D-blade!! Does It Really Work 500% Better Then Orals!?

[plurmurphy]

Hi, I am just wondering if the banner ive been seeing for dblade is true or not i went to the site and checked it out and apperently it is made by Dr.Ziegler who made the compound for dbol and on the site it says it works 500% better then any oral.

 

[drrman]

Hi, I am just wondering if the banner ive been seeing for dblade is true or not i went to the site and checked it out and apperently it is made by Dr.Ziegler who made the compound for dbol and on the site it says it works 500% better then any oral.

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honestly bro, do you really think ANYTHING is going to work 5 times better than any oral steroid available?//????

you don't believe all the marketing gimmicks in musclemag and all the other magazines do you? why would you believe one online?

 

[theprofessor]

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honestly bro, do you really think ANYTHING is going to work 5 times better than any oral steroid available?//????

you don't believe all the marketing gimmicks in musclemag and all the other magazines do you? why would you believe one online?

agreed...

 

[plurmurphy]

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honestly bro, do you really think ANYTHING is going to work 5 times better than any oral steroid available?//????

you don't believe all the marketing gimmicks in musclemag and all the other magazines do you? why would you believe one online?

Its not that i believe it its because its absorbed differently ur not swallowing it ur putting it under ur tongue for it to disolve like that..

 

[buffalo]

If it's so damn strong it would be illegal,i can't believe those company's are even allowed to advertise like that.

 

[nuthinbutagoodtym]

If it's so damn strong it would be illegal,i can't believe those company's are even allowed to advertise like that.

I couldn't agree more

 

[big_boy_1]

Reading their site:
http://www.d-blade.com

"D-Blade is just like Dianabol, in every way, but lacking the c17-alpha alkylation"
A non 17-alpha dianabol is BOLDENONE!!!

Boldenone is poorly absorbed in oral form, an weak anabolic, and illegal.

 

[d_o_c_]

What's up with allo the pink ont hat site?

 

[lanky]

Reading their site:
http://www.d-blade.com

"D-Blade is just like Dianabol, in every way, but lacking the c17-alpha alkylation"
A non 17-alpha dianabol is BOLDENONE!!!

Boldenone is poorly absorbed in oral form, an weak anabolic, and illegal.

I agree with you that boldenone is poorly absorbed through the oral route, but i do disagree when you say it is a weak anabolic.

 

[Mr.X]

Hi, I am just wondering if the banner ive been seeing for dblade is true or not i went to the site and checked it out and apperently it is made by Dr.Ziegler who made the compound for dbol and on the site it says it works 500% better then any oral.

I can tell you that it would absorb a lot better because it's sublingual - hits the blood stream, but, as a user, I can't tell you that it's 500% better then dbol - that would be a overstating reality. I think if taken with a cycle, it's a good addition as an oral, especially the fact that it doesn't hit the liver - a lot less toxic. If you go with d-blade, I found that starting slow, with only a few squares, is the way to go - don't overload with a buch of d-blade at once. It's like anything, it's an aid that needs to be used in moderation

 

[d_o_c_]

So what kind of gains can one expect Mr. X?

Is it something that won't be around for long? ie. Superdrol

 

[Mr.X]

So what kind of gains can one expect Mr. X?

Is it something that won't be around for long? ie. Superdrol

I haven't used it long enough to comment on long-term "gains"; give me at least 4-8 more weeks with the product before I can truly give you a run down on long-term gains. So far, so good with the product

Superdrol was made by a US manufacturer, while d-blade is international - so they are out of regular 'jurisdiction' of certaine agencies. However, I don't think anything is forever.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

after looking at it, appears that its a boldenone precursor with a ether/ester attached.

1. you wont get 100% absorption
2. its not dianabol, nor does it have activity like dianabol (the methylation is what makes dianabol intio dianabol. Other wise its just boldenone- though in this case a precursor thereof)

this a sublingual prohormone.

so its not like superdrol, which is an actual 17aa steroid.

 

[BigRupe]

Hi, I am just wondering if the banner ive been seeing for dblade is true or not i went to the site and checked it out and apperently it is made by Dr.Ziegler who made the compound for dbol and on the site it says it works 500% better then any oral.

How can you even quantify 500% better??

 

[macrophage69alpha]

How can you even quantify 500% better??

the "science" of advertising

 

[d_o_c_]

So Macro, do you think it is worth try?

 

[tfuray]

bump for macro's reply

 

[JuicedAthletics]

BULL$HIT... I have lost soo much repsect for a select few people on this board... Its one thing if you are going to promote a brand or compound of drug, but its another thing to promote a useless marketing gimick..

Do you want some waterfront property in arizona to go with that supply of d-blade???

 

[d_o_c_]

BULL$HIT... I have lost soo much repsect for a select few people on this board... Its one thing if you are going to promote a brand or compound of drug, but its another thing to promote a useless marketing gimick..

Do you want some waterfront property in arizona to go with that supply of d-blade???

Can you ellaborate?

I hate this shit. If you know something let everyone else know.

You say that people are bullshitting us then prove them wrong. If you don't like them stating bullshit then atleast give us the knowledge that you possess.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

So Macro, do you think it is worth try?

what do you think....

take the above analysis and make your own decisions...

if your asking would I reccomend it? No

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Reading their site:
http://www.d-blade.com

"D-Blade is just like Dianabol, in every way, but lacking the c17-alpha alkylation"
A non 17-alpha dianabol is BOLDENONE!!!

