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DECA only, something everyone needs to learn..

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test-monkey

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there was a time when deca was known as one of the best anabolics out there. everyone loved it, it was safe, it was a very good drug for building muscle, and no one has ever heard of deca dick till message board rumor started.

now I would say 70-80% of people hate it. because of all the negative feedback. I became a hater, when in fact i've only tried it once and I can't say it did me wrong in anyway.

so I decided that I was going to expeirment with the most forbidden cycle known to elitefitness a DECA ONLY CYCLE

well let me tell you it was one of the best cycles I have ever done, and this is what it looked like

week 1-10 200mg norma every 5th day
week 1-4 25mg of NNP a day
week 1-13 25mg of proviron a day
week 13-15 0.5 dostinex every 4th day
week 11 5000 iu's of hcg

then during the last week of dostinex PCT for 4-6 weeks (depending on how I feel) 50mg of clomid for 15 day's and 20mg of noval for 4-6 weeks.


results were 12 pounds of very lean dense muscle with 0 side effects. sex drive was very high the whole time, especially when dostinex was used.

with NNP there is no waiting around for the decanate to kick in.

so don't be afraid of deca, especially when drugs like dostinex are available.
 
test-monkey said:
so don't be afraid of deca, especially when drugs like dostinex are available.
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Simply wondeful! K for ya!
 
test-monkey said:
there was a time when deca was known as one of the best anabolics out there. everyone loved it, it was safe, it was a very good drug for building muscle, and no one has ever heard of deca dick till message board rumor started.

now I would say 70-80% of people hate it. because of all the negative feedback. I became a hater, when in fact i've only tried it once and I can't say it did me wrong in anyway.

so I decided that I was going to expeirment with the most forbidden cycle known to elitefitness a DECA ONLY CYCLE

well let me tell you it was one of the best cycles I have ever done, and this is what it looked like

week 1-10 200mg norma every 5th day
week 1-4 25mg of NNP a day
week 1-13 25mg of proviron a day
week 13-15 0.5 dostinex every 4th day
week 11 5000 iu's of hcg

then during the last week of dostinex PCT for 4-6 weeks (depending on how I feel) 50mg of clomid for 15 day's and 20mg of noval for 4-6 weeks.


results were 12 pounds of very lean dense muscle with 0 side effects. sex drive was very high the whole time, especially when dostinex was used.

with NNP there is no waiting around for the decanate to kick in.

so don't be afraid of deca, especially when drugs like dostinex are available.
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I'm still kinda wary, but I'll think about it. My nuts are still building back up from the last deca cycle I did.

DIV

:chomp:
 
I'm with DIV on this one! I may use it again with Test but never solo.

Glad to find positive results from your experience.
 
I did all 8 week deca cycle and it made my left nut go soft after the 2nd week.... now that i'm on my off cycle, i've got my left nut back to feeling about the same as the right nut
 
I took my last shot of a 600mg deca only cycle last week. I got some decent strength and about 6 lbs of good size. I didn't have any noticeable sides but I am ready to be off til January.
 
personally I never run any cycle without test, but I do love deca, my last 3 cycles had deca in it
 
I've stated this over and over again, and been argued with. "Deca dick" is a psychosomatic side effect created by the internet. People who do not read message boards do not seem to have this problem. I've known many people offline who do deca only cycles who do not read message boards, who claim it increases their libido and they can fuck like rabbits on it.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
I've stated this over and over again, and been argued with. "Deca dick" is a psychosomatic side effect created by the internet. People who do not read message boards do not seem to have this problem. I've known many people offline who do deca only cycles who do not read message boards, who claim it increases their libido and they can fuck like rabbits on it.
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BBF....usually agree with most of your posts...this is the exception. I joined EF because I had Deca dick. Ran it solo and never heard of Deca dick. I needed help immediately as this became an obsession in no time (along with the depression of being off). No where else to turn so I raised a question on this board and received tons of responses. Shortly thereafter visited my Doc....sure enough my Prolactin levels were through the roof, estrogen too high, and Test way low. For me, it was not a psychosomatic illness but was self-created since I was niave....didn't know the sides. I guess you're only a dumb ass if you make the same mistake twice. I have used Deca in the past but never without Test. I learned my lesson the hard way.

