D Bol only - short cycle results!

[hardKOR]

I am not really new here - I have been reading for over a year. so much good information - finally decided to contribute.

russian dbol only, no post cycle. I did a lot of reading before i did this. though nobody really advocated it, I decided to try for myself. dbol half life is only several hours so that lends it to short cycles. Took all three tabs together late morning. By doing this my test levels were not sky high all day, that combined with under 2 weeks keeps test axis from changing so post cycle recovery not necessary. Had puffy nips to start with so I was a little worried and had nolva on hand just in case but didnt need it.

13 days @ 15 mg

End of cycle +13 lbs

2 weeks later (no post cycle recovery) +10 lbs

Strength gains were good too - bench press went up about 30lbs and didnt drop post cycle. During the cycle I was looking a little less cut than usual but I got noticably bigger. After about 2 days off I was just as cut as before but with bigger muscles. Try it for yourself before you talk shit.

Any thoughts?

 

[Burning_Inside]

Any thoughts..Sure..How much of that gain was pure muscle mass?

Did you get a body composition test before and after?

 

[lurs]

That actually sounded 2 good 2 be true, however i wish not to say anymore as i havent tried d-bol.....

This really sounded interessting...

But no post cycle??? (clomid or hcg)+??

THAT, i would not do...

 

[descanting]

cool

 

[Silent Method]

Sounds great, and so you know, I am going to try it myself.


However, do a body comp analysis. I do not believe that it is physiologically possible to grow 10 pounds of lean mass in 13 days.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Too bad you only went 13 days. I dont think going 21 to 28 days would have impacted HPTA beyond the ability to get quick recovery. Short cycles with fast acting drugs like dbol can yield gains, I have seen this...but I would think the difference had you gone 21-28 days would have been even more attractive, again without much more of an impact on your HPTA (especially @ 15mgs a day).

My2CC

 

[THEEGAME2544]

I am not really new here - I have been reading for over a year. so much good information - finally decided to contribute.

russian dbol only, no post cycle. I did a lot of reading before i did this. though nobody really advocated it, I decided to try for myself. dbol half life is only several hours so that lends it to short cycles. Took all three tabs together late morning. By doing this my test levels were not sky high all day, that combined with under 2 weeks keeps test axis from changing so post cycle recovery not necessary. Had puffy nips to start with so I was a little worried and had nolva on hand just in case but didnt need it.

13 days @ 15 mg

End of cycle +13 lbs

2 weeks later (no post cycle recovery) +10 lbs

Strength gains were good too - bench press went up about 30lbs and didnt drop post cycle. During the cycle I was looking a little less cut than usual but I got noticably bigger. After about 2 days off I was just as cut as before but with bigger muscles. Try it for yourself before you talk shit.

Any thoughts?

Your most likely still holding a significant amount of water. That water can be held for a long time post cycle. I'd say that your lean muscle range would at most a couple pounds if that, most likely less. Extend for a longer cycle next time and you'll be much happier with the results long term. But nonetheless if your already quite cut, then the extra size from water can actually look pretty good making you look fuller.

 

[BigB_79]

2 weeks post cycle is not enough time to determine what you will and will not lose. Let us know in another month or so how much you actually kept. I'll bet it's not much, but maybe you'll be lucky. Good luck with it.

 

[hardKOR]

Too bad you only went 13 days. I dont think going 21 to 28 days would have impacted HPTA beyond the ability to get quick recovery. Short cycles with fast acting drugs like dbol can yield gains, I have seen this...but I would think the difference had you gone 21-28 days would have been even more attractive, again without much more of an impact on your HPTA (especially @ 15mgs a day).

My2CC

There is a lot of good info on short cycles around here and elsewhere on the net. They all say that if you do anything over 2 weeks your test will be shut down and you may as well do a full length cycle. I did notice that my strength was increasing much faster toward the end of the cycle so I was temped to go longer.

Also, one of the main points of a short cycle is that you dont need post cycle stuff like clomid. It is short enough that your HPTA does not change. The reason you take clomid is to shift the HPTA back to normal. The idea is to cycle for 2 weeks on, ~3 weeks off continuously to make steady gains all year long.

So I lied when I said NO post cycle - just no clomid,etc. I have continued to work out really hard and eat just as much as I did when I was on. I am actually still going up in strength and I weighed in 2 lbs heavier today than exactly 2 weeks after.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

There is a lot of good info on short cycles around here and elsewhere on the net. They all say that if you do anything over 2 weeks your test will be shut down and you may as well do a full length cycle. I did notice that my strength was increasing much faster toward the end of the cycle so I was temped to go longer.

