Dead lift muscle pull

[halfcenturian]

NEVER ARCH YOUR BACK when doing deads, or rows. or any bent over back exercise. I pulled my lower back but good right by my Butt coming down on a dead lift. 280, third set... YEEEEOOOWWWCH !!!
I know better !!! Now it hurts to lean forward to wash my hands.
Ice, stretching, and Advil.

Just a reminder to be careful out there.... I have about a 3 week recoup time now. Dammit!

 

[GUARDIAN]

i am having the smae problem now except i dont recall arching my back. i was doing weighted hyperextensions.

 

[hd heritage]

that sux man, set-backs are so frustrating. i have to do my deads off the rack, 2nd hole up. just cant come from the floor, being tall doesnt help either. no longer than I've been doing deads I can see how critical proper form is. hope you have a quick recovery half.

 

[SouthernLord]

NEVER ARCH YOUR BACK

What?? So you should use a rounded back? Or do you mean not to overly arch your back?

 

[nutshairy]

i tweaked my lower back about a month ago,trying to be a big man, 405lbs repping.it was my third time doing deads.im about 95% now and ready to start doing them again,with a belt this time though

 

[dabuffguy]

NEVER ARCH YOUR BACK when doing deads, or rows. or any bent over back exercise. I pulled my lower back but good right by my Butt coming down on a dead lift. 280, third set... YEEEEOOOWWWCH !!!
I know better !!! Now it hurts to lean forward to wash my hands.
Ice, stretching, and Advil.

Just a reminder to be careful out there.... I have about a 3 week recoup time now. Dammit!

oh dear, yes always keep your head up, and back straight. The last thing you want to do it arch your back in the least. You could easily herniate a disk doing deads with bad form. and believe me, that shit sucks. I herniated a disk 4 years ago, and has left me almost crippled.

 

[thebadguy54]

NEVER ARCH YOUR BACK when doing deads, or rows. or any bent over back exercise. I pulled my lower back but good right by my Butt coming down on a dead lift. 280, third set... YEEEEOOOWWWCH !!!
I know better !!! Now it hurts to lean forward to wash my hands.
Ice, stretching, and Advil.

Just a reminder to be careful out there.... I have about a 3 week recoup time now. Dammit!

I've done this twice. The first time was last year during PCT. I tried to DL what I was doing while on... which was about 2.2 x bodywieght (455 lbs.)

Then I did it again in the summer and had to cut my TE, EQ cycle short.

I haven't Deadlifted anything heavier than 425 since the first injury. Sucks ass.

Get well bro.

 

[jnef]

and the real world consequences of jumping on without the natural base/experience every talks about.....

Take note

haha sorry, couldnt resist - that was sent to me on mypost earlier today about my pull

hope you have a speedy recovery bro, im actually kinda depressed about being out 6 weeks but i guess its a good a time as any to focus on my legs and cardio

 

[eddymerckx]

NEVER ARCH YOUR BACK when doing deads, or rows. or any bent over back exercise. I pulled my lower back but good right by my Butt coming down on a dead lift. 280, third set... YEEEEOOOWWWCH !!!
I know better !!! Now it hurts to lean forward to wash my hands.
Ice, stretching, and Advil.

Just a reminder to be careful out there.... I have about a 3 week recoup time now. Dammit!

i would love to make and old man joke ---but i lost six months of biking b/c of a groin pull--builing a set of landscape stairs with 60 lb pound blocks (the least it could have been was a couple of hundrend, but no, 60 little pound)--now that is embarassing

so this means you have more time to hunt for cyclists.. ..i think i will buy a spinning bike

 

[GUARDIAN]

i would love to make and old man joke

i wouldnt do that if i were u!

 

[eddymerckx]

i wouldnt do that if i were u!

yea, but he can't get me if i bike indoors....unless he rents a bulldozer....hmmmm, may have to retract my post

 

[halfcenturian]

yea, but he can't get me if i bike indoors....unless he rents a bulldozer....hmmmm, may have to retract my post

I know better, but I let up on the way down and "rounded" my back for just a second and ZZZZZING.... Chiansaw up the ass!

I'm just pissed because I know how debilitating a lower back injury can be.
Especially for an OLD MAN like me! I was not going that heavy either. It was just a stupid, momentary lapse of reason. I think I'm done with deads.