PS: BBF .... you responded to my first post re: Deca dick with help and advice. Belated thank you!
 
help4john said:
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BBF....usually agree with most of your posts...this is the exception. I joined EF because I had Deca dick. Ran it solo and never heard of Deca dick. I needed help immediately as this became an obsession in no time (along with the depression of being off). No where else to turn so I raised a question on this board and received tons of responses. Shortly thereafter visited my Doc....sure enough my Prolactin levels were through the roof, estrogen too high, and Test way low. For me, it was not a psychosomatic illness but was self-created since I was niave....didn't know the sides. I guess you're only a dumb ass if you make the same mistake twice. I have used Deca in the past but never without Test. I learned my lesson the hard way.

PS: BBF .... you responded to my first post re: Deca dick with help and advice. Belated thank you!
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Was this mid cycle, or post cycle? When most guys say deca dick they are refering to while on cycle. Most cycle crashes are not uncommon on any drug that suppresses htpa levels, and nandrolone is known for having an above average effect on this...but in that case why not just call it "test dick" or "steroid dick"?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Was this mid cycle, or post cycle? When most guys say deca dick they are refering to while on cycle. Most cycle crashes are not uncommon on any drug that suppresses htpa levels, and nandrolone is known for having an above average effect on this...but in that case why not just call it "test dick" or "steroid dick"?
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Had a slight problem mid-cycle but HCG solved it. Major problem occurred post cycle, week 2 of PCT....did have Deca dick but the whole experience was more like post cycle hormone crash! The only other gear that I have run solo prior to this was Test (Sust, cyp, and suspension)....never had that problem. You do raise a good point...perhaps it should be called "steriod dick"...just never had that problem with any other gear. Perhaps simply don't have enough experience. Time will solve that one!

Have a good night!
 
other things to consider with deca, for all those who say test is a must with deca, don't forget good old proviron which is an androgen, and will do every thing test will do besides being anabolic. and will have less sides then test at resonable doses. personaly proviron give's me better sex drive then straight test. proviron is bad on the hair if your prone, but not as bad as test, if you stay low like at least at 25mg- 50mg ed

test is great with deca and for some it's a must and other it's their nightmare. some people hate test because they don't react good to it, and get bad sides like acne. that is why they turn to anabolics like deca and EQ.

help4jhon you say your prolactin levels were really high, and your estrogen were really high post deca. Your problem could've been resolved with dostinex or bromo for prolactin, and well I don't know about your PCT, but if you used an anti-e like noval your estrogen would be resovled also.


so this is what I believe is a must with deca-

proviron (unless using test)
bromo or dostinex
HCG (during cycle not post)
then a good PCT

don't forget how safe deca is and how anabolic it is. you don't have to worry about HDL levels as with other anabolics. compared to all other steroids it's the least harshest on the hairline. it doesn't convert to DHT. and has the lowest androgen sides like acne.

as long as you got dostinex, proviron, hcg, and good pct your golden :) I think more people who don't like high androgen drugs should give it a try alone.
 
Test-monkey, very well planned cycle, kudos.

Deca Dick is real, it's not a myth it has happened to many people, but it usually happens with heavy deca cycles and a lack of planning on the users part.

Some do not respond well to Nandrolone, no matter what.
 
BigAndy69 said:
Test-monkey, very well planned cycle, kudos.

Deca Dick is real, it's not a myth it has happened to many people, but it usually happens with heavy deca cycles and a lack of planning on the users part.

Some do not respond well to Nandrolone, no matter what.
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deca dick is real to a certain point. most of the time it happens post cycle, which it's just a crash, no matter what you were using like bbf said.
I had what you would call deca dick post cycle from a post test-var cycle, because pct wasn't planned well enough. loss of sex drive during or post cycle can and has happend with any drugs, even test!

also your 100% right some people respond bad to Nandrolone, just like others can respond bad to D-ball, and others.
 
