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Depression, I won't deny it. . . .

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HvyW8

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For almost three years, I trained my ass off and tried to keep my bodyfat well under 10%. . . . I was only on gear for about 6mths in total that entire time, but I did take ECA and tons of caffeine the entire time with only a few breaks. I starting having trouble sleeping. . . . then went through some stressful times. Now, off and on for the last year I have felt like shit, can't sleep properly and have low libido (haven't touched ECA for over a year, except maybe once or twice a week). I went to the doc for tests and everything was normal (thyroid, free test was 187.5 out of 210). . . been to a few docs actually and they all want to put me on anti-depressants, which I refuse to do. Whenever I start to feel a little better and train a little harder and diet a little harder, it gets worse. I was feeling pretty good a couple of months ago. . then I went to Italy for a few weeks and had a blast. . .but gained about 5 pounds. When I got back, I started training hard to lose it and crashed again. . . .

I won't deny it now, I am probably depressed. . . . . . I think its from the ECA and low carbs.

Two weeks ago, I quit doing cardio and starting eating more and I actually got leaner.

Has anyone experienced anything similar? What's the way to beat this. I even quit drinking coffee now. . . and am training very light.
 
Depression can be a hard cross to bare. I go through it from time to time and anti- depressants only fuck me up. I have no answer but wish you well bro.
Oh yeah I've found valium to helpful for really down days if you can get it.

I'll never understand why doctors backed off prescribing benzo's becasue of their addicitve quality's when now instead they push drugs which require addiction in order to be effective.
 
Depression, burn-out - both can be ugly. Personally, you might want to get some Xanax (0.5mg) or Ambien to help calm you at night, so you can sleep better. You may just be experience poor sleeping habits and not really know it. Other than that, I would try to stay away from anti-depressants unless you and your doctor really think you need it. Make some changes in your life. Find a different diet. Change up your daily routine some. Find a new hobby like hiking or something where you can be a little more stress free. I really think if you get something for sleep, it will improve. Good luck, Geoff.
 
I have the same problem brother. When I'm off I get so deppressed I can go a while without eating right, or even training. (For me this is not normal) I have always battled problems with depression and sleeping and unfortainly there is no easy way to beat it. I refused to take medicine for years. I thought it would make me less of a person or something. I finally broke down swallowed my pride (Thanks to my family and friends telling me I need help) and went to the doctor, started taking medicine and started to fell 100% better. I still go through times when I feel I don't need my meds but I know deep down I do and I do and I feel alot better when I take them. I don't know what to tell you but it might not hurt to listen to what the doc has to say and try it out for a couple months. I can tell you I am glad I got help and hope things get better for you. I know how you feel and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 
I feel your pain man. I went through something similar when I found out my son had cancer. I started to get really depressed and nothing seemed to help. After a while I just gave up and that combined with the fact that I was cycling and am generally an aggressive person led to a lot of problems in my personal/professional life. At one point my Boss even orderd me to have a psych evaluation after I blew up at a meeting. My wife would have to constantly tell me to stop yelling at my kids or to calm down and the suicide jokes were becomming muct to common for my own liking.

After a while I started doing some research and decided that I had to do something before I did actually shoot myself or some other crazy shit. I talked to my doc and got set up on a trial basis of Lexapro. The stuff did wonders for my atitude and my life. The suicide jokes all but stopped and I calmed down a lot. I don't think I get depressed much anymore.

I'm not gonna tell you that this is the answer but it worked for me. I know those meds can cause some problems but you would be supprised to learn how many people actually take them just to cope with life and it's stresses. My advice to you would be to do something before it gets real too bad to do anything. Pride is a great thing but too much can kill a man.

Good luck bro.
 
Low carb diets tend to limit the amount of Seratonin that you are making, and then cause these problems.

When you are depressed, or even just "down", it takes a bit more effort to "get normal" than it does to STAY normal. Therefore if you have a tendancy towards being a bit low on seratonin, or MAYBE close to it, then once you are IN a depressed state, it may be a bit more difficult for you to get OUT of it.