 

[chazk]

I did the same thing as you . I was finishing up on the last rep lowered the weight but leaned forward and rounded my back shit tightened up real quick stupid slut at the next squat rack over was doing stifflegged deadlifts face away from me with her ass sticking up .
Every time I went up she bent over , ever time I bent down she went up. I started luaghing to my self and could not focus. Took 5 days of limping around then it felt better used a hot pad and some aspirn. 3 weeks before I could dead .Shit sucked becuase deads really keep over all body mass up

 

[HAYEZ]

back a few years ago my form was horrible and i fucked my back up so bad i couldnt walk right..ended up laying around for 3 months getting fat eat vicdons and skalaxins like candy

 

[halfcenturian]

back a few years ago my form was horrible and i fucked my back up so bad i couldnt walk right..ended up laying around for 3 months getting fat eat vicdons and skalaxins like candy

Say... Where can fella GET some Vicdons and Skalakins?

Or even some Hairoin or Morfeen?

 

[GUARDIAN]

Say... Where can fella GET some Vicdons and Skalakins?

Or even some Hairoin or Morfeen?

using some of my wife's old pain stuff. it really isnt helping much. i need a muscle relaxer

 

[gjohnson5]

I agree. If anything you back should be arched when doing pulls...

What?? So you should use a rounded back? Or do you mean not to overly arch your back?

 

[HAYEZ]

Say... Where can fella GET some Vicdons and Skalakins?

Or even some Hairoin or Morfeen?

stfu I was tired lolllol

 

[james629]

I hurt mine a while back and would have pain down my left ass cheek for months anytime I would sit down for awhile. Its pretty good now and deads are stronger then ever. Most people including myself dont hurt them selves on the real heavy lifts it is after you make the lift or doing down sets and get sloppy. For me, I have really started focusing on dragging the bar aginst my legs up and down. I also agree with gjohnson that a a rounded back at the right time helps and getting your hips into the weight once over the knees does wonders for strength and safety.

 

[IronmanLV]

I think I'm done with deads.

Now that is the correct answer. Too much risk for too little reward. I have seen deads ruin more bodybuilders and powerlifters careers in all of the yrs I've been doing this (36 yrs +) than any other movement. Leave them alone and stick with hypers and Good Mornings.

Sorry to hear about the injury Bro. Try ice, ibuprofen and massage for the first 48 hrs then switch to heat there after and take it easy for a couple of weeks.

 

[halfcenturian]

Now that is the correct answer. Too much risk for too little reward. I have seen deads ruin more bodybuilders and powerlifters careers in all of the yrs I've been doing this (36 yrs +) than any other movement. Leave them alone and stick with hypers and Good Mornings.

Sorry to hear about the injury Bro. Try ice, ibuprofen and massage for the first 48 hrs then switch to heat there after and take it easy for a couple of weeks.

Thanks, bro... Ya, I really think it is for me. I hate to say I'm too old to be pullin' 350 in deads, but I'M TOO OLD. Too much to lose.
I can do bent rows, machine rows, reverse bent flys, all with Dumbs, or 200lbs or less on a barbell. I can handle that. I have good core strength. Rather work lats, traps anyway.

My real point of this thread was to warn you all about what a split second of bad form can do. I know how to do deads !!! But I released too early because I was tired and un-focused. The weight all went from my legs to my lower back . SO BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!

 

[JLowe02]

yea i never go heavy on deads for that reason. I love doing them and i think i have permanent scars on my shins from them, but i will never go heavy or to the point of failure with them. Just enough to give me a good strain, no sense in taking the risk.

 

[ceo]

Now that is the correct answer. Too much risk for too little reward. I have seen deads ruin more bodybuilders and powerlifters careers in all of the yrs I've been doing this (36 yrs +) than any other movement. Leave them alone and stick with hypers and Good Mornings.

Sorry, I do not agree with the above quoted statement at all.

You can't be serious?!?!? "Too much risk for too little reward."????? Too little reward? Dude, there's probably no other exercise with so MUCH reward than deads for your entire body overall. Squats being right up there as well. WTF? Surprised to see so many anti-deadlifters over here.

Absolute focus and control must be maintained when doing deads. If you can't do THAT...then don't do deads! Or any other compound lift for that matter!

 

[JLowe02]

Sorry, I do not agree with the above quoted statement at all.