Boldenone is poorly absorbed in oral form, an weak anabolic, and illegal.

Boldenone has an ester, so this assertion is also incorrect. D-Blade, if it contains what the manufacturer says it does, is just as close to Boldenone as it is to Dianabol. I would say it's closer to Dbol though, because it's going in your mouth, and not an injectable.

1. you wont get 100% absorption
2. its not dianabol, nor does it have activity like dianabol (the methylation is what makes dianabol intio dianabol. Other wise its just boldenone- though in this case a precursor thereof)

Thats like saying that the 17aa (or ester, or whatever) is what makes testosterone into testosterone. Methyltestosterone is also testosterone, but so is Testosterone without an ester (test suspension) esterfied testosterone (Enanthate, for example), or even testosterone that is absorbed into the lymphatic system (Andriol).

Honestly, I don't see how this becomes simply a precursor because it's not got a methylation or ester.

 

[thelion2005]

What a great advertising promotion!
- Slick 2 page ad with unique coloring
- Lots of hints that it is aas
- Some European slant to the words used to describe the product
- Some Germanic names associated with the claims
- Outrageous success claims that can not be verified
- Unique delivery system
- Price quantity break

Is this a great country or what?

Guys .... If it was a result producing drug, it would be controlled.
It's an over-the-counter supplement that I define as a food.

 

[Tweakle]

Indeed, this sounds like the best thing to hit the market since Fizogen's Strap... When will GNC have it in stock?

 

[BOWTECH]

Stick with products that are PROVEN to work AAS Like the Lion said if this stuff was "really" that good the Gov. would be all over it.

 

[drrman]

What a great advertising promotion!
- Slick 2 page ad with unique coloring
- Lots of hints that it is aas
- Some European slant to the words used to describe the product
- Some Germanic names associated with the claims
- Outrageous success claims that can not be verified
- Unique delivery system
- Price quantity break

Is this a great country or what?

Guys .... If it was a result producing drug, it would be controlled.
It's an over-the-counter supplement that I define as a food.

exactly!!!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Boldenone has an ester, so this assertion is also incorrect.

wow.

boldenone is a steroid. to which an ester can be added. just like testosterone is a steroid to which propionate, enanthate, etc. esters can be added.

I would say it's closer to Dbol though, because it's going in your mouth, and not an injectable.

this is a poorly thought out assumption and incorrect. its like saying anadrol is closer to oral primobolan. because they are both orals. or like saying oral dbol and injectable dbol are different

Thats like saying that the 17aa (or ester, or whatever) is what makes testosterone into testosterone. Methyltestosterone is also testosterone, but so is Testosterone without an ester (test suspension) esterfied testosterone (Enanthate, for example), or even testosterone that is absorbed into the lymphatic system (Andriol).

methylation CHANGES the structure and activity of a steroid. Esterification just delays its release into the system, the steroid must be cleaved from the ester.

Methyltestosterone is methytestosterone IT IS NOT testosterone. Its back to guru school for you.

 

[lowpro]

Guys .... If it was a result producing drug, it would be controlled. It's an over-the-counter supplement that I define as a food.

THat's funny.

That's exactly what other people said when certain prohormones hit the market; before the FDA had them banned.

Folks, you can create whatever you want and sell it without FDA approval. The problem is, eventually, the FDA will find out and assess the product themselves.


You guys are hilarious in doing everything you can to debunk something none of us know anything about. If you having taken it, you can't debunk shit.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

lowpro,

this is true. there are companies that are selling 17aa steroids (almost all of which are progestins- since progestins were not covered in the original or even subsequent legislation). These are real steroids, most of which are methlyated (typically at the 1 or 17 position) that are being sold a legal supplements, when technically they are illegal steroids (just not scheduled).

the issue with these other compounds, like superdrol/methyl-drol/2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol, is not that they are not steroids or even potent. Its that their activity profile and safety have not been at all explored. they were just taken from VIDA (1967) and the chinese were asked to synthesize it (that basically the extent of testing).

 

[lowpro]

lowpro,

this is true. there are companies that are selling 17aa steroids (almost all of which are progestins- since progestins were not covered in the original or even subsequent legislation). These are real steroids, most of which are methlyated (typically at the 1 or 17 position) that are being sold a legal supplements, when technically they are illegal steroids (just not scheduled).

the issue with these other compounds, like superdrol/methyl-drol/2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol, is not that they are not steroids or even potent. Its that their activity profile and safety have not been at all explored. they were just taken from VIDA (1967) and the chinese were asked to synthesize it (that basically the extent of testing).

Understood.


I just hate te see people prejudge any new product simply because it's not a controlled AAS. That action is without cause and lacks wisdom. There will be hundreds of newly developed products over the upcoming years; we should give them ALL a fair shake regardless of what we know.


ps - I cannot truly attest to D-blade either way. I haven't taken it nor do I plan to. Too rich for me (until it's proven its worth).


Can't we all just gear along?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Can't we all just gear along?

 

[Ulter]

Anthony, you really need to read the material before you raise your hand in class. This is pretty basic stuff for world renowned steroid guru to get so confused on.

