Dbol and alcohol

[Oatmeal12]

A friend of mine thought it would be okay to be out drinking while on Winstrol. Binge drinking for 2 days put him in the hospital with pancreatitis, pissing blood and sharp shooting pains throughout his abdomen . He was only 23 at the time too. Don't waste your time.
Moral of the story pick one or the other. A couple beers won't kill you. But chances are you won't stick with a couple beers. And you may wake up looking like Homer Simpson.

I agree ^^^ Do either one or the other

 

[stevesmi]

A friend of mine thought it would be okay to be out drinking while on Winstrol. Binge drinking for 2 days put him in the hospital with pancreatitis, pissing blood and sharp shooting pains throughout his abdomen . He was only 23 at the time too. Don't waste your time.
Moral of the story pick one or the other. A couple beers won't kill you. But chances are you won't stick with a couple beers. And you may wake up looking like Homer Simpson.

hell i have a friend who mixed alcohol with bp meds and he woke up with blood out his nose dead. not sure if he had organ failure or what happened but there is a reason they say don't mix drugs with alcohol. he was in his 20's and left behind a 1 year old baby. the gf now is on welfare and food stamps raising a kid on her own.

selfishness makes me sick. his kid will grow up without a dad and in poverty because of 1 stupid decision

alcohol is the #1 reason for hospital visits people don't realize that.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Whoa never thought it would be that much. You got a link or website with more information?

Why is it that an opinion that is cut and pasted has more relevance? lol. It's an estimate. No one can gauge exactly how much of anything does a specific amount of damage. That's like saying how many drinks does it take to cause liver damage? There's no number. We estimate. If you use the estimate I used you'll be on course.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It is ridiculous. It's overgeneralizing, and making a blanket statement that 5mg of an oral steroid is equivalent to a shot of alcohol is just wrong.

Do I really need to go into why this is a dumb statement and break down the logic on why such a blanket statement cannot be made with any kind of certainty?

Why must you be a jerk in every post? You disagree? Fine. Keep kidding yourself. But you come off like you know it all and your comments can be be pretty stupid sometimes. Often, actually.

 

[UA_Iron]

Why must you be a jerk in every post? You disagree? Fine. Keep kidding yourself. But you come off like you know it all and your comments can be be pretty stupid sometimes. Often, actually.

Don't care.

If we were talking in real life I'd be smiling. But thats beyond the point, you turned this into an emotional argument. You should stop being so sensitive.

Why is it that an opinion that is cut and pasted has more relevance? lol. It's an estimate. No one can gauge exactly how much of anything does a specific amount of damage. That's like saying how many drinks does it take to cause liver damage? There's no number. We estimate. If you use the estimate I used you'll be on course.

So essentially you're saying the uncertainty in the statement is high enough that the statement lacks any kind of utility that is applicable? Why even bother saying it at all.

If you would have presented the second quoted piece in this reply before you said the original statement then we wouldn't have gotten to this point, silly.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Don't care.

If we were talking in real life I'd be smiling. But thats beyond the point, you turned this into an emotional argument. You should stop being so sensitive.



So essentially you're saying the uncertainty in the statement is high enough that the statement lacks any kind of utility that is applicable? Why even bother saying it at all.

If you would have presented the second quoted piece in this reply before you said the original statement then we wouldn't have gotten to this point, silly.

Bullshit and you know it. What's emotional? Saying that you're wrong? Or rude?

You have this need to call me out on every fucking thing I say and it's obnoxious and disruptive. I've been at this a long time pal and have a little cred in the industry -- a bit more than you I'd say, and my advice ALWAYS has the interst of the people's health in mind. But that's not good enough for you. You're too much of a tough guy for that so you try to dismiss everything for no other reason than to do it. You want to constantly argue minutia? How does that help the members? It's worthless.

 

[UA_Iron]

Bullshit and you know it. What's emotional? Saying that you're wrong? Or rude?

Your response to my original post where you called me a jerk and resorted to a personal attack style is why I called you emotional. If you notice, I refuted your argument completely, I have nothing to say about you one way or another.

Rude? Arguably. Perhaps my responses could use more tact on occasion. Thanks for the constructive criticism, I appreciate your feedback.

You have this need to call me out on every fucking thing I say and it's obnoxious and disruptive.

I don't call you out, I call out things you say. Like I stated before, I'm indifferent to the character Nelson Montana.

I've been at this a long time pal and have a little cred in the industry -- a bit more than you I'd say, and my advice ALWAYS has the interst of the people's health in mind.

Lol, it's like you're name dropping your own name here. A bit more cred than me, you say? We really going to bring up history here? I'm not sure how this supports your argument one way or another, but trying to discredit me by some questionable means.

I won't argue your statement about your health advice, it probably is top notch for life longevity.
^^Regarding this statement, this is what separates me from you. Your ego clouds any capabilities of giving credit where it's due. I don't care if people think I'm an asshole, I don't care if people believe me, I don't care if people think I'm offensive when I constantly sort out fact from bullshit - after all, I have no reputation to defend, my income is not based on such things.

But that's not good enough for you. You're too much of a tough guy for that so you try to dismiss everything for no other reason than to do it. You want to constantly argue minutia? How does that help the members? It's worthless.

Making up a blanket statement and applying it as fact disserves members as much as anything else.

As someone with such a reputation on this board, you have should be more responsible with the things you say.

 

[Nelson Montana]

your response to my original post where you called me a jerk and resorted to a personal attack style is why i called you emotional. If you notice, i refuted your argument completely, i have nothing to say about you one way or another.