You can't be serious?!?!? "Too much risk for too little reward."????? Too little reward? Dude, there's probably no other exercise with so MUCH reward than deads for your entire body overall. Squats being right up there as well. WTF? Surprised to see so many anti-deadlifters over here.

Absolute focus and control must be maintained when doing deads. If you can't do THAT...then don't do deads! Or any other compound lift for that matter!

i agree with you on the deads, but its true that the risk of injury is great, and some people need to avoid it for that reason. maintaining absolute form and focus is much easier to say than it is to stick to 100% of the time. and all it takes is one slip up to hurt your back. i know, because ive hurt my back plenty of times. I believe in the deadlift, but i cant stress enough to be safe first. No need to use heavy weight if you are not a power lifter!

 

[binö]

what type of world do we live in were the majority cry about deadlifts being too dangerous yet the same criers have no qualms about injecting bathtub test for weeks and weeks on end
wtf?

 

[JLowe02]

what type of world do we live in were the majority cry about deadlifts being too dangerous yet the same criers have no qualms about injecting bathtub test for weeks and weeks on end
wtf?

im not crying about anything, im just stressing safety. this isnt a bench press. the dead lift is my favorite routine.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Sorry, I do not agree with the above quoted statement at all.

You can't be serious?!?!? "Too much risk for too little reward."????? Too little reward? Dude, there's probably no other exercise with so MUCH reward than deads for your entire body overall. Squats being right up there as well. WTF? Surprised to see so many anti-deadlifters over here.

Absolute focus and control must be maintained when doing deads. If you can't do THAT...then don't do deads! Or any other compound lift for that matter!

Deadlifts never hurt anyone, improper form does.

 

[small but working on it]

Say... Where can fella GET some Vicdons and Skalakins?

Or even some Hairoin or Morfeen?

LOL, I be wantin' sum tem Morfeen and Skalakins twoooo

Deads can be deadly to be sure. I have "felt it" before but luckily got the weight down or got the back right before I hurt myself. I hate em but if I dont do them, I almost immediately start losing size, it is a hell of a mass building exercise. Good thread, bros please watch your form. I always do mine with a mirror across from myself to make sure I am not "cheating"

 

[IronmanLV]

Sorry, I do not agree with the above quoted statement at all.

You can't be serious?!?!? "Too much risk for too little reward."????? Too little reward? Dude, there's probably no other exercise with so MUCH reward than deads for your entire body overall. Squats being right up there as well. WTF? Surprised to see so many anti-deadlifters over here.

Absolute focus and control must be maintained when doing deads. If you can't do THAT...then don't do deads! Or any other compound lift for that matter!

I am a pro BB and I train with the best in the business and guess what? You'll rarely if ever see pros do deads because they don't want to risk their careers. It's just not worth it. Now powerlifting, different story. However once you herniate the lumbar disks you will never be the same lifter ever again. If you have the surgery to correct it you're fucked and the same if you don't. Either way your lifting days are over. But If you like em Bro keep on doing them if you think it's worth the potential of being a cripple. When you can't lift in a few yrs because of back injuries remember you've been warned.

 

[BBR100]

I am a pro BB and I train with the best in the business and guess what? You'll rarely if ever see pros do deads because they don't want to risk their careers. It's just not worth it. Now powerlifting, different story. However once you herniate the lumbar disks you will never be the same lifter ever again. If you have the surgery to correct it you're fucked and the same if you don't. Either way your lifting days are over. But If you like em Bro keep on doing them if you think it's worth the potential of being a cripple. When you can't lift in a few yrs because of back injuries remember you've been warned.

You're probably more knowledgeable than me. I'm satisfied when I get my 3 days/wk at gym.
Without deads and other compound lifts I think I'd be wasting my time.
Reminder to keep proper form can't be overstressed though.
Good thing not too many hot women at my gym.

 

[ceo]

I am a pro BB and I train with the best in the business and guess what? You'll rarely if ever see pros do deads because they don't want to risk their careers. It's just not worth it.

You'd better tell that to your pro buddies doing deads here:

Dorian pulled over 700 too.

I'd say these guys all had pretty great careers. Johnnie Jackson still does deads, and he's got a pretty promising BB'ing career still ahead of him.

I think the pros you'll see deadlifting are the ones with the biggest backs. The thickest pros on stage built those big bodies with lifts like deads (squats, bench, etc.). Once they GET those big physiques some of them may not deadlift as much or as often, but you can bet your ass they got big doing deads.