 

[Retabolil2]

I can tell you that it would absorb a lot better because it's sublingual - hits the blood stream, but, as a user, I can't tell you that it's 500% better then dbol - that would be a overstating reality. I think if taken with a cycle, it's a good addition as an oral, especially the fact that it doesn't hit the liver - a lot less toxic. If you go with d-blade, I found that starting slow, with only a few squares, is the way to go - don't overload with a buch of d-blade at once. It's like anything, it's an aid that needs to be used in moderation

Mr.X how do you know it is less liver toxic than dbol or anything else? Is there any scientifically proven research on d-blade`s liver toxicity? If so I`d like to see it...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Mr.X how do you know it is less liver toxic than dbol or anything else? Is there any scientifically proven research on d-blade`s liver toxicity? If so I`d like to see it...

that would be appropriate, also confirmation of the compound.

 

[Mr.X]

Mr.X how do you know it is less liver toxic than dbol or anything else? Is there any scientifically proven research on d-blade`s liver toxicity? If so I`d like to see it...

D-blade is sublingual, not oral. It doesn't hit the liver upon administartion, rather it goes directly into the bloodstream. If you had read the website instead of asking these fruitless questions, it would make it a lot easier - the answers are provided there.

 

[Retabolil2]

D-blade is sublingual, not oral. It doesn't hit the liver upon administartion, rather it goes directly into the bloodstream. If you had read the website instead of asking these fruitless questions, it would make it a lot easier - the answers are provided there.

So whats gonna happened if I take dbol this way? sublingual? It goes directly to the bloodstream but doesnt pass your liver!

 

[Mr.X]

So whats gonna happened if I take dbol this way? sublingual? It goes directly to the bloodstream but doesnt pass your liver!

D-blade has a patented sublingual method of administration that allows for maximum absorption. This ensures that you're not just putting something under your tongue and praying to god it hits the blood stream

You can read it here:
http://www.d-blade.com/product-info.php

 

[Retabolil2]

D-blade has a patented sublingual method of administration that allows for maximum absorption. This ensures that you're not just putting something under your tongue and praying to god it hits the blood stream

You can read it here:
http://www.d-blade.com/product-info.php

No need to pray to god. Dbol works sublingually and it doesnt mean it passes your liver. No it is still liver toxic. So please back up your theory, why d-blade doesnt hit the liver?

 

[Mr.X]

No need to pray to god. Dbol works sublingually and it doesnt mean it passes your liver. No it is still liver toxic. So please back up your theory, why d-blade doesnt hit the liver?

You ever try to use dbol sublingual? If you have, you'd know that you end up swallowing most of it and the rest get stuck in your teeth, not exactly a "sublingual" product. If you use the thai yellows - chew them and put them under your tongue, your teeth end up with nice yellow chunks in them.

 

[Wulfgar]

It will still have to resist first pass liver deactivation even though it is sublingual, its inevitable. It just wont have to deal with the destructive nature of the stomach acids and digestive enzymes. what does it have to protect it from being broken down in the liver?
im not knocking the product I am just curious. It may well be a wonderful product.

 

[Retabolil2]

You ever try to use dbol sublingual? If you have, you'd know that you end up swallowing most of it and the rest get stuck in your teeth, not exactly a "sublingual" product. If you use the thai yellows - chew them and put them under your tongue, your teeth end up with nice yellow chunks in them.

its not the case. So Mr.X you think if it is being taken sublingually it passes your liver?! What a joke!

 

[d_o_c_]

Bump for Ret! I would give you some K but I have to pass some around before it will let me.

 

[Retabolil2]

Bump for Ret! I would give you some K but I have to pass some around before it will let me.

EVEN INJECTIBLE STEROIDS AFFECT YOUR LIVER! EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO YOUR BLOOD PASSES THROUGH YOUR LIVER! DBOL CAN BE TAKE SAME WAY AS D-BLADE!

 

[Mr.X]

EVEN INJECTIBLE STEROIDS AFFECT YOUR LIVER! EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO YOUR BLOOD PASSES THROUGH YOUR LIVER! DBOL CAN BE TAKE SAME WAY AS D-BLADE!

So, ret, tell me, what's more toxic on your liver, oral steroids or injectable steroids? and why?

 

[drrman]

D-blade has a patented sublingual method of administration that allows for maximum absorption. This ensures that you're not just putting something under your tongue and praying to god it hits the blood stream

You can read it here:
http://www.d-blade.com/product-info.php

what is the patent number??? if it is really a patented method?

 

[Mr.X]

what is the patent number??? if it is really a patented method?

You asking the wrong guy, try emailing them and asking.
http://www.d-blade.com/contact.php

 

[Anthony Roberts]

wow.

boldenone is a steroid. to which an ester can be added. just like testosterone is a steroid to which propionate, enanthate, etc. esters can be added.

this is a poorly thought out assumption and incorrect. its like saying anadrol is closer to oral primobolan. because they are both orals. or like saying oral dbol and injectable dbol are different


methylation CHANGES the structure and activity of a steroid. Esterification just delays its release into the system, the steroid must be cleaved from the ester.

Methyltestosterone is methytestosterone IT IS NOT testosterone. Its back to guru school for you.

Oral vs/ injectable dbol, as a matter of fact- will act differently in the body. By orally ingesting a product, you subject it to a first pass, and therefore more interaction with various enzymes in the liver. In fact, when you compare oral vs/ injectable versions of the EXACT same product, you find vastly different effects on many enzymes found in the liver, including aromatase, SHBG, etc...

Yeah....boldenone, as it clearly states in my book is the same thing as Dbol, but the boldenone we see on the market is estrified. Hence me saying "Boldenone" is estrified, because we have until this point ALWAYS seen it with the Undeclynate ester. Now, we're seeing it w/o the ester, and even with the propionate ester...but for most people, in common parlance (which was what I was speaking in): Boldenone = EQ (although we know this not to be 100% true)- people use "Boldenone" as the same thing as "EQ" and here, I was speaking to the average member of this board, not the people with an agenda to push their ineffective products- or alternately who take "inventor" credit for products they didn't originate (topical Yohimbe, Sesalean, etc...).