And trying to get OUT of a depressed state, while on a low-carb diet, may be especially difficult. And if you have been in such a state for a while, it's MORE difficult.

Add to that maybe some over-training, and/or maybe some lack of sleep, and things get worse or at least dont get much better.

Sure, people will want to throw drugs at you. Of course, but I think you are smart to at least make good attempts at other ways to solve this.

First, I would not try to diet-down right now. I mean, don't go low-carb. Don't go wild on sugar either (just as bad) but don't deprive yourself of carbs.

What you need are mild amounts of long-burning carbs. Stay away from sugar, processed grains, etc. Go for stuff like whole grains and pastas and potatoes, oatmeal, etc. This stuff will burn more slowly and help to create more of a long-term (hours/days) effect and help to work wtith your body/brain to create seratonin.

You need things that will help your body to start making seratonin again.

Carbs will help.

Also, do/watch/listen/enjoy things that make you feel good. Not "excited" but GOOD. This is not about feeling "up" as in watching an action movie (like Fast and Furious, which sucked, but you get my point) that gets you all jittery and excitable, its about doing or watching or experiencing things that make you feel GOOD as in like warm-fuzzy good (like watching Forrest Gump). Sorry, but that's the best way to describe it.

Laugh if you want, but that will help, because that "feeling" is all about Seratonin, and if you go too long with too low of a level, you need some help in kicking it back up.

OK - why not just take a pill (which is what all of the quick-fix want-everything-now people want)? Because you may not NEED it. Plus to some extent, that may diminish you body's ability to naturally make or deal with Seratonin. Plus - ever hear of what some people go through when they STOP taking the SSRIs (happy pills of one type)? It ain't pretty for some.

Yes yes yes, before some kid chimes in and yells about how much he likes his Paxil or whatever - fine. If you are on it - fine. But there are risks.

Anyway:

Forget dieting for a while

Get some carbs. Low GI carbs. DON'T gop for sugar.

DO STUFF that makes you feel GOOD. Not excited, GOOD.

Trust me, this all will help.


Note: If you want to do a pill, a natural one, you may want to try 5-HTP. Be sure to read up about it, and also to only get/use "Enteric Coated" pills. Any 5-HTP may cause some abdominal cramps a bit in some people. 5-HTP is a natural seratonin precursor and may help you somewhat.
 
I had the same prob for awhile also. I agree with most of what has been said so far! I would NOT go low carb right now. I take St. Johns wort, which helps, but it takes awhile to start working. A lot of people feel better after being more social also. 5-HTP puts me to sleep quickly! Maybe not that good for depression (at least for me) but might help you sleep. Good luck!
 
faller said:
I had the same prob for awhile also. I agree with most of what has been said so far! I would NOT go low carb right now. I take St. Johns wort, which helps, but it takes awhile to start working. A lot of people feel better after being more social also. 5-HTP puts me to sleep quickly! Maybe not that good for depression (at least for me) but might help you sleep. Good luck!
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Re: 5-HTP - yes, it will do that.

Take it before bed.
 
Why the refusal to consider anti-depressants? I hope it is not from the stigma associated with mental health issues. It doesn't sound like you would need any medication "for life". A bad breakup set off depression in me that took 6 months of medication and a change of scenery (to Florida in winter) to break through. I was on Effexor, and tapered myself off with no sides. From what I've heard, Lexapro sounds better, especially if you have associated anxiety.

It sounds like you may also be (or have been) overtraining. Believe it or not, weeks or even months away from the game may do the whole body good. You can have a return plan, say in three months, but while you're off focus on other interests in your life that may be getting neglected. Your diet need not be as strict in this time as well, listen to it as to what to eat. I read an interesting article about this recently, let me see if I can dig it up.

Best of luck.
 
i too was against anti-depressants. i almost felt like a mental case just asking my doctor about them. but im glad i made the decision. i use lexapro and it works wonders.
 