So, if you never want to be as big as you could possbily be...don't do deads. If you want to get as big as you possibly can, learn how to do deads properly.

 

[IronmanLV]

You'd better tell that to your pro buddies doing deads here:

Dorian pulled over 700 too.

I'd say these guys all had pretty great careers. Johnnie Jackson still does deads, and he's got a pretty promising BB'ing career still ahead of him.

I think the pros you'll see deadlifting are the ones with the biggest backs. The thickest pros on stage built those big bodies with lifts like deads (squats, bench, etc.). Once they GET those big physiques some of them may not deadlift as much or as often, but you can bet your ass they got big doing deads.

So, if you never want to be as big as you could possbily be...don't do deads. If you want to get as big as you possibly can, learn how to do deads properly.

I didn't say no one does them. I said those who do risk their careers.

BTW...My stats = 36 yrs lifting, 5' 9", 265, 8% body fat off season, in contest shape around 240, 4% body fat, 15 yrs IFBB Pro, several titles that I can't reveal because I can't reveal my ID for legal reasons on here but if you've been around you know who I am. I don't think I need to worry too much about my size and I don't do deads.

 

[djeclipse]

I am a pro BB and I train with the best in the business and guess what? You'll rarely if ever see pros do deads because they don't want to risk their careers. It's just not worth it. Now powerlifting, different story. However once you herniate the lumbar disks you will never be the same lifter ever again. If you have the surgery to correct it you're fucked and the same if you don't. Either way your lifting days are over. But If you like em Bro keep on doing them if you think it's worth the potential of being a cripple. When you can't lift in a few yrs because of back injuries remember you've been warned.

You're kidding right?

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=W1KD7cGRDDc

I guess Ronnie Coleman doesn't know what he's doing.

Good thing we have you to tell us how the "pro's" train..... You better send a message to Ronnie before he hurts himself and ruins his career as a pro...

Learn to lift properly and you won't have to worry about hurting yourself durring a lift

 

[djeclipse]

You'd better tell that to your pro buddies doing deads here:

Dorian pulled over 700 too.

I'd say these guys all had pretty great careers. Johnnie Jackson still does deads, and he's got a pretty promising BB'ing career still ahead of him.

I think the pros you'll see deadlifting are the ones with the biggest backs. The thickest pros on stage built those big bodies with lifts like deads (squats, bench, etc.). Once they GET those big physiques some of them may not deadlift as much or as often, but you can bet your ass they got big doing deads.

So, if you never want to be as big as you could possbily be...don't do deads. If you want to get as big as you possibly can, learn how to do deads properly.

oops, looks like you beat me to it. lol

As you said, Squats and Deads are the 2 best lifts for putting on mass/ muscle.

 

[IronmanLV]

You're kidding right?

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=W1KD7cGRDDc

I guess Ronnie Coleman doesn't know what he's doing.

Good thing we have you to tell us how the "pro's" train..... You better send a message to Ronnie before he hurts himself and ruins his career as a pro...

Learn to lift properly and you won't have to worry about hurting yourself durring a lift

I have my pro card bro, where's yours?

 

[djeclipse]

I have my pro card bro, where's yours?

Good for you.

But in that means nothing to me, and still doesn't change the fact that you're clueless when it comes to this subject.

Are you going to tell Coleman, Arnold, Yates that they shouldn't be dead lifting. I'd love to see that. Please make a vid and post it on youtube, we could all use a good laugh.

EDIT: This is the internet, anyone can say they have their pro card... heck, I have one too. Saying you have your "pro card" or even having your pro card still doesn't validate what you are saying.

You sound like the tool at the GNC store that told me that I needed a PWO shake right after my W/O, otherwise I won't grow and I just wasted my time lifting. After I laughed at him he tried to validate what he was saying by telling me "I'm a body builder, I have competed, so I know what I'm talking about. Made me laugh even more.

 

[ceo]

I didn't say no one does them. I said those who do risk their careers.

BTW...My stats = 36 yrs lifting, 5' 9", 265, 8% body fat off season, in contest shape around 240, 4% body fat, 15 yrs IFBB Pro, several titles that I can't reveal because I can't reveal my ID for legal reasons on here but if you've been around you know who I am. I don't think I need to worry too much about my size and I don't do deads.