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Thanks, test-monkey. The problem appeared post cycle and I did have Proviron. Thought it was best not to take during PCT (did have Nolvadex 20-40mg ED) and was fearful of further hair loss as I am prone to this....plus didn't think it was justified at that juncture. I followed DRJMW's PCT suggestions but added more HCG. There was more going on then just impotency....but hindsight is 20/20. I was just asking for problems pyramiding a long acting ester like Deca (up to 600mg EW) without more research first. I will never forget the pain free workouts though!!!! Kept the strength too!

Good post test-monkey!!!
 
help4john said:
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Thanks, test-monkey. The problem appeared post cycle and I did have Proviron. Thought it was best not to take during PCT (did have Nolvadex 20-40mg ED) and was fearful of further hair loss as I am prone to this....plus didn't think it was justified at that juncture. I followed DRJMW's PCT suggestions but added more HCG. There was more going on then just impotency....but hindsight is 20/20. I was just asking for problems pyramiding a long acting ester like Deca (up to 600mg EW) without more research first. I will never forget the pain free workouts though!!!! Kept the strength too!

Good post test-monkey!!!
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600mg of deca a week is high, also hcg post cycle should be avoided unless a must, because it will make things worst, it's happened to me.
maybe you also don't react well to nandrolone.

good luck next cycle.
 
I did a Deca only cycle years ago before even going on this board and could not understand why my dick fealt like it became a vagina, in otherwords useless. It really freaked me out and it was inexplicable to me at the time. The second time i ren it alone, the reverse happened. My sex drive went through the roof, go figure. Did some adaptation take place? Maybe.

Also of note that the only deca i used were a mix of Organon Yellow tops and Greek extraboline which i brought back personally from those countries. It was all VERY legit high quality stuff. But the first time deca dick, extreme facial bloat of all deca cycles left me willing to do without it. Oh, yeah, also the recovery period took 6 months easy, even with PCT. I just have had no sex drive afterwords for a long time no matter what i did. Using it with test IMO masks it's tendencies.
 
GREGORY said:
Also of note that the only deca i used were a mix of Organon Yellow tops and Greek extraboline which i brought back personally from those countries. It was all VERY legit high quality stuff.
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Exact same situation for me...Deca yellow tops straight from Greece.
 
I have run a deca only cycle and it was great. Libido was through the roof. Deca catches a bad rap on the bards but in real life many of my friends run it and love it. Many run it alone...
 
Deca and Proviron is not a "Deca only" cycle. I'm, not knocking Deca, but it's hard to say wehter you would've had the same outcome without running Proviron as well
 
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I started a Deca only on sunday. 600 mg a week for ten weeks. I really can't run too much other stuff due to hairloss. I'll keep you all posted on results and sides as well as PCT.

PEACE
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
I've stated this over and over again, and been argued with. "Deca dick" is a psychosomatic side effect created by the internet.
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Now thats a bunch of complete bullshit.

I ran a deca/winstrol cycle a while back and had great gains. Ran a HCG/clomid/herb PCT (unfortunately did not involve dostinex as I had to yet to learn about it) and still 1.5 months post-cycle my test levels were 50ng/dl. My poor dick was useless for a good 2 more months. I'm sure my prolactin was ridiculously high, but it was not tested. i can assure you...Deca dick is real. That episode still haunts me, even with dostinex I'll never touch Deca again.....
 
I COMPETELY disagree.. I use a standard dose of 4-500 mg /week and adding deca greatly reduced my sex drive even with the test.

BUT I wasnt using Dostinex either.

