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Debunking a few myths on this site and others.

mattdan

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I’ve been reading a lot of half truths and myths on this board for some time. What generally happens is someone reads some bad info on a board, takes it as truth, and spreads it around. Kinda like the urban legends we’re all so familiar with.

I don’t claim to be “the expert” but I have more experience than almost everyone on this board. I doubt many on this board have ever done a physician supervised cycle as a pro athelete, and very few have over 23 years of experience studying and using this stuff. That DOES NOT make me perfect. About the only changes over the last 23 years is improvement of P.CT and the explosion of UGL’s. Otherwise, same compounds, same doses, same training, etc.

Myth 1. Oral only cycles are a waste of time.

Well those of us that have ACTUALLY DONE oral only cycles successfully would love to know where this load came from. No one saying that has actually ever done one, I can assure you that. Protein synthesis is the same weather it came from deca or d.bol. The protein doesn’t know why it’s there. My very first cycle was d.bol only from an American pharmacy. My bench went up about 150 lbs, deadlifts and squats went up around 150 to 200 lbs each The only P.CT I took was some h.cg a friend gave me.

I am not saying oral only is the best way to do it. I am saying that it’s not the waste of time many here would have you believe.

Myth 2. You shouldn’t take gear if your BF is over 10%

Please tell that to the Strongman competitors, football players and power lifters. Apparently someone forgot to tell them that gear won’t work for them.

Myth 3. Which test is best?????

Look, I’m NOT saying all tests are identical, what I will say is the differences are NOT NEARLY what many will try and tell you on this board.

Here are the facts – An ester is a carbon and hydrogen based chain attached to the testosterone molecule at the 17th carbon position. ALL this ester does is reduce the water solubility of the molecule and make it unusable to the body until it is removed.. The body’s esterace cleaves off this ester leaving an intact molecule of test.

What everyone needs to understand is that once the ester is removed, the test molecule is IDENTICAL, regardless of what ester chain USED to be attached to it.

The primary difference is how often the body’s test level peaks and troughs. I think this is the main difference people see.

Myth 4. If you do dianabol at 20mg a day for 10 weeks you’ll need a new liver.

Tell that to the people that did a study using doses of 100mg a day for up to 8 weeks with no permanent change in liver function.

This is another case of internet knowledge vs actually reading studies and talking to PHD’s.

Even Bill Roberts recommends 8 to 10 week cycles at twice that dosage.

Myth 5. I’ll finish this later.
 
I don't know about them being "myths" -- more like exaggerations and hair splitting opinions.

I agree with everything for the most part. You had me right till the end where you say ; "Even Bill Roberts recommends..." That's not the greatest endorsment since the guy has been proven wrong with just about every one of his "original" theories.

Keep one thing in mind about orals. A single pill can cure anemia, muscle wasting and several other severe conditions. They are very powerful and not meant to be taken at 10 times the dosage. Sure, it won't destroy your liver right away, but let's not pretend it isn't dangerous just because people aren't dropping like flys. I personally know people who had liver problems from oral abuse. Even the pros don't go overboard with orals.

I often wonder what happens to people right here on this board who take 100 mgs a day and suddenly we don't hear from them anymore. Did they just quit? Got tired of posting? Who really knows?
 
Nelson Montana said:
I don't know about them being "myths" -- more like exaggerations and hair splitting opinions.

I agree with everything for the most part. You had me right till the end where you say ; "Even Bill Roberts recommends..."

100 mgs a day and suddenly we don't hear from them anymore. Did they just quit? Got tired of posting? Who really knows?

Your point 1 - Agreed 100%. I actually meant to clarify that a bit better.

your point 2 - Agreed, but there are plenty of other credible sources on this point.

Your point 3 - I didn't mean to sound like I was endorsing doses at 100mg. I don't at all and if it came across like that, I want to clarify that right now. My point is that there have been actual medical studies of d.bol up to that dose and has been proven safe. So bros that say doses of 20 or 30 mg for 8 or 10 weeks will destroy your liver simply have no basis for saying that.

I would also say that the liver has a pretty good ability to heal itself as long as any potential damage isn't extensive.
 
I'm not going to disagree with calling any of those myths myths, but, like you, I have been actively experimenting for many years. Early on, I was fascinated with the scientific side and would get blood tests every week or two, both on and off cycle.

Speaking from my personal experience, I did find that oral cycles caused liver values to shift more dramatically than non-oral cycles. For me, this was enough to shift away from them since I didn't see any extra value except for convenience.

I think the bottom line is people respond differently. There is no right answer for everyone, so to be safe people should do regular blood tests (both on and off). It's expensive, but the cost of real damage is higher...
 
This is an awesome thread and I am interested in hearing more from Mattdan. Great thread bro, THANK YOU!
 