Hey man i feel for ya.i have my own depresive bouts without aas and sometims i think we need to deal with the roots instead of the symptoms of depression you know i had to and still do sometimes have to deal with the things in my past or situations that instead of resolving within myself when they happen instead i have a tendency to duck and dodge the internal and cling to the external with ferocity wich is cool sometimes but there can be consequences i recomend cleaning the inside out with a thorough dose of transparent comunication with a close freind or minister face to face somone you can trust. but quite possibly i

read your letter wrong and you realy arent that depressed or im just loco but anywho theres my 2 cents good luck homie
 
don't get on the sleep aids or valium it will just make you worse valium downer ambien to some ill make you forget your name...go ask for wellbutrin it is great takes a few weeks to work sometimes great for depression ,very few side effects and has been known to help with sex drive...TRY IT ! life is short
 
Get some professional help brother. If it is depression, you won't beat it yourself. Millions suffer from it. Don't let pride interfere with your happiness and wellbeing. You'll be proud you did seek help! It takes alot to suck it up and admit you might have a serious problem. Make the call!
 
Bro, if your doc wants to put you on anti depressants - do it. Short term (six month) anti depressant treatment can often be curative... i.e., you don't need the anti depressants any more. Left untreated the chemical situation in your brain and get worse and no longer benefit from short term treatment.
 
Plex had it right. Wellbutrin does have the fewest sides. It has no sexual sides. Its sides are good for bbuilders. Increased energy, decreased appetite. Doesn't work for every1, but does for me
 
Bulk King said:
Depression can be a hard cross to bare. I go through it from time to time and anti- depressants only fuck me up. I have no answer but wish you well bro.
Oh yeah I've found valium to helpful for really down days if you can get it.

I'll never understand why doctors backed off prescribing benzo's becasue of their addicitve quality's when now instead they push drugs which require addiction in order to be effective.
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Depression is a scary sickness that is best treated by a doctor. Self-medicating is an extremely dangerous practice. There is a reason only doctors are aloud to prescribe med’s. “you” deciding what “you” need can sometimes lead to more trouble. Like if you follow the advice in this thread, regarding taking valium to ease your nights. If you have not taken Valium, it will put you in a blanked-out, whacked-out, haze of a state, especially at the dose that you’re sure to decide is “the right dose” for yourself. Then one day, you may say, well, if the valium makes me sleep good at night, then maybe one or two during the day will help. – and thus you are now taking valium day in and day out.
This story is all to common in my practice. For those of you who do not know, I am an addiction management doctor. I treat patients with addiction, many to benzos’ which valium is one of. To fill you in, withdrawal from valium can last weeks and that’s just the time when your on the ground moaning, wanting to die, because your entire body aches, you have nose bleeds, cold sweats, you haven’t slept in a week, and your about to be hospitalized because you have begun to have seizures- which could kill you. And this is only the beginning.
There is a reason anti-depressants are the number one prescribed drug, they work. Maybe not in 100% of the cases, but in the majority, they are lifesavers. Ask yourself, what do you have to loose? – you could go the other road, self-medicate, take valium, and in a year, have lost your marriage all you possessions, sold because you need cash for you habit, and end up in my office.
There is nothing wrong with taking an anti-depressant; it does not mean you are any less a man. Some need meds for high cholesterol, some need it for their mood.
I realize my examples are extreme, but after hearing this story over and over, if I could prevent it before it happens, it’s worth it.
I’m in no way saying that if you takes drugs you will become addicted. Ask yourself, what type of people do you think I treat at my clinic? Losers, druggies? Bums? Sure, maybe a few. The majority, and when I say majority I mean 65-75% all have full-time jobs, some are teachers, lawyers, business men and women – people like you
Remember know one sets out to become an addict, it just sort of happens.
 
man, i think it's irresponsible to recommend Valium and other benzos to a guy who says he's depressed. they are tranquilizers for one thing and very addictive for another.

i, too was vehemently opposed to antidepressants. i consider them to be overprescribed and i don't think docs do a very good job informing their patients about possible sides.