Anyway, where was I? ohh..ok...

Methylating a steroid allows it to survive the first pass through the liver, but by sublingual administration, it would appear to be a non-issue with this particular product.

Passing through the liver is the only reason that a product would be methylated. This product doesn't pass through the liver, so calling it D-bol w/o 17aa or EQ without an ester is the same thing...or calling it "boldenone" or even "Quinbolone" w/o an ester.

Passing through the liver is not done with Andriol, which is an oral testosterone that goes through the lymphatic system. There are ways to get a compound into the bloodstream without passing it first through the liver. typically, passing a steroid through the liver (when it is methylated) increases it's anabolic rating. We see this with Methyltestosterone, which is rated more highly than regular testosterone injectables (by Vida) as an anabolic agent.

This is most likely due to interaction with the aromatase enzyme in the liver, which is more pronounced with orals. D-Blade wouldn't go this route, so it would probably be less anabolic than Dbol, but also wouldn't effect liver enzymes as harshly either.

I think you're right...one of us has to go back to school...

You seem to have overlooked the liver as well as it's functions and it's importance in your absurd "AIFM" product, which avoids the liver in large part because of it's transdermal delivery method. Just as AIFM avoids the liver and therefore the source of the aromatase emzyme (making it useless as a shit flavored lollypop, for aromatase inhibition)- so does D-Blade.

The difference, is that D-Blade is TRYING to avoid the liver, and the aromatase enzyme, while AIFM "claims" to actually act on that enzyme.

This is also why Aromasin is far superior to AIFM- by virtue of oral delivery it interacts with the aromatase enzyme and SHBG much more strongly.

But please, keep going...your agenda is clear, and has been clear to the members here for a long time now.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

that is a load of crap. just because you write long bunch of bullshit does not cover up the fact that you failed to recognize basic biochemical differences.

wont even go into the other innacurracies in your posts since you fail to even understand the basic biology of the the liver.

attempting to attack AF because of your shortcomings, just shows how you think. You were wrong accept it and move on. Stop trying to make spurious arguments.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

that is a load of crap. just because you write long bunch of bullshit does not cover up the fact that you failed to recognize basic biochemical differences.

wont even go into the other innacurracies in your posts since you fail to even understand the basic biology of the the liver.

attempting to attack AF because of your shortcomings, just shows how you think. You were wrong accept it and move on. Stop trying to make spurious arguments.

Yeah...don't go into it....I think that's best for you. Try to retain what little credibility you can, now that you can't edit my posts- oh...and thanks for finally not sending me negative Karma and threatening PMs, too.

As far as I know, you're the one talking to management here about me, not the other way around. "Make him to stop, please..." was your move, a few months ago, as I recall.

Keep going, though. Keep going with your absurdly overaggressive marketing, which is transparent to every member here...

the funniest is when you claimed to never have bashed me, to my buisness partner (who owns S.com)- then he sent you screenshots where you had attacked me personally, for no reason.

Remember when you banned me here, and deleted all my posts where I proved you wrong? And then took my Avatar controls off, so I couldn't show people my book?

Yeah, then you said you never did that and that you never talked shit about me? And I had all the screenshots saved, even though you had them all deleted? And you talked shit about the cleanse product too? Said it wouldn't ever work? It was actually kind of funny, because you denied all of that to Brian, my buisness partner, and all the time, he was looking at screenshots which showed you to be lying to his face.

Then when confronted about the screenshots, by my partner you never replied....

Remember that? Remember?

Because I do. It showed your true character.

You know what I learned? Take screenshots of everything. And I have this thread saved as well, just in case you try to get out of this one too.

So cut the shit, and stop trying to justify your bullshit products by bashing every other EF sponsor, and their products.

 

[OMEGA]

Oral vs/ injectable dbol, as a matter of fact- will act differently in the body. By orally ingesting a product, you subject it to a first pass, and therefore more interaction with various enzymes in the liver. In fact, when you compare oral vs/ injectable versions of the EXACT same product, you find vastly different effects on many enzymes found in the liver, including aromatase, SHBG, etc...

Yeah....boldenone, as it clearly states in my book is the same thing as Dbol, but the boldenone we see on the market is estrified. Hence me saying "Boldenone" is estrified, because we have until this point ALWAYS seen it with the Undeclynate ester. Now, we're seeing it w/o the ester, and even with the propionate ester...but for most people, in common parlance (which was what I was speaking in): Boldenone = EQ (although we know this not to be 100% true)- people use "Boldenone" as the same thing as "EQ" and here, I was speaking to the average member of this board, not the people with an agenda to push their ineffective products- or alternately who take "inventor" credit for products they didn't originate (topical Yohimbe, Sesalean, etc...).

Anyway, where was I? ohh..ok...

Methylating a steroid allows it to survive the first pass through the liver, but by sublingual administration, it would appear to be a non-issue with this particular product.

Passing through the liver is the only reason that a product would be methylated. This product doesn't pass through the liver, so calling it D-bol w/o 17aa or EQ without an ester is the same thing...or calling it "boldenone" or even "Quinbolone" w/o an ester.