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you seem to forget something. Here you are being all offended that i called you a jerk, but i did so because you started in with the personal attacks -- calling me dumb. Funny how the people who are so offended by "personal attacks" are the one's who do it the most.


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I don't call you out, i call out things you say. Like i stated before, i'm indifferent to the character nelson montana.
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more passive aggressive bullshit. You go out of your way to bust my balls. Something irks you and i don't know what. And i don't care. But it gets annoying.


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Lol, it's like you're name dropping your own name here. A bit more cred than me, you say? We really going to bring up history here? I'm not sure how this supports your argument one way or another, but trying to discredit me by some questionable means.

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i'm not discrediting you. No name dropping. But yeah, i'm known in the industry, and i'm trying to do my job here. I'm published, i have the endorsement of major people. I'm not saying that to blow my own horn. I'm saying it because i think you know it and maybe it gives you a kick if you try and take me down a peg. It's not uncommon.



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I won't argue your statement about your health advice, it probably is top notch for life longevity.
^^regarding this statement, this is what separates me from you. Your ego clouds any capabilities of giving credit where it's due. I don't care if people think i'm an asshole, i don't care if people believe me, i don't care if people think i'm offensive when i constantly sort out fact from bullshit - after all, i have no reputation to defend, my income is not based on such things.

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i get it. You can feel free to be an asshole because nobody knows who are. That's being a troll. You're the guy in the stands yelling at the players. Thank you for being honest.




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Making up a blanket statement and applying it as fact disserves members as much as anything else.

As someone with such a reputation on this board, you have should be more responsible with the things you say.

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wow, the bullshit never stops. My comment was based on empirical and scientific evidence. It's accepted doctrine among top athletes., doctors and strength coaches. It's good advice. It's not "irresponsible in any way and you know it. You just want to call me one it, make it an issue, and start shit like this just to get some attention -- because as you say , you have no reputation so being disruptive is all you want to do. I don't feel like going back and forth with this shit. It's gone on too long as it is. .

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[UA_Iron]

you seem to forget something. Here you are being all offended that i called you a jerk, but i did so because you started in with the personal attacks -- calling me dumb. Funny how the people who are so offended by "personal attacks" are the one's who do it the most.

Lol, I never called you dumb. Your response is emotional, not mine. You're intent on having me sink to your level for this argument. My refutal of your statement was not a personal attack. You're doing a very classic thing here - spewing out strawman rhetoric. Build up an argument off of false pretenses, beat it down and claim victory.

more passive aggressive bullshit. You go out of your way to bust my balls. Something irks you and i don't know what. And i don't care. But it gets annoying.

Look up the definition of passive aggressive. You will see you are wrong. But I did take what you said to heart originally.

i'm not discrediting you. No name dropping. But yeah, i'm known in the industry, and i'm trying to do my job here. I'm published, i have the endorsement of major people. I'm not saying that to blow my own horn. I'm saying it because i think you know it and maybe it gives you a kick if you try and take me down a peg. It's not uncommon.

And what exactly is your job? To sell things? Wouldn't that alone make it so that the information you give should fall under more scrutiny than the average poster? - I'll do you a favor and won't leave these questions open-ended. The answer is 'yes.'

Your published? Wow, me too. I'm published in a Tissue Engineering text book. I have 3 patents being filed in my behalf for tissue processing devices and machine components. Soon I'll have a trade secret filed under my name.

My professional career is separating fact from bullshit and making meaningful decisions based off of limited data inputs. I could care less about your credibility within the industry.

The funny thing is here - the most credible people in the industry wouldn't be on a chat forum arguing with someone they "think" is just a "troll."

i get it. You can feel free to be an asshole because nobody knows who are. That's being a troll. You're the guy in the stands yelling at the players. Thank you for being honest.

Me being an "asshole" is your emotional response, again. If I'm a troll, you're equally a troll in the same sense. You have equally derailed this topic. Your analogy is incorrect, I'm not an observer but an active player. Another silly attempt at discrediting me.

wow, the bullshit never stops. My comment was based on empirical and scientific evidence.

Actually no it wasn't. It was a poor interpretation of something you read. You applied it incorrectly and now you're trying to derail this argument into other things to distract from this fact.

I suspect you know very little about "science" or the scientific method, data analysis, or statistical approaches for meaningful conclusions. I live these things every single day - I take things like this very seriously.

It's accepted doctrine among top athletes., doctors and strength coaches. It's good advice. It's not "irresponsible in any way and you know it.

The spreading of misinformation is completely and utterly irresponsible even if the information is errs towards the conservative side.

You just want to call me one it, make it an issue, and start shit like this just to get some attention -- because as you say , you have no reputation so being disruptive is all you want to do. I don't feel like going back and forth with this shit. It's gone on too long as it is.

You should stop taking things personally and this would all be handled better. You're right, I'm screaming for attention and reputation on an AAS forum

It has gone on too long - this was a product of you derailing this exchange so far off topic. I was merely interested in refuting your original statement.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Great UA. The next time someone has a question regarding tissue processing, I'll refer them to you.

As for the original statement -- it stands. 5 mgs of D-bol is approximately equivalent to a shot of alcohol. That's a good gauge to go by. Do that and you can't go wrong. Or, you can listen to some stranger on a message board who wants to debate it or argue it or ignore it or dismiss it or tear apart every word... but it doesn't change the facts. Oral steroids are a burden to the liver and caution needs to be taken. Adding further strain is not a good idea.