i finally got so sick of being mildly depressed ALL THE TIME that i figured what the hell, how bad can it hurt to just try it? i got put on Lexapro and it worked. my mood improved dramatically. problem is, after about 6 months my libido was totally gone. i went back and told the doctor that i'd rather be depressed. he then put me on Wellbutrin and i can't stress enough how great it's been. better mood, more energy, less anxiety, better sex. i consider Wellbutrin to be a wonder drug.

nadr
 
Classic hysteria towards benzo's. Many drugs have addicting quality's, which does'nt mean they don't have a place in treatment. I personally went to my doctor and was tried on three different anti deppressant all of which seemed to make me somewhat psychotic instead of depressed. Forgetting to take a daily dose of Paxil was the most excruciating pain I can describe. Gave up on that asshole and got some black market valium, took it only when totally stressed and to my suprise I managed to get through without killing myself.
Talk shit about Benzo's all you want and talk up the anti-d's. Why are they the number one selling drugs? Because drug companies push the shit out of them. Not much money left in drugs who's patents have expired.
I have'nt used any benzo's since then and did'nt use often enough to have any, and I mean any withdrawal symtoms. Wish I could say the same for anti depressants.
I wa'nt trying to push a certain type of drug on anyone, just relaying my PERSONAL experience, not just talking out my ass.

Addiction is more about personality then drugs. I have had a bottle of hydromorophone(sure you've seen lots of addicts who love this shit) sitting in my medicine cabinet for a year. In that year I've maybe used it 3 times. Other people would have gone through the bottle in a week or less and been looking for more. That's not me. Self-medicate does not equal addiction and the reality is most of the benzo addicts got started by their doctors.
 
Thanks for all your input guys. It makes me feel better just knowing that I"m not the only one that experiences this.
 
I have done a lot of research on the subject of post cycle depression and many of the studies i have read implicate a catabolic state and a correlation of cortisol levels with post cycle depression. Cortisol is also correlated with anxiety and panic attacks. Those with panic/anxiety disorder often have depression as well. Studies have shown that stress elevated cortisol have bein associated with cases of spontaneous anxiety and depression. I will post one of the studies soon.
 
HvyW8 -

your admittedly almost constant use of the ECA stack may have contributed in a significant way to your depression.

Ephedrine has been hypothesized to have some effect on the amount of 5-HT (aka serotonin) released by your endocrine system. Lack of serotonin can lead to problems with appetite, sleep disruption, libido, and many other bodily functions. It can also lead to depression.

Such chronic use may have down-regulated your serotonin release and caused all the symptoms you described. My suggestion would be to totally avoid the ephi, and start on something like Zoloft, which will improve your mood and sleep patterns without down-regulating serotonin release. After a few weeks, much like clomid and nolvadex after a hard cycle, you'll be able to come off and live a normal life once again.

Just my 2mL for a brother who seems like he's hurting. Best of luck with this, Hvy.

Regards,
-M
 
I just came across this topic and I'm in the same situation. I've been suffering from anxiety and depression for over a year now and have been with the same doctor ever since but I'm getting fed up and want to change docs. I tried paxil, which I think made me feel worse, and lexapro which basically felt the same as paxil....It did nothing for anxiety at all, and the sides sucked. It sucks when you have a hot girlfriend and you start taking that stuff and you get the sexual side effects and don't have much of a sex drive and she starts to think it's her. Anyway, the biggest frustration I have is the doctor I've been seeing for over a year has this kind of wait and see approach and be patient and this and that...I don't understand how you can be so patient with this kind of problem. Does anyone know of a doc in the Chicagoland area that is more open to prescribing things like benzos, or more open to changing meds faster if they just aren't working? Any help would be appreciated.
 
Couple of suggestions. Examine your routine to see if you are overtraining. Burn out can definitely lead to depression but it is only a factor that contributes to a preexisting condition. Most people who suffer from depression are predisposed to it. Do not rule out medication. It can work wonders. Medication does have its difficulties though. It may take several trials to find the right one for you and you may experience the most common side effects of sexual dysfunction and sleep problems. The first thing you should do though, is seek out a good therapist, one with either a PhD or a PsyD. I do not recommend getting therapy from a psychiatrist or a social worker. They are most often not nearly as well trained in clinical work.
 
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