Passing through the liver is not done with Andriol, which is an oral testosterone that goes through the lymphatic system. There are ways to get a compound into the bloodstream without passing it first through the liver. typically, passing a steroid through the liver (when it is methylated) increases it's anabolic rating. We see this with Methyltestosterone, which is rated more highly than regular testosterone injectables (by Vida) as an anabolic agent.

This is most likely due to interaction with the aromatase enzyme in the liver, which is more pronounced with orals. D-Blade wouldn't go this route, so it would probably be less anabolic than Dbol, but also wouldn't effect liver enzymes as harshly either.

I think you're right...one of us has to go back to school...

You seem to have overlooked the liver as well as it's functions and it's importance in your absurd "AIFM" product, which avoids the liver in large part because of it's transdermal delivery method. Just as AIFM avoids the liver and therefore the source of the aromatase emzyme (making it useless as a shit flavored lollypop, for aromatase inhibition)- so does D-Blade.

The difference, is that D-Blade is TRYING to avoid the liver, and the aromatase enzyme, while AIFM "claims" to actually act on that enzyme.

This is also why Aromasin is far superior to AIFM- by virtue of oral delivery it interacts with the aromatase enzyme and SHBG much more strongly.

But please, keep going...your agenda is clear, and has been clear to the members here for a long time now.

thought your book was excelllent Anthony

hope you and Brian the best in the future

 

[manny78]

Hi, I am just wondering if the banner ive been seeing for dblade is true or not i went to the site and checked it out and apperently it is made by Dr.Ziegler who made the compound for dbol and on the site it says it works 500% better then any oral.

Dbols were developed by Ziegler not D-Blade. And Ziegler died many many years ago....lol 500% ? lol Dianabol is one of the strongest and most effective shit around. Maybe this D-Blad works, maybe they found a way to make a very effective oral without going through the 17aa path ? who knows ? Call me Ol' fashion, grandpa or whatever but I'll stick to dbols

 

[drrman]

Dbols were developed by Ziegler not D-Blade. And Ziegler died many many years ago....lol 500% ? lol Dianabol is one of the strongest and most effective shit around. Maybe this D-Blad works, maybe they found a way to make a very effective oral without going through the 17aa path ? who knows ? Call me Ol' fashion, grandpa or whatever but I'll stick to dbols

LOL....thats what i was thinking....funny they coined their lab name after the man that invented dball, as if they had something to do with its invention

I also contacted them to get the patent number on their claimed "patented" delivery system into the body, i am curious to see this

I have also looked online for a patent by zieglar labs and have found none, so there ya go, marketing bullshit at its best

 

[Mr.X]

I have also looked online for a patent by zieglar labs and have found none, so there ya go, marketing bullshit at its best

Attacking an EF sponsor with these bullshit and shit comments is unncessary. If you haven't used the product, the bias comments wont give credibility to what is being said.

Calling the company bullshit - yet again - without actually hearing back from the company and getting the information you need is not reasonable. ZL is NOT in the USA, they are abroad, you don't expect every government department in the world to have special drrman access? Every company responds to requests differently - that's a given. I wouldn't worry about the marketing aspect of the product, every company markets in their own way to target the market they feel is right for them. You can't complain about a way something is marketed when it's done all the time by different companies.

Remember, no one here is saying, drop your sust, deca, eq , tren etc... and replace it with "magical" d-blade, that's ludicrous. All that's being said is that d-blade is a good aid to add to your cycle; it's an oral that's effective and is a great addition to your cycle.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

not even going to to waste time on someone that thinks that injecting boldenone will have the same effect as injecting dbol.

once again methylation changes the compounds activity, esterification does not.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

not even going to to waste time on someone that thinks that injecting boldenone will have the same effect as injecting dbol.
once again methylation changes the compounds activity, esterification does not.

Sure. Just find where I said those words, or implied anythying like that.

Nice strawman fallacy.

It's been a different ballgame ever since I've saved screenshots of everything you say, right?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Yeah....boldenone, as it clearly states in my book is the same thing as Dbol, but the boldenone we see on the market is estrified.

Passing through the liver is the only reason that a product would be methylated. This product doesn't pass through the liver, so calling it D-bol w/o 17aa or EQ without an ester is the same thing...or calling it "boldenone" or even "Quinbolone" w/o an ester.

your right, you said no such thing.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

your right, you said no such thing.

Too bad I saved all those screenshots from back in the day when you edited all of my posts, huh? Makes things different now, right?

Now that I have screenshots of everything you say, and you know it...

Leaves alot less wiggle room to lie.

Hey...my partner is still waiting on a reply from you- remember? When you said you never said anything bad about me and the cleanse product he produces? He'd like an explanation for all those screenshots showing otherwise...

For some reason, you never replied after he sent you the first screenshot which contradicted what you said to him....

 

[macrophage69alpha]

interesting how you decide to try to change the subject when your argument falls apart.

just to clarify brian never sent screen shots and the discussion(s) had very little to do with you. Never had a problem with him, other than the one you tried to create to serve your own purposes.


why did your business partner ban you from his forum again?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

interesting how you decide to try to change the subject when your argument falls apart.

just to clarify brian never sent screen shots and the discussion(s) had very little to do with you. Never had a problem with him, other than the one you tried to create to serve your own purposes.


why did your business partner ban you from his forum again?

I'm not banned from there. And he didn't ban me, ever. Oh...gee...did I ust catch you in another lie?

