Dbol Only Cycle

[wootoom]

hey guys me and my buddy were planning a dbol only cycle after new years. we were thinking 40mg/ed for 8-10 weeks. we are both close to the same size. both on good diets. what are we to expect? what were your results? did you encounter sides? i know eveyone is different but feedback is much appreciated. thanks

 

[hammertime30]

The problem I have with running dbol for 10 weeks is that the gains usually stop around week 5-6 therefore you will just be putting unneccessary strain on your liver. However maybe you two may be one of the lucky ones that can actually continue to gain after 6 weeks, but I highly doubt it! I'm talking actual muscle gains not water weight!

 

[chordz]

Try it, I think you will like it. I tried dbol only, had tons of energy all day long, strong in the gym and great pumps. I stayed at a lower dose than what you are suggesting but I am a huge dbol fan now.

 

[wootoom]

cool thnks guys and ya Hammertime maybe 6-8 weeks is better. did you guys see any negative side effects?

 

[help4john]

That's a heavy dose! I bloat with 30mg/day...Arimidex at least .5mg EOD with DBOL to combat bloat. Other than that...you'll love it!

 

[hammertime30]

cool thnks guys and ya Hammertime maybe 6-8 weeks is better. did you guys see any negative side effects?

bloat, extreme lower back pumps, maybe some mild acne on the shoulder and back....use a liver detoxer and maybe some arimidex to minimize bloat (unless you're not prone to bloat)

 

[wootoom]

planning to get armidex,tyler detox,milk thistle,nolva and clomid to preprepare for the cycle.

 

[yomama]

Try it, I think you will like it. I tried dbol only, had tons of energy all day long, strong in the gym and great pumps. I stayed at a lower dose than what you are suggesting but I am a huge dbol fan now.

To you obviously pumps, energy is more important than gaining actuall muscle, which is what bb is about. Dbol only cycle=waste of time.

 

[Lowest]

I must disagree. Dbol is a great anti-catabolic, and increases protein synthesis by a large amount. Taken with adex or nolva, the water will mostly be avoided and you'll get pretty solid gains. Sure it's not an ideal cycle, and you'd get more if you stacked an injectable with it, but it's cheap as hell and effective, which to me means it's not a waste of time. That said, i do prefer injectables myself

 

[hammertime30]

To you obviously pumps, energy is more important than gaining actuall muscle, which is what bb is about. Dbol only cycle=waste of time.

evidently bro you didn't read one of my postings copied from the diary of an old pro bodybuilding....they all ran dbol only cycles and gained mega pounds of muscle and strength....there's nothing wrong with someone trying something to see if it works for them...if it didn't work for you, then that's you, but it doesn't mean it won't work for someone else....Too many on this board jumps on the band wagon without true knowledge and/or self research to back it up....DBOL is one of the most powerful muscle builders ever....everyone talks about how test is the shit, but to my body, test ain't shit, but I don't knock how it works well for others........with me, dbol makes me grow and test does not!

 

[yomama]

I must disagree. Dbol is a great anti-catabolic, and increases protein synthesis by a large amount. Taken with adex or nolva, the water will mostly be avoided and you'll get pretty solid gains. Sure it's not an ideal cycle, and you'd get more if you stacked an injectable with it, but it's cheap as hell and effective, which to me means it's not a waste of time. That said, i do prefer injectables myself

I agree, but you'll also be just replacing your natural test levels, and maybe even coming short.

 

[PBR]

woot- at this dosage you might get heartburn on a regular basis...so keep Zantac on hand, or you will dislike life....whats up bro???

 

[Lowest]

Of course your natural TEST levels will be low... but your androgen levels will be much higher than normal. Dbol is stronger per mg than test is, and 40mg/day of dbol is far more androgenic than 10mg/day of test... so sex drive will be increased. Endogenous test levels have nothing to do with muscle growth when on an anabolic cycle, as long as you're taking more than HRT amounts.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I agree, but you'll also be just replacing your natural test levels, and maybe even coming short.

would you please stop making posts in this thread..you offer absolutely no info thats even remotely based on anything...

i agree with hammer
5-6 weeks is best..i dont think you need milk thistle and tylers..i believe tylers has milk thistle already in there..

 

[yomama]

would you please stop making posts in this thread..you offer absolutely no info thats even remotely based on anything...

i agree with hammer
5-6 weeks is best..i dont think you need milk thistle and tylers..i believe tylers has milk thistle already in there..

5-6weeks is best? Ok, well I guess you've done the same dbol cycle. Now tell us how much lbm you've gained.

 

[chordz]

To you obviously pumps, energy is more important than gaining actuall muscle, which is what bb is about. Dbol only cycle=waste of time.