Also, one of the main points of a short cycle is that you dont need post cycle stuff like clomid. It is short enough that your HPTA does not change. The reason you take clomid is to shift the HPTA back to normal. The idea is to cycle for 2 weeks on, ~3 weeks off continuously to make steady gains all year long.

So I lied when I said NO post cycle - just no clomid,etc. I have continued to work out really hard and eat just as much as I did when I was on. I am actually still going up in strength and I weighed in 2 lbs heavier today than exactly 2 weeks after.

If your keeping your diet the same as you were while you were on, then you'll be able to hold on to a lot of that water weight for a good amount of time. But when you taper down from that diet, as well as gradually overtime, you'll drop down to what your Net gains were for that cycle.

 

[The Terminator]

Out of curiosity...what was your starting starts (height, weight, bf%....) And how long have you been training for?

 

[hardKOR]

btw - I only tried this cause I had no patience to wait for the rest of my gear to arrive. I will be doing a full cycle when it arrives but this was only done because i couldnt wait any longer. But like I say, the results have been amazing, I will probably do it again at some point, and I would reccomment it to anyone.

A key to it is train heavy and hard while on and off and the gains will just keep on coming. My vertical leap went up about 2 inches while on and it has gone up a 3rd inch as of about 2.5 weeks after.

I have no medical evidence to prove this but it seems like the dbol just jump started my muscles. Everyone says you lose all gains from dbol but I am still making gains 2.5 weeks later! I really think the key to my progress has been the intense training, especially when im off. If my other shit doesnt get here in the next few days I'm definately doing another 2 weeker.

I experience some of the lower back tension that many people complain about with dbol but it wasnt anything major. My legs though, holy shit - when i would do any extended amount of walking (over 5 mins of fas paced walking) my claves and shins would get so damn tight I thought i would just fall over. It was a small annoyance and the benefits overshadowed it. I didnt do any calf specefic excercises while on but they are so much harder and more defined now - maybe from all the walking.

People can flame away but I got my dbol only short cycle results and I am really happy with them. Worked excellent for me, just trying to spread the info. hope it helps.

 

[hardKOR]

Out of curiosity...what was your starting starts (height, weight, bf%....) And how long have you been training for?

First let me say that I am a real hardgainer. I am naturally scrawny as fuck. I am about 5'9". In HS I got up to about 135-140lbs and could bench press about 175. Over the next 3 yrs of training hard naturally, I got up to about 155lbs, ~7% bf, benching about 285. I quit doign bench for a while and focused more on other body parts so it dropped to around 270. Thats when I did the dbol and now I am 166, 7% bf, 300 on bench. I plan to do some huge cycles over the next few months and get to about 200-215 lbs and be the absolute meanest motherfucker around.

 

[The Terminator]

What you will find is that the bigger you get, and the more advanced you becomne the less and less likely it is that you will see results like this again...But atleast you are getting them now...
But when you are 5'9" 155 lbs. you are not at that genetic ceiling yet (or probably anywhere near it), and therefore can make great gains with minimal amounts of AS...
Though you might also have made these same gains naturally (in time....)

 

[babbabuee]

damn, 5'9" 155lbs and benching 285? That's some shit right there. as for the dbol, WATER WATER WATER. But most people like to see the scale jump up no matter what it is that's increasing the weight.

 

[hardKOR]

What you will find is that the bigger you get, and the more advanced you becomne the less and less likely it is that you will see results like this again...But atleast you are getting them now...
But when you are 5'9" 155 lbs. you are not at that genetic ceiling yet (or probably anywhere near it), and therefore can make great gains with minimal amounts of AS...
Though you might also have made these same gains naturally (in time....)

It sucks but my set point weight is somewhere around or a little below 150. Whenever I have taken time off from eating like a horse and working out like crazy I wind up about that size. No matter what I did before, I could never get past like 162-3. I am goign for a huge cycle as soon as my shit arrives and I hope to blow that away.

 

[The Terminator]

It sucks but my set point weight is somewhere around or a little below 150. Whenever I have taken time off from eating like a horse and working out like crazy I wind up about that size. No matter what I did before, I could never get past like 162-3. I am goign for a huge cycle as soon as my shit arrives and I hope to blow that away.