I've never been banned by Bri...his old admin, 956Vette, who is now banned actually took away my ability to post- but I wasn't banned. See, I was fed up with Vette's bullshit, and called him and some of the staff out for dealing AAS and Recs. Then a few months later, they were all removed and banned, when everyone found out that I was right all along. I can post, I can PM, I can do whatever I want there. In fact, I'm redesigning the entire Main Page.

Cycleon and his cronies removed me as a mod too, a very long time ago. Where are they now? Oh...right, Bri banned all of them too.

Are you fucking kidding? Did you even try to start the rumor that Bri banned me? Pathetic. Another Lie you got caught in.

Why did you lose your Sig there?

I forget....oh right...for taking away my avatar here.

Notice that every other person in your user group has a sig, except for you?

Wonder why?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

took away my ability to post-

thats banning.. but glad that things worked out for you.

how about getting back to the discussion at hand...

Yeah....boldenone, as it clearly states in my book is the same thing as Dbol, but the boldenone we see on the market is estrified.

Passing through the liver is the only reason that a product would be methylated. This product doesn't pass through the liver, so calling it D-bol w/o 17aa or EQ without an ester is the same thing...or calling it "boldenone" or even "Quinbolone" w/o an ester.

 

[BigRupe]

So, ret, tell me, what's more toxic on your liver, oral steroids or injectable steroids? and why?

Your question assummes what everyone else has been trying to say, that any drug, especially an AAS, passes through the liver.

You can drink, inject, or nebulize and inhale alcohol, but it will STILL pass through the liver and lungs too.

Have anyone done any research on the effects AAS have on the lungs?

I guess that's a whole other thread.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

thats banning.. but glad that things worked out for you.

how about getting back to the discussion at hand...

No, it's not banning, and Brian didn't do it. (I couldn't post- i.e. My posts were pre-moderated. Can you read? Brian reinstated it. I just don't choose to post there.

I don't need to post there, frankly. Or anywhere. You actually think that a site which produces my book would ban me?

Are you serious?

The discussion at hand, is about D-Blade, which I would think works, based on what I've read on it.

The larger discussion is why do you feel the need to bash EVERY EF sponsor? If your products worked as well as you claim they do you wouldn't need to attack every other sponsor (and certainly the EF products which were ideas you stole from Duchaine or Par Deus actually work).

Unfortunately, AIFM is a poor idea at best, so you need to attack every other EF sponsor and their products- then make absurd comparisons between AIFM and aromasin.

 

[BigRupe]

the "science" of advertising

So TRUE. Imagine if they had said 666% better? They'd have a HELL of a time selling the stuff then.

The devil is in the details I guess

 

[drrman]

just to throw this in, just because a company is an EF sponsor DOES NOT mean it is worth a shit, and DOES NOT mean i as a PAYING member on elite CANNOT say what i think about it! I've seen MANY MANY of these marketing gimmicks and ploys, and JUST BECAUSE they are an EF sponsor does NOT mean i have to overlook this crap......I PAID TOO!!!!

its COMPLETELY OBVIOUS this is just another ploy by a supplement company to sell to the new and naive bodybuilder looking to get big. It its even more of a joke to see so called "vets" and other people who are "leaders" to the less knowledgable here promote this crap.

Im not wanting to start crap with MR X, but i would like clarification on these statements

X as been on AG guys IGF, which he says is AMAZING and great pumps, AND Dblade, and no telling what else, how can he say its the dblade, or the IGF.......again im just pointing out to all the working bodybuilders that they may want to read between the lines before they spend their hard earned money..........its clear of some guys here intentions and its SO CLEAR who is getting paid by who..........so i guess its in MY BEST interest to just overlook this shit and let this go and let all the hardworking members waste their money on what their "leaders" and "vets" promote for their own personal interest


ALso, i've emailed Zieglar labs asking for proof of their so called "patented" delivery system, and am eagerly awaiting their answer

 

[macrophage69alpha]

that was really getting back to the discussion at hand. a couple of personal attacks and then a bash on AIFM (so a hypocritical attack- bashing a sponsors product).

care to dance around this again

Yeah....boldenone, as it clearly states in my book is the same thing as Dbol, but the boldenone we see on the market is estrified.

Passing through the liver is the only reason that a product would be methylated. This product doesn't pass through the liver, so calling it D-bol w/o 17aa or EQ without an ester is the same thing...or calling it "boldenone" or even "Quinbolone" w/o an ester.

 

[thelion2005]

I've taken the time to reread the replies to this posting and have picked out the most sensible statement:

Mr. X : Remember, no one here is saying, drop your sust, deca, eq , tren etc... and replace it with "magical" d-blade, that's ludicrous. All that's being said is that d-blade is a good aid to add to your cycle; it's an oral that's effective and is a great addition to your cycle.

That makes sense.

I'm willing to try it with just my baseline HRT test and HGH. I'm used to this baseline and will feel the difference. Quite frankly .... I would not mind being wrong and getting some new growth from this product.

And I really enjoyed the debate between the knowledgable guys that joined in.

 

[BigRupe]

And I really enjoyed the debate between the knowledgable guys that joined in.

Debate or a smack down over he said she said? LOL

I felt like I was watching a game of table tennis

 

[lowpro]

The cock fights in this thread is the reason THIS POST exist.

BTW - for those who are crying bloody murder over D-blades advertising techniques, how in the hell do you watch TV without losing your head? Get over it. It's advertisment. Please, tell me you have better things to do with your lives than bitch about advertisement. You want to call bullshit? Cool, do so and move on. The planet will not stop rotating because D-blade says so.