Obviously you don't know what your talking about. So how much muscle did I gain? I never mentioned anything that but you seem to think I walked away from that cycle with nothing. I don't need you to tell me what BB is all about.

Cheers

 

[yomama]

Obviously you don't know what your talking about. So how much muscle did I gain? I never mentioned anything that but you seem to think I walked away from that cycle with nothing. I don't need you to tell me what BB is all about.

Cheers

I didnt assume anything, I asked if you ever did that cycle, and what your gains were. Now, you still have not answered these questions, and now I am assuming you never did a dbol only cycle and gained much.

 

[BigB_79]

I think people who want to do an only oral cycle are either:
1. Simply scared of needles. Either because of the stigma associated with drug injections or their just scared of the pain.
2 Uninformed enough to know that injectables almost always have less side effects and less stressful on the body.

...this is not to say that you wont see some decent gains

 

[yomama]

I think people who want to do an only oral cycle are either:
1. Simply scared of needles. Either because of the stigma associated with drug injections or their just scared of the pain.
2 Uninformed enough to know that injectables almost always have less side effects and less stressful on the body.

...this is not to say that you wont see some decent gains

Ok, how about a poll of who done it dbol only cycle and how much they gained (after they pissed all the water out). This should be interesting.

 

[RADAR]

Ok, how about a poll of who done it dbol only cycle and how much they gained (after they pissed all the water out). This should be interesting.

I'll step up to the plate my first Dbol was German(ludwigs)
Ran it 12 weeks at 5mg- 2 weeks.10mg two wks,15mg - 2 wks the started dropping back down.My Bench was the most noticable 135lbs for 10-12 reps at the end 305lbs 3 reps.
Gained 24lbs kept about 18lbs, dbol alone my diet was tuned in also.

so much for a worthless dbol cycle.


RADAR

 

[wootoom]

hey yomama everyone else posting in this thread thinks its worth a shot. Hammertime is right maybe its not right for you but it might be good for me. its worth a shot with the proper pct on hand you never know i might gain. plus if your diet and training is in check whats to lose. unless the sides get bad but i dont see it from the advice from the people on this thread but all people are different i guess. i have alot of time to debate doing this cycle. i did not want to try this right now because me and my wife are trying to have a kid. i dont want nothing to effect that obviously. thanks for all the great advice guys.

Hey PBR whats up bro. how have ya been? ive been great. fuck i get heartburn as it is.

 

[BobbyJenious]

I will be starting a Dbol only cycle monday. Running 15-20mgs a day for 6 weeks. Heres more info: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347716&page=1&pp=20

 

[slash747]

This is a great Thread, alot of good info on Dbol :

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343025

 

[wnt2bBeast]

5-6weeks is best? Ok, well I guess you've done the same dbol cycle. Now tell us how much lbm you've gained.

like i said you offer nothing good so why bother posting..my numbers were not quite as good as radar's but i kept 12 lbs from 5 wk dbol..it was my first..

I do not think this is the best cycle to run..but that was not his question..

Now since your an expert on dbol what were your results?

 

[wootoom]

like i said you offer nothing good so why bother posting..my numbers were not quite as good as radar's but i kept 12 lbs from 5 wk dbol..it was my first..

I do not think this is the best cycle to run..but that was not his question..

Now since your an expert on dbol what were your results?

exactly right. this is a great thread very good info guys.

 

[wootoom]

i think i might drop my dosage down to 30mg, does that even seem a bit high for my first time?

 

[2BIG4URMOM]

i think i might drop my dosage down to 30mg, does that even seem a bit high for my first time?

That's a pretty safe dosage for dbol, I started with that amount, and with half doses on off days.

The way I see it is you are being very smart to experiment with one type at a time to see how it affects you. This will be very helpful to you in the future, and you will be able to tune in what is actually good for you. There are things that work for me that doesn't work for others, and it leaves out the guessing.

 

[wootoom]

That's a pretty safe dosage for dbol, I started with that amount, and with half doses on off days.

The way I see it is you are being very smart to experiment with one type at a time to see how it affects you. This will be very helpful to you in the future, and you will be able to tune in what is actually good for you. There are things that work for me that doesn't work for others, and it leaves out the guessing.

exactly. i always wanted to see what dbol would do to my body. im not scared of injecting but i would rather experiment with orals right now.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

i think i might drop my dosage down to 30mg, does that even seem a bit high for my first time?

dbol is such that you wil feel it very quickly if you think 30 aint cutting it bump it up..but i think thats a decent place to start..

 

[Jarbeebus]

I am going to try a dbol only cycle after reading this thread. 5 weeks @ 30 mg. Great info.