Deca will hurt your sex drive.. if it wasnt for the test. I wouldnt have had any drive at all.
 
slyder190 said:
Deca and Proviron is not a "Deca only" cycle. I'm, not knocking Deca, but it's hard to say wehter you would've had the same outcome without running Proviron as well
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proviron has 0 anabolic effect so it is a deca only.

it's like saying your doing a test prop cycle with novaldex, so it's not a test only cycle because your using novaldex :rolleyes:
 
test-monkey said:
proviron has 0 anabolic effect so it is a deca only.

it's like saying your doing a test prop cycle with novaldex, so it's not a test only cycle because your using novaldex :rolleyes:
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I was under the impression that Proviron assisted with progesterone maintenance thereby controlling prolactin levels. That is why Deca works so well when Proviron is added(50mg ED). Thought the Proviron aided with the Deca sides...could be wrong though. Test-monkey....I am a Proviron fan as it works wonders with my libido! Makes me shed like a rottweiler in the summer, hence my hesitance to use it.

Have a good night!
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
I COMPETELY disagree.. I use a standard dose of 4-500 mg /week and adding deca greatly reduced my sex drive even with the test.

BUT I wasnt using Dostinex either.

Deca will hurt your sex drive.. if it wasnt for the test. I wouldnt have had any drive at all.
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I completely feel you on this, bro.

My dick just hung there like a dead snake.....it was pretty pathetic.

DIV

:chomp:
 
help4john said:
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I was under the impression that Proviron assisted with progesterone maintenance thereby controlling prolactin levels. That is why Deca works so well when Proviron is added(50mg ED). Thought the Proviron aided with the Deca sides...could be wrong though. Test-monkey....I am a Proviron fan as it works wonders with my libido! Makes me shed like a rottweiler in the summer, hence my hesitance to use it.

Have a good night!
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proviron has no effect on progesterone. it is a mild anti-Estrogen, but not progesterone. maybe your thinking of winny.

I am also a huge fan of proviron, and it does work well with deca in the sense that it works wonders for your sex drive like you said, thats about the only aid it will do with deca.
 
How deca affects you depends on your body's chemistry. Like i said, the first time i ren it i got deca dick. Second time no deca dick and could go for hours. Go figure.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
I've stated this over and over again, and been argued with. "Deca dick" is a psychosomatic side effect created by the internet. People who do not read message boards do not seem to have this problem. I've known many people offline who do deca only cycles who do not read message boards, who claim it increases their libido and they can fuck like rabbits on it.
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I took a Deca only cycle as my first cycle and if anything I had an increased libido like you mentioned along with the basic minor acne-and sum increase in my temper.

What I want to know is if I had no problems with Deca my first time using it, does that give me a strong chance of having the same outcome the second time around or is their still a strong chance I can have some of these other affects?
 
I wouldnt say deca "will" hurt sex drive. I think the correct wording would be "can". For that its worth it increases mine.
 
The only serious side effect I've ever had with Deca is that it made my muscles bigger..... permanently. I had no problems with sex drive, my dick functioned almost perfectly both during and after the cycle. I'm not prone to gyno, and water retention was very mild... much less than with test or dbol. Dosage was 400mg/wk.

I was going to agree with BodyByFinaplix that "deca dick" is psychosomatic and applies only to people who spend too much time on the web, but after reading so many posts with people swearing they really really got it from Deca and the web had nothing to do with it, I think there might be some truth in it. I guess some people just happen to be too sensitive to progesterone, and that's why they cannot tolerate drugs that have progestagenic activity, like nandrolone. However I feel these people are only a small minority.

Some people claim the decanoate ester is too long (10 carbons), and therefore it takes too long for Deca to leave your body after the cycle. This is a reasonable and acceptable argument, but let me remind you that the undecylenate ester in EQ is actually longer by one carbon. However I don't see the same people complain about EQ.

It's worth mentioning that nandrolone is the only steroid that's not hard at the skin, scalp, and prostate and thus it is the best choice for those particularly concerned with these things. Read here for more info http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/deca-durabolin.htm
 
juicer99 said:
I started a Deca only on sunday. 600 mg a week for ten weeks. I really can't run too much other stuff due to hairloss. I'll keep you all posted on results and sides as well as PCT.

PEACE
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you can probably safely run var and eq even with predisposition to mpb. I do & I do.
 
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