011128-11.html


OIL?!?!? OIL YOU FUCKING SAY??!?!?? HOW COULD IT BE?!?!

The caspien sea oil pipeline(s) has the potential to pump over 1 million Barrels a day, straight to US tankers waiting at terminal ports on the Pakistani Coast (our new found best buddy in the whole wide world!!!).

READ:

Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline: Unocal

"From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan COULD NOT BEGIN UNITIL A RECOGNIZED GOVERNMENT is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company.....The 1,040-mile long oil pipeline would extend south through Afghanistan to an export terminal that would be constructed on the Pakistan coast. This 42-inch diameter pipeline will have a shipping capacity of one million barrels of oil per day.... The Central Asia and Caspian region is blessed with abundant oil and gas that can enhance the lives of the region's residents, and provide energy for growth in both Europe and Asia. The impact of these resources on U.S. commercial interests and U.S. foreign policy is also significant."
U.S. INTERESTS IN THE CENTRAL ASIAN REPUBLICS, HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIA AND THE PACIFIC OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, 12 February 1998 - evidence by Mr. John J. Maresca, vice president of international relations, Unocal Corporation (US oil company)
http://commdocs.house.gov/committee.../hfa48119_0.HTM

Those of you who frequent the foreign policy debate and do a little research into the newly discovered caspien sea oil deposits may be able to make the connection between US foreign policy formation, and decreasing Americas oil dependance on Middle Eastern exports..........

Which lends even more credence to BBC's report the US did infact PLAN a military offensive in Afghanastan for the purposes of overthrowing the Taliban in late 2001, prior to sept 11th......

US 'planned attack on Taleban'
"A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wo...000/1550366.stm

The US Government, or more aptedly, the Bush Administration, just needed some sort of event to engender massive domestic, and perhaps even global support, for a United States Armed Invasion and Overthrow of the Taliban. They needed some kind of justification to go in there, and secure a new "WEstern Friendly" Government so they could ensure the efficent flow of oil to the American economy and to shore up long term energy objectives.

hmm... as luck would have it, your Senior Government Officials, Both in the Intelligence and Executive Branches of the Government, negleted to inform the nations law enforcement and aviation authority a massive terrorist attack was expected to be carried out on US soil, using highjacked civilian aircraft, in late 2001 -- whose mastermind resided in the KEY country needed to secure the previously unexploitable *massive* Caspien oil reservers!!!!! WOW... TALK ABOUT FUCKING LUCK HERE PEOPLE!!!!

And GOD knows every official comprising GW's Senior Administration is a STRAIGHT SHOOTER, HONEST DUDES.......I mean GWB and Senior only practise insider trading regularly via the Carlyle Group -- Americas 10th largest military defense contractor!!!! Its not like GW, OR THE MAJORITY OF HIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE DEEP CONNECTIONS IN THE OIL INDUSTRY?!? Good lord NO!!! They are good, kind, honest people. So WHAT if George Bushs Grandfather made his millions selling steel to the Nazis during World War 2??? Whats that got to do with anything.

WOW.

Who benefits from the Sept 11th attacks against the US?

1) American military defense contractors. Carlyle Group is Americas tenth largest military defense contractor with George Bush Jr. and George Bush Snr. receiving firm compensation in exchange for "consultation services". Carlyle Group benefits immensly from the 3 FOLD increase in US military defense spending prompted by the Sept 11th attacks. GW picked the contracts for some of the new defense equipment. GW and Father reep massive payoffs from their new found, and perfectly timed war. Very luck guys at best.

2) American Oil Companies with extraction, pumping, and loading rights for Caspien Oil Reserves. GW and the majority of buddies in his administration are HEAVILY connected with the American oil industry; Rumsfeild, Cheney, Bush......that wouldnt have a darn thing to do with all this, you think1?!

3) As sheer luck would have it, Sept 11th gave the US a greenlight to operate military bases indefinitly in Afghanastan and possibly other Soviet break away republics. Lucky for us, air sorties supported by US military bases located in Afghanaistan and ExSoviet provinces, can also serve the dual purpose of ensuring the efficent flow of oil from the Caspien Sea to Pakistani terminal loading ports in the war torn region of West Asia. Luck luck luck. Man. This guys got a four leaf clover up his fucking ass.

"This is about America's energy security. It's also about preventing strategic inroads by those who don't share our values. We're trying to move these newly independent countries toward the west. We would like to see them reliant on western commercial and political interests rather than going another way. We've made a substantial political investment in the Caspian, and it's very important to us that both the pipeline map and the politics come out right."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/s...,438134,00.html
Bill Richardson 1998, US energy secretary, on US policy on the extraction and transport of Caspian oil, quoted in the Guardian 15 February 2001


4) Americas long term national security objectives.
At this point in time, with global public opinion completely supportive of any US military action overseas, the United States Government has the ability to strike ANY foriegn country which exhibit ANY "terrorist" affliation whatsoever.

Think about that single fact for a minute.

Our government no longer needs to provide any evidence proving alledged hostile states are engaged in terrorist activity. All they have to do now, is say " xxx country is engaged in terrorism, and just look what happened Sept 11th!" thats not to say some countries arnt legitmately engaged in supporting terrorism targeting US interests. Saudi Arabia being one. However, you have to acknowledge the dangers inherent in giving the worlds most powerfull government the unfettered ability to label any group or state a terrorist, and then play American emotions like cheap violin to engender civilian support for ANY military activity.

RIght now, as we speak, American naval forces and battle groups are preparing for a second offensive against Iraq. Where do u think all our elitefitness board buddies went?? Gulf War Part 2. Brought to you by George Bush Jr. and Colin Powell. One more kick at the can. Hey, its great for military defense contractors!!

It is GAME. nothing more than that. The Bush administration sacrificed a few thousand lives for increased American influence and propriatory oil rights in West Asia and the Middle East. "

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=131727&perpage=10&pagenumber=3

NOTE: At the moment, its unclear the total number of parties who immeditadely benefit from sept 11th terrorist attacks and the ensuing war in Afghanastan. However, the following parties recieve immediate substancial benefit from the war in Afghanastan:

1) big US oil corporations
2) US military defense industry
3) US intelligence community (CIA, FBI, NSA),
4) United States of America....how?
a) secure long term energy objectives ensured by caspien oil sea pipeline
b) indefinite US military presence in West Asia
 
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Hey buddy, your knowledge is impressive, did you study government conspiracy at colledge or something? :-)
 
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