So you're telling me you NEVER did deads ever?

What I'm saying is that these pro's who, "rarely if ever do deads because they don't want to risk their careers," probably did a LOT of deads when they started training and for a number of years after that. I challenge you to find me a 250+ lb. mass monster on stage who never did a heavy dead. You may find some genetic freak like Paul Dillet or Flex or Lee Priest who can get huge just walking to the store and mowing their lawn every sunday...but I bet they even did a few deads in their careers.

Just think...if you'd done more deads maybe you'd be 265 on stage instead of 240!!!!!!!!!!!!@#! lol

 

[IronmanLV]

So you're telling me you NEVER did deads ever?

What I'm saying is that these pro's who, "rarely if ever do deads because they don't want to risk their careers," probably did a LOT of deads when they started training and for a number of years after that. I challenge you to find me a 250+ lb. mass monster on stage who never did a heavy dead. You may find some genetic freak like Paul Dillet or Flex or Lee Priest who can get huge just walking to the store and mowing their lawn every sunday...but I bet they even did a few deads in their careers.

Just think...if you'd done more deads maybe you'd be 265 on stage instead of 240!!!!!!!!!!!!@#! lol

Trust me dude, I've done deads and lots of them before I damn near crippled myself. Thus the voice of experience. There are other compound lifts that will give you the same overall benefits like Squats, Benches, Chins, etc which aren't as dangerous as deads that give your body the same kind of CNS stimulation without the potential danger of crippling yourself. I feel the same way with Behind the Neck Presses too.

As far as size goes I bet I can match anyone on this site height, weight and body fat, etc.

And to djeclipse...God I wish I could reveal my identity, but you're just not worth it. I bet if you knew who you were fucking with you might have a little more respect. I'm not the kid at GNC for sure, lol. Then again you may be one of those Internet tough guys and if that's the case you're too tough to respect anyone or anything.

My final thoughts on this thread are opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and some assholes have opinions. Think about it,

 

[SouthernLord]

I am a pro BB and I train with the best in the business and guess what? You'll rarely if ever see pros do deads because they don't want to risk their careers. It's just not worth it. Now powerlifting, different story. However once you herniate the lumbar disks you will never be the same lifter ever again. If you have the surgery to correct it you're fucked and the same if you don't. Either way your lifting days are over. But If you like em Bro keep on doing them if you think it's worth the potential of being a cripple. When you can't lift in a few yrs because of back injuries remember you've been warned.

Thanks
Some impressionable young lad is going to read this and swear off deads because they are dangerous. He will forever be indebted to your for his sub-par back development. lol.

 

[ceo]

Trust me dude, I've done deads and lots of them before I damn near crippled myself. Thus the voice of experience. There are other compound lifts that will give you the same overall benefits like Squats, Benches, Chins, etc which aren't as dangerous as deads that give your body the same kind of CNS stimulation without the potential danger of crippling yourself. I feel the same way with Behind the Neck Presses too.

As far as size goes I bet I can match anyone on this site height, weight and body fat, etc.

And to djeclipse...God I wish I could reveal my identity, but you're just not worth it. I bet if you knew who you were fucking with you might have a little more respect. I'm not the kid at GNC for sure, lol. Then again you may be one of those Internet tough guys and if that's the case you're too tough to respect anyone or anything.

My final thoughts on this thread are opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and some assholes have opinions. Think about it,

There you go! I bet you got huge doing deads and other compound lifts...not with isolation movements like DB concentration curls and kickbacks! That's my point.

Some kids new to BB'ing will pick up M&F and read those routines the pros do and think that's how they will get huge! But, it ain't!!! You and I both know this. Fact is, if you had never done a DL in your life you wouldn't be 240 @ 4% on stage! I think the best thing anyone who's new to this and wants to be a BB'er can do is to train with and like a PL'er for at least a few years to get some good size before training like a BB'er.

I think the advice to give here is to learn how to do these great size building movements properly, and use them to build a massive physique, so that you can get to a point where you rarely if ever have to do them to maintain that physique. When you sculpt a statue, you don't start out with a tiny marble, you get the biggest damn rock you can find and start chiseling it down.

By the way, I respect your stats and experience. I was fucking with you about the doing deads and you'd be 265 on stage...I hope you got that!