 

[thelion2005]

Debate or a smack down over he said she said? LOL

I felt like I was watching a game of table tennis

Yes ... but from some heavy hitters with experience, muscle and strong beliefs. That is worth watching!

 

[BigRupe]

Yes ... but from some heavy hitters with experience, muscle and strong beliefs. That is worth watching!

WORD!

I was smiling and enjoying the intercourse between them. ha ha ha ha ha

 

[macrophage69alpha]

WORD!

I was smiling and enjoying the intercourse between them. ha ha ha ha ha

 

[Ulter]

Come on Anthony. You've had 4 posts about everything BUT the post Macro keeps posting. Obviously you posted exactly what he said you post that YOU said you didn't. Now you ignore.
You have have no idea how well AIFM works. Not a single user of the product agrees with you that is ineffective. And that speaks volumes over your assertions as someone who has never even tried it.
As Macro keeps pointing out you're taking the discussion of the topic into your gutter.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Come on Anthony. You've had 4 posts about everything BUT the post Macro keeps posting. Obviously you posted exactly what he said you post that YOU said you didn't. Now you ignore.
You have have no idea how well AIFM works. Not a single user of the product agrees with you that is ineffective. And that speaks volumes over your assertions as someone who has never even tried it.
As Macro keeps pointing out you're taking the discussion of the topic into your gutter.

If you read what I said, it's spot on.

Dbol is Eq, but with a 17aa instead of an ester.The Steran Nucleus is the same, but with either a 17aa, or an ester respectively. The Steran Nucleus is the same whether you call it EQ/W-no-Ester, Bold-No-Ester, Dbol-w/o a 17aa, etc...the difference is that I tried to put things into terms that the averagte person here can understand.

I put things into the simplest terms, for the members- I don't hide behind trying to talk above them, and make myself out to be someone with knowledge they can never possibly attain. Thats Macro's Job.

You know why I'm not a Vet or VIP anywhere? Because those aren't my people. I'm just another member, and the regular members are the people I care about. Hence, I put things in the easiest terms for them. I have no product to sell here. I just present the truth. I even did a free Plat report for the members, and am doing more for them, as we speak. And in that report, and in everything I write, I put things in terms anyone can understand.


If you wish to call Dbol without a 17aa "Eq with no ester" or "Boldenone" then thats the same thing that I said. It should be clear to everyone involved, and jumping on me for explaining things in common parlance, is the same as saying "No...Dblade isn't actually Eq with no ester, because that would be a gritty powder, and not a sublingual sheet"...you and Macro are trying to take a nuance of what I said, where I was correct in how I explained it to the members, and twist it to seem incorrect.

I have no product to sell here...but you and he do, and you guys CONSTANTLY attack every other EF sponsor's product. I think it's transparent what you are up to, and judging by Karma the members give me everytime I expose you, they see it too.

Also, why were all of your personal attacks on me deleted in that first thread I participated in here? As I recall, you and he had several juicy personal attacks on me, which have since been deleted...

What happened to them?

Why aren't you guys busy Karma Bombing me and shit anymore- or sending me threatening PMs? The first PM I got from Macro was threatening me- the last was much less so. What happened? Where are all the personal attacks now?

 

[Ulter]

You're doing it again. No what you posted it wrong, you know it's wrong and now you want rewrite it.

You have to be some kind of threat to a person for them to want to attack you or bomb you or send you PM's. You're not. I've never bombed anyone, ever.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

If you read what I said, it's spot on.

Dbol is Eq, but with a 17aa instead of an ester.The Steran Nucleus is the same, but with either a 17aa, or an ester respectively. The Steran Nucleus is the same whether you call it EQ/W-no-Ester, Bold-No-Ester, Dbol-w/o a 17aa, etc...the difference is that I tried to put things into terms that the averagte person here can understand.

when are you going to get it through your thick skull that methylation changes the compound. It has very different activity at the androgen receptor and non-genomically. its a completely different drug. Esterification changes the "release pattern" as the drug is innactive until its cleaved by esterase. The active drug in this case is boldenone. it does not matter what ester is used the drug is still the same only the release pattern changes. if you methylate boldenone, its no longer boldenone nor even similar to it.

so the two are completely different.

 

[Mr.X]

X as been on AG guys IGF, which he says is AMAZING and great pumps, AND Dblade, and no telling what else, how can he say its the dblade, or the IGF.......

You're reading too much ret propoganda, try thinking for yourself. Why are you brining AG IGF into this? I'm not the only one to have good feedback, so no need to be negative about it.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=484805

You're saying that one can't be on a cycle of injectables, orals and use IGF-1 at the same time? come on be serious. There are about 20 steroid products out there - total (mainstream), you're telling me you haven't tried most of them? the bulk is just test, deca, eq, tren, anavar, winny, primo, masteron, dbol, anadrol - don't make it sound like there are 1000s of steroids out there bro. You should try re-reading my statement about d-blade and how it should be used. Unfortunately, you're better at spreading e-hate then talking about realistic means to a product. I'm not here to argue with the e-hate; in fact, if someone uses the product or they don't, it wouldn't matter to me - it's up to the user. I just don't like negativity spread about products without the people spreading the nagativity actually trying the product.

Check what thelion2005 quoted by me, the "remember" statement, that's what you should take into account before starting any attacks.

 

[Mr.X]

I've taken the time to reread the replies to this posting and have picked out the most sensible statement:

Mr. X : Remember, no one here is saying, drop your sust, deca, eq , tren etc... and replace it with "magical" d-blade, that's ludicrous. All that's being said is that d-blade is a good aid to add to your cycle; it's an oral that's effective and is a great addition to your cycle.