My metabolism screams at the same sort of rate. I got injured about 5 years ago, and was out of the gym for 6 months...I still ate the same high protein high calorie diet though...and ended up back around 155 myself (from my usual 180-185)

 

[hardKOR]

My metabolism screams at the same sort of rate. I got injured about 5 years ago, and was out of the gym for 6 months...I still ate the same high protein high calorie diet though...and ended up back around 155 myself (from my usual 180-185)

On the bright side - at least it's really easy for guys like us to stay ripped. On top of my regualr diet, I also eat anything else I see. Obviously I won't stay quite as lean that way but when I get to the size I want to be it will be no trouble to drop any extra fat.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

more power to you bro

 

[DJ_UFO]

scientificaly it should be impossible to gain 1 pound of lean muscle per day..just imagine what happens with 8, 10 or 12 weeks cycles. Although, this is an interesting thread...cause we know most of those 13 pounds are water and maybe some fat, but the important thing is that this short cycle is able to put you on the nex plateau without the need of a PCT. If you keep working out and eating right in the next weeks you'll keep loosing water but you have the chance to take advantage of that gained strenght and keep developing new muscle.

 

[E23]

did the dbol make you eat more?

 

[hardKOR]

scientificaly it should be impossible to gain 1 pound of lean muscle per day..just imagine what happens with 8, 10 or 12 weeks cycles. Although, this is an interesting thread...cause we know most of those 13 pounds are water and maybe some fat, but the important thing is that this short cycle is able to put you on the nex plateau without the need of a PCT. If you keep working out and eating right in the next weeks you'll keep loosing water but you have the chance to take advantage of that gained strenght and keep developing new muscle.

I agree. When I got on the scale I realized there could be no way to pack on 1lb per day. Like i said earlier, I think it gave me a jumpstart. I think I am gaining muscle now just as fast or faster than I am losing water so my weight stays constant and my strength keeps going up. (exactly what you said) I plan to do a bigger cycle but honestly, I dont think people give near enough credit to short cycles.

 

[hardKOR]

did the dbol make you eat more?

Really cant say for sure. Could have been many other factors such as my grow grow grow mindset that came about with the first pill. Whatever it was, I was almost always hungry it seemed. Hell, I still feel that way.

If you have appetite trouble there are other things you can do that will make you really hungry

 

[hardKOR]

post cycle update

It's been another week and my strength has gone up a little more and I am +11 lbs from the start of the cycle. I will definately be doing the same short cycle again soon.

 

[Transporter]

water gains 50%

 

[*Gooseneck*]

Water gains will be the most noticable gain, but there will be muscle mass too, just not a whole lot of it. I think its something that is beneficial for someone who's needing a little edge without blowing up overnight. Keeping the cycles short and with 3 weeks off is good to help solidify those gains before your next 2 weeker. Much better than staying on for 5 or 6 weeks and getting bloated up just to lose half of it right away. It may not be good for the hardcore or more advanced AAS user, but for a novice or amatuer who's wanting a boost, I think its good.
Just my change on this subject, and I happen to have a bottle of Ref-B laying around so I might give this a try myself.

 

[nsashbl01]

My bro is doing a test cycle now and is benching 300 at 150 lbs. He benches 275 before this cycle and hopes to hit 320 before he's done.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Couple of things...

Although I was one of the first advocates of the advantages of short cycles, I think 2 weeks is too short, but glad to hear it worked out for you.

If you continue to do the "back and forth" 2
on, 3 off plan that Bill Roberts recomended a few years back, you will get diminished gains and remained supressed.

D-bol is misunderstood. People think it's bloating and it makes you sleepy. THAT IS NOT REAL D-BOL! Guys in the 60's and 70's and 80's used D-bol right up to contest time and were ripped! Most D-bol today is metyltest with histimine (to increase appitite, but it makes you drowsy). I often wonder if 90% of the people who give opinions on D-bol have ever really used it.

 

[Anakin]

Well the dbol I'm using is paperbol (the original source), which gets good reviews from everyone. Frankly, I am sleepy all day and I get a few extra boners per day, but I'm not bloated and I don't have extra strength. It's the 5th day (let's see how today's workout goes) at 25mg/day plus injectables. Kind of dissapointed so far but I'm training like a madman and eating 6x a day for total of 400g protein and lots of calories.

If paperbol is not real anymore, then it's impossible to trust any dbol since there are so many underdosed thais.