 

[JLowe02]

there are good arguments for either side, but the bottom line remains that deads are good size and if you want to them you need to be careful and always use correct form, as they are definitely potentially dangerous.

 

[chazk]

I am a pro BB and I train with the best in the business and guess what? You'll rarely if ever see pros do deads because they don't want to risk their careers. It's just not worth it. Now powerlifting, different story. However once you herniate the lumbar disks you will never be the same lifter ever again. If you have the surgery to correct it you're fucked and the same if you don't. Either way your lifting days are over. But If you like em Bro keep on doing them if you think it's worth the potential of being a cripple. When you can't lift in a few yrs because of back injuries remember you've been warned.

Youtube for vids.
Coleman,cutler,martinez ,d jackson, wheeler,ray all have vids of them doing deads.

Just becuase you are a pro and does do not do deads. Do not be so quick to assume deads are usless. Deads when done correct are the best excersize to build grip,strenght and lower back development.
Hyper all you want and goodmorning all you want nothing hits that lower back and lower section of the lats like deads.deads are like a low row and standing hyper combined.


Bodybuilder deadlifts and powerlifter dead lifts are two different things.

Bodybuilder do deads with lighter weights lifting and pulling with the lats and squeezing the back. To isolate the lower lats and back.

powerlifter style is a wider leg stance using more forarm, bicep and legs to thrust up and back to pull the wieght up and in to the body. Just a over all movements not really isolating anything but using the entire body

Bodybuilder style deads can really strenghten the lower back to prevent injury.
powerlifter style done to max weight would more likely be the one to cuase damage just due to the fact of over load on the lower back and joints.
yes someone can go " to heavey" on any excersize and do damage.

 

[chazk]

I didn't say no one does them. I said those who do risk their careers.

BTW...My stats = 36 yrs lifting, 5' 9", 265, 8% body fat off season, in contest shape around 240, 4% body fat, 15 yrs IFBB Pro, several titles that I can't reveal because I can't reveal my ID for legal reasons on here but if you've been around you know who I am. I don't think I need to worry too much about my size and I don't do deads.

Post some pics please

 

[djeclipse]

Trust me dude, I've done deads and lots of them before I damn near crippled myself.

1. I can't stand hypocrites.

Like ceo says, after all that talk about how no "pro's do deads, you now say you've done deads in the past.

2. I'd be willing to bet that the reason you hurt yourself was improper form mixed in with Ego/ lifting too much weight with improper form.

Thus the voice of experience. There are other compound lifts that will give you the same overall benefits like Squats, Benches, Chins, etc which aren't as dangerous as deads that give your body the same kind of CNS stimulation without the potential danger of crippling yourself.

Are you kidding me? Bench press & chins are giving your body the same stimulation as Deads? Now I've heard it all, you have lost all credit if you truly believe this.

As far as size goes I bet I can match anyone on this site height, weight and body fat, etc.

And you've also done Deads which as ceo said, is what got you there, not by doing isolation exercises, big compound movements like Deads.

And to djeclipse...God I wish I could reveal my identity, but you're just not worth it. I bet if you knew who you were fucking with you might have a little more respect. I'm not the kid at GNC for sure, lol. Then again you may be one of those Internet tough guys and if that's the case you're too tough to respect anyone or anything.

Who I'm fucking with? Respect is earned, I could care less who you are. When you come here giving horrible advice and then trying to validate it by saying "I have my pro card"... that does not earn you any respect in my book.

I am not fucking with anyone, I am (as well as others) are setting the record straight for new lifters reading the board with fresh minds, looking for advice.

What IronmanLV is saying about deadlifts is completly wrong.

This is all I am saying.

I'm not the one talking shit about stats, being a pro, you're the internet tough guy right now and it doesn't help your creditability one bit.

 

[djeclipse]

Post some pics please

He can't post pics, he's a top secret agent pro...

 

[IronmanLV]

There you go! I bet you got huge doing deads and other compound lifts...not with isolation movements like DB concentration curls and kickbacks! That's my point.

Some kids new to BB'ing will pick up M&F and read those routines the pros do and think that's how they will get huge! But, it ain't!!! You and I both know this. Fact is, if you had never done a DL in your life you wouldn't be 240 @ 4% on stage! I think the best thing anyone who's new to this and wants to be a BB'er can do is to train with and like a PL'er for at least a few years to get some good size before training like a BB'er.