 

[LVTitan]

I'll step up to the plate my first Dbol was German(ludwigs)
Ran it 12 weeks at 5mg- 2 weeks.10mg two wks,15mg - 2 wks the started dropping back down.My Bench was the most noticable 135lbs for 10-12 reps at the end 305lbs 3 reps.
Gained 24lbs kept about 18lbs, dbol alone my diet was tuned in also.

so much for a worthless dbol cycle.


RADAR

NICE !

 

[powerlord]

Before I broke my ribs I was ten days into a D-bol only cycle,was taking 10 mgs ED,I felt like king kong and I was up 7 lbs,I had to do an early PCT and after two weeks haven't lost a lb. Eagerly awaiting my return to this cycle,never felt better on anything,d-bol is thee shit.

 

[wootoom]

hey powerlord thats great. only 10mgs that crazy. thanks for the info

 

[Maetenloch]

If you take your 10mg a day in the morning when you wake up, you're essentially doing a dbol bridge. There was a pretty good explanation on one of the boards recently explaining why this only partially suppresses endogenous testosterone. Some guys have had good luck using this as a very gradual PCT with minimal muscle loss.

 

[wootoom]

anyone that did a short dbol only cycle did you notice less sperm count? that is my biggest concern of doing dbol. i am in the process of trying to get my wife pregnant. i think i will just wait.

 

[BigB_79]

Here is an old, very informative post on the dbol "ramp off recovery method". I will have plenty of extra dbol after my next cycle and I'm considering doing post cycle and following it with clomid and nolva to completely recover.

Quote:
The Dbol bridge... By Fonz... and, I want to hear your bridge experience...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is an old post By Fonz... but a very good one.
-------------------------------------------------

I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

Hope that clears the air.

 

[hammertime30]

Here is an old, very informative post on the dbol "ramp off recovery method". I will have plenty of extra dbol after my next cycle and I'm considering doing post cycle and following it with clomid and nolva to completely recover.

Quote:
The Dbol bridge... By Fonz... and, I want to hear your bridge experience...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is an old post By Fonz... but a very good one.
-------------------------------------------------

I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

Hope that clears the air.

good post!

 

[yomama]

The body doesnt get fooled if you take dbol in the morning, that's why bridging does work. You should also post an article to as why that theory wouldnt not work. That whole thing you posted, disproven.

 

[needsize]

the dbol bridge does not work, it will help you keep your mass, but it will also keep you shut down hard. I've experimented with it many times and had the same result every time. var is a much better choice for that
As for the dbol cycle, if its a waste of time, can someone explain this.....the more anabolic a drug is, the more true muscle mass you are likely to gain. Dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs on the planet, so how can running it be a waste?

 

[Lowest]

They can't NS. You know as well as I, that for the most part they're just regurgitating what they're heard or read without ever questioning it or learning any of the reasoning behind it. That, and some guys probably just like to think that anyone who runs an oral-only cycle is a sissy

 

[hammertime30]

the dbol bridge does not work, it will help you keep your mass, but it will also keep you shut down hard. I've experimented with it many times and had the same result every time. var is a much better choice for that
As for the dbol cycle, if its a waste of time, can someone explain this.....the more anabolic a drug is, the more true muscle mass you are likely to gain. Dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs on the planet, so how can running it be a waste?

It's only a waste if you eat 2000 cals a day and 4000mg of salt and not train like you should.....If dbol only cycles are a waste then so are test only cycles......people think that the dramatic weight decrease at the end of the cycle is due to the lack of solid muscle, but I've never heard of muscle that is not solid!.....you load up on salt while on dbol then yes you will see a hugh weight drop once the cycle ends............

 

[Satyricon2004]

I havent done a dbol only cycle myself, but my workout buddy did one. It lasted for 8 weeks, he was starting low, building up and then reducing again. He didnt use any arimidex, but he used clomid as pct. He became very bloaty and had some acne troubles, but his strength was insane. He went from 90kg in the bench to around 150kg at the time. The most visible gains was actually his arms, he got insane forearms and biceps/trics. His shoulders got very nicely shaped too.

At the end of the cycle he lost a lot of his gained muscles and some of his strength went missing too. But i belive when he was done with the cure he had gained about 7kgs. His bench was at around 135kg and the size of his arms and shoulders was maintained. The most noticing loss was from his chest, legs and back.

He was using really baggy clothes at the gym to not draw too much attention to himself. He was eating about 3g of protein pr kilo bodyweight at the time.

I believe he was very satisfied with his gains, however, the loss after the cycle was over was really large and he had a feeling that he lost everything and was very disapointed at first. (Is this what yomamma suffers from too?). But i had taken his picutures during the cycle and when we compared the before and after pics, he was really satisfied all in all.