Mattdan, I agree.

But it still doesn't change the fact that an all oral cycle is stupid . .

Injectable steroids are less harmful on your body and liver than orals.

I do agree that an all oral cycle can be done with good results, but

there just isn't too much sense behind doing an all oral cycle.

Unless of course you can't get ahold of an injectable steroid or pins.

Like they say, "don't neglect the inject."
 
2excel said:
I'm not going to disagree with calling any of those myths myths, but, like you, I have been actively experimenting for many years. Early on, I was fascinated with the scientific side and would get blood tests every week or two, both on and off cycle.

Speaking from my personal experience, I did find that oral cycles caused liver values to shift more dramatically than non-oral cycles. For me, this was enough to shift away from them since I didn't see any extra value except for convenience.

I think the bottom line is people respond differently. There is no right answer for everyone, so to be safe people should do regular blood tests (both on and off). It's expensive, but the cost of real damage is higher...

It is very true that everyone responds differently. It's also true that orals will cause your liver values to "shift more dramatically than non orals" as you say. But shifting values and entering the dangerous areas are two different things.
 
krbn08 said:
Mattdan, I agree.

But it still doesn't change the fact that an all oral cycle is stupid . .

Injectable steroids are less harmful on your body and liver than orals.

I do agree that an all oral cycle can be done with good results, but

there just isn't too much sense behind doing an all oral cycle.

Unless of course you can't get ahold of an injectable steroid or pins.

Like they say, "don't neglect the inject."

The only thing I really disagree with in your post is the word "stupid" An oral only cycle is not "stupid" but it is not the optimum way to do a cycle.

There is nothing wrong with it as long as the doses are within the safe range.

One possible explaination of this misunderstanding that you lose all your gains on an oral cycle is that d.bol and a.drol are two of the most popular compounds used. Both cause A LOT of water retention. When off cycle the water goes away giving the impression that all your gains were lost.
 
mattdan said:
The only thing I really disagree with in your post is the word "stupid" An oral only cycle is not "stupid" but it is not the optimum way to do a cycle.

There is nothing wrong with it as long as the doses are within the safe range.

One possible explaination of this misunderstanding that you lose all your gains on an oral cycle is that d.bol and a.Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - are two of the most popular compounds used. Both cause A LOT of water retention. When off cycle the water goes away giving the impression that all your gains were lost.

Sorry that you don't agree with that, but it is stupid.

Stupidity is when you have the choice to choose between an all oral

cycle or an oral with an injectable steroid alongside, but you choose the all

oral cycle because your scared of jabbing a pin in your ass each week.

Therefore your liver has to deal with your bullshit descision of being a pussy. :jenscat

If your unable to get ahold of an injectable steroid tho . . then go for it with

the all oral cycle cause that's the best your able to get ahold of.

I never said you couldn't get results from an oral cycle, but i did say that when

you have the option between the two . . don't be stupid.
 
steroids will do major liver damage
But before you would die from liver inflamation
your skin would turn yellow,eyes yellow,your shit would be like water,You would start losing hair,your complexion would get nasty,you would get scabs all over your body,you would itch 24 hours a day and scratch yourself insane.you would prob lose atleast 20 -40 lbs of muscle.
So if you kept taking steroids even though all those things were happening then you would be not the smartest person on the planet

But when you relize things are getting bad like your eyes,tinted a little yellow,you start to put off foul oders then thats the first sighns if liver inflamation ,it is a serious thing blocking the hepta ducts not allowing bile to digest food and filter out dead red blood cells in other words your body starts malfunctioning.

With a bad liver your gonna be sick all the time,your not gonna absorb the nutrients needed to be a body builder,

So with that respect your liver 100mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only is not the brightest choice to run for a cycle.
Some people can handle it some people cant.
chances are for every one that can 12 others will get some kind of damage

So i am sure once it comes to the oral debate "i did a all oral cycle and made great gains" chances are you could have done a all oil cycle and made 3 times as good of gains and not put your liver at as much of a risk.

i would say that a all oral anavar cycle would be great and i can accept that becuase its lean muscle gains.But a all Dianabol - methandrostenolone - or anadrol high dose cycle is just asking to look like a fucking toad with water retention making your neck vanish and a giant cranuim sitting on shoulders.Then you will get your neck back once the water bloat goes away 4 week after the cycle is over along with what ou thougt was "mucle gains"

test is test no one argues that we argue what test is effective for each person individual goals
for instance test suspention vs testosterone enanthate big diff in the amount of shots and over all effects of the two drugs on the body reguards to water and strenght gains

but good thread its hardley anyone on here invents new ideas or is acredited with new discoveries pretty much of us are just telling what we have read or heard from others
so it is eazy to see how things can get exaggerated over the years
 
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