I think the advice to give here is to learn how to do these great size building movements properly, and use them to build a massive physique, so that you can get to a point where you rarely if ever have to do them to maintain that physique. When you sculpt a statue, you don't start out with a tiny marble, you get the biggest damn rock you can find and start chiseling it down.

By the way, I respect your stats and experience. I was fucking with you about the doing deads and you'd be 265 on stage...I hope you got that!

I agree with you about compound lifts. I just think that deads are very dangerous if not done with absolute concentration and very strict form. Round your back using a heavy weight and it could side line you permanently. Same goes with behind the neck presses with a bar. It's very dangerous one wrong move and you can separate your shoulder and if you are a real moron doing them w/o a competent spotter, someone you know and trust then you're a quad or dead.

I am a big believer in doing multi joint compound lifts and leave isolations to finish off the muscle group once you've developed that muscle group in the first place. Nothing is more ridiculous than a bean pole doing cable crossovers or Mr. Stork legs doing leg extensions, lol.

I knew you were giving me shit and that's all good Bro and thanks for the compliments.

Peace to all

 

[IronmanLV]

He can't post pics, he's a top secret agent pro...

I say if you want to do deads fine, just be extremely careful. One momentary loss of focus with a heavy load can ruin your back PERMANENTLY as in totally fucked for the rest of your life.

I didn't say deads wouldn't make you bigger and stronger but there are other safer ways to achieve similar results. Yes, there are other CNS stimulating compound lifts that can provide the same benefits to growth w/o the risk, like Squats.

Bottomline...We can debate this forever so let's agree to disagree. As far as the personal attacks go nothing good can come from it. Let's take the high road and bury the hatchet. PEACE!

The reason I can't reveal my identity is I am currently under investigation by the feds because they busted one of my sources. They have already executed a warrant on my home and always go through my mail. They are tying to nail me for distribution of AAS but what they found was only for personal use. I'm still fighting it. I still may wind up in shit just for the simple possession but I have an attorney working to keep my out of jail. The fact that I have never sold to anyone is the only reason I'm not in the slammer now and I'm trying to stay out. They are making my life a living hell right now and I don't need anymore shit. That's all I can divulge for now. I hope everyone understands. Take heed from my situation this could happen to any of you too.

 

[djeclipse]

I say if you want to do deads fine, just be extremely careful. One momentary loss of focus with a heavy load can ruin your back PERMANENTLY as in totally fucked for the rest of your life.

No one is saying to go out there, forget about form and try to pull 600 your first time doing the lift.

We are saying that 1. Deads are crutial to building muscle, stressing the entire body as well as give you a solid thick back. There is no other lift that can compare to the deadlift

2. As long as you keep the Ego out of the lift and work on form before going really heavy, deads are a great lift as the reward is monumental.

I didn't say deads wouldn't make you bigger and stronger but there are other safer ways to achieve similar results. Yes, there are other CNS stimulating compound lifts that can provide the same benefits to growth w/o the risk, like Squats.

I agree, squats and Deads are 2 most important lifts for building mass.

But Squats are just as bad as Deads when improper form is used. I would say Squats are even more "dangerous" if improper form is used as you are cairying the weight on your back, they require a very strong core and you can't just let go of the weight like deads, it is a skill in itself dropping the weight off your shoulders safely if you've never done it before.

I don't see how you are prosquats and so against Deads. With bo the exercises proper form is stressed as is adding weight to the bar, starting concervatively.

The deadlift is an important lift for mass building and we don't want to discourage anyone form learning the lift.

Bottomline...We can debate this forever so let's agree to disagree. As far as the personal attacks go nothing good can come from it. Let's take the high road and bury the hatchet. PEACE!

Cheers to that. Nothing personal.

The reason I can't reveal my identity is I am currently under investigation by the feds because they busted one of my sources. They have already executed a warrant on my home and always go through my mail. They are tying to nail me for distribution of AAS but what they found was only for personal use. I'm still fighting it. I still may wind up in shit just for the simple possession but I have an attorney working to keep my out of jail. The fact that I have never sold to anyone is the only reason I'm not in the slammer now and I'm trying to stay out. They are making my life a living hell right now and I don't need anymore shit. That's all I can divulge for now. I hope everyone understands. Take heed from my situation this could happen to any of you too.

Good luck with your case.