 

[sigmund]

Couple of things...

D-bol is misunderstood. People think it's bloating and it makes you sleepy. THAT IS NOT REAL D-BOL! Guys in the 60's and 70's and 80's used D-bol right up to contest time and were ripped! Most D-bol today is metyltest with histimine (to increase appitite, but it makes you drowsy). I often wonder if 90% of the people who give opinions on D-bol have ever really used it.

I've never heard this before. I always feel sleepy the first few days I'm on Dbol, I assumed it was my bodies way of dealing with its introduction.

Do other bro's agree that many of us who feel the drowsy sensation are taking a metyltest / histimine fake?

 

[40butpumpin]

damn, 5'9" 155lbs and benching 285? That's some shit right there. as for the dbol, WATER WATER WATER. But most people like to see the scale jump up no matter what it is that's increasing the weight.

i agree, 285 is quite a bench for someone 155. i don't agree that dbol is only water gains...my strength definitely goes up and if i'm getting stronger, i have to be getting bigger.

 

[karachi183]

i now more than a one or two bros who can bench 300lbs and they are all under or around 160. Not uncommon. Especially since these guys have been lifting since there teens. And not to mention with a baggy shirt they look a little better than fit but you wouldn't be able to tell at all how strong they are. Now when you see the seperation between they're muscle groups then you know they are serious lifters. And one has never touched juice. Genetics man genetics

 

[40butpumpin]

i know it's done, i'm just saying it's impressive.

 

[poantrex]

I am not really new here - I have been reading for over a year. so much good information - finally decided to contribute.

russian dbol only, no post cycle. I did a lot of reading before i did this. though nobody really advocated it, I decided to try for myself. dbol half life is only several hours so that lends it to short cycles. Took all three tabs together late morning. By doing this my test levels were not sky high all day, that combined with under 2 weeks keeps test axis from changing so post cycle recovery not necessary. Had puffy nips to start with so I was a little worried and had nolva on hand just in case but didnt need it.

13 days @ 15 mg

End of cycle +13 lbs

2 weeks later (no post cycle recovery) +10 lbs

Strength gains were good too - bench press went up about 30lbs and didnt drop post cycle. During the cycle I was looking a little less cut than usual but I got noticably bigger. After about 2 days off I was just as cut as before but with bigger muscles. Try it for yourself before you talk shit.

Any thoughts?

Get ready for a huge crash - dianabol lowers testosterone levels dramatically and thats a large part of why dbol only cycles usually lead to temporary gains. Maybe you'll be the exception - but many aren't so lucky.

 

[variation]

actually, I did dbol+slin for approx 30 days, only, didn't feel supressed at all, and was happy with what I kept.
this was at about 25mg/day.

 

[DaddyX]

let see how much more you lose in the next 2 weeks, probably alot more.

 

[lilleole]

sounds quite alright. lets us see in another month what you kept of it ;b

 

[hardKOR]

still growing

Well I kept on eating like crazy and lifting hard and now am up a few more pounds. I am just about 170 lbs now. Strength is still increasing - got 320 on bench last week.

 

[massive dan]

Not bad gains for 2 weeks, i do short cycles usually 2-3 weeks with a month off inbetween, and sometimes i use 10mg of dbol a day liks a suppliment mon to fri for 6 weeks with no post, nolv or clo. I get pretty good gains too, i went from 198 to 220lbs in a year with no rise in body fat using just dbol, have been clean since september 09 and still put 5lbs on even though im working on strengh gains and not training for size. I dont know if its cos im special but i dont seem to get moob from gear, even when i was stacking in my very early 20s. Im 28, 6'2, 225lbs, 10%BF. I tend to find my body fat (electric scales not calipers) goes down a few % when im on dbol cos of the water retention. Also its the casual builder that takes gear blows up in a month then looks exactly the same as he did before 6 weeks after there course ends. If you eat well, lift heavy, and sleep enough theres no reason you will lose all your gains in strength or size. When im on a short cycle i train a day rest a day, i find i can push myself even harder when im fully recoverd and fresh and thats the good thing about short cycles on dbol, it lets you go a little harder than you usually physically can in the gym without having to jab or worry about man boob or post cycles. Im not a body builder because i dont have the genetics, but that will never stop me trying.

 

[dawn01]

excellent thread there mate..! it is really informative especially for my workout here and also another information on what supplements i should take..
great thanks...!