That makes sense.

I'm willing to try it with just my baseline HRT test and HGH. I'm used to this baseline and will feel the difference. Quite frankly .... I would not mind being wrong and getting some new growth from this product.

And I really enjoyed the debate between the knowledgable guys that joined in.

I think a lot of people are missing the point you clearly stated here bro. D-blade is just an oral aid to add to your cycle, like you would add tbol for example. It's not a replacement for any cycle, that's just overstating it. Guys are fighting a product and insulting a product for absolutely no reason but to spread e-hate. It's funny, but the guys who are talking the most shit and spreading the most e-hate about d-blade are the ones that wont ever buy or try the product - ironic

 

[Mr.X]

BTW - for those who are crying bloody murder over D-blades advertising techniques, how in the hell do you watch TV without losing your head? Get over it. It's advertisment. Please, tell me you have better things to do with your lives than bitch about advertisement. You want to call bullshit? Cool, do so and move on. The planet will not stop rotating because D-blade says so.

LOL!
thank you ... a word of reason. People bitching, complaining and spreading e-hate for no reason.

 

[GOLUAN]

WOW! I feel like im at a chemistry battle...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

just to be clear here.

never said that a sublingual precursor to boldenone would not have any effect, merely that it was not dbol like and also was not like dbol without placing strain on the liver. in addition, while such delivery technology would improve uptake that 100% absorption was not a legitimate claim.


most importantly that dianabol and boldenone are while having a similar backbone are very different drugs. Methylation completely changes the activity of a drug, it becomes a completely different drug, esterification does not (esterification is basically like a time release formula at least when injected- orally some forms can increase bioavailability- particularly ethers).

methylated drugs pass over and over through the liver, esterified drugs once cleaved and released into the plasma pass through the liver once ( perhaps a couple times if liver function is impaired) and then are broken down.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

just to be clear here.

never said that a sublingual precursor to boldenone would not have any effect, merely that it was not dbol like and also was not like dbol without placing strain on the liver. in addition, while such delivery technology would improve uptake that 100% absorption was not a legitimate claim.


most importantly that dianabol and boldenone are while having a similar backbone are very different drugs. Methylation completely changes the activity of a drug, it becomes a completely different drug, esterification does not (esterification is basically like a time release formula at least when injected- orally some forms can increase bioavailability- particularly ethers).

methylated drugs pass over and over through the liver, esterified drugs once cleaved and released into the plasma pass through the liver once ( perhaps a couple times if liver function is impaired) and then are broken down.

Which is not different from what I said. You just choose to say it in different terms, presumably to show how smart you are.

Now why don't you tell everyone why you edited my posts a few months ago, then banned me- and then denied doing it to my buisness partner?

 

[Retabolil2]

You're reading too much ret propoganda, try thinking for yourself. Why are you brining AG IGF into this?

Mr.X your posts regarding d-blade is a true propoganda. Wondering where exacty did you see any propoganda in my posts? You`re saying since its sublingual it doesnt have to go through the liver? Thats total bullshit. All drugs eventually pass through the liver! Thats what I call propoganda.
Now be a man and admit you were wrong!
I`m not getting mad over the whole d-blade thing. To most of the experienced users its absolutely clear that it is useless and no we dont need any special "aid" to stack with sustanon and dbol. That combo works great without d-blade I think mods shouldnt be involved in advertising campaigns like that, also they shouldnt lie to people in public making them buy something that doesnt work. Yes Mr.X you lie us about d-blade liver toxicity! You have no idea how toxic it is on your liver!

 

[Mr.X]

Mr.X your posts regarding d-blade is a true propoganda. Wondering where exacty did you see any propoganda in my posts? You`re saying since its sublingual it doesnt have to go through the liver? Thats total bullshit. All drugs eventually pass through the liver! Thats what I call propoganda.
Now be a man and admit you were wrong!
I`m not getting mad over the whole d-blade thing. To most of the experienced users its absolutely clear that it is useless and no we dont need any special "aid" to stack with sustanon and dbol. That combo works great without d-blade I think mods shouldnt be involved in advertising campaigns like that, also they shouldnt lie to people in public making them buy something that doesnt work. Yes Mr.X you lie us about d-blade liver toxicity! You have no idea how toxic it is on your liver!

LOL, I'm not going to bother with a response because you haven't read this whole thread. Instead of reposting things for you, go back and read the statements Anthony Roberts made about the product - that should help you understand the product and toxicity without having to waste more of my time. Also, you keep saying d-blade doesn't work, yet you have absolutly no exprience with the product - interesting how you spread all this e-hate without actual facts to back it up.

 

[Retabolil2]

LOL, I'm not going to bother with a response because you haven't read this whole thread. Instead of reposting things for you, go back and read the statements Anthony Roberts made about the product - that should help you understand the product and toxicity without having to waste more of my time. Also, you keep saying d-blade doesn't work, yet you have absolutly no exprience with the product - interesting how you spread all this e-hate without actual facts to back it up.

I didnt even expect such an intelligent answer Mr.X! Thank you very much!
Thanks god EF still has sponsors whos products work well!

 

[Mr.X]

I didnt even expect such an intelligent answer Mr.X! Thank you very much!
Thanks god EF still has sponsors whos products work well!

LOL, ret, I've learned that if I entertain you with full responses - it just creates further unwanted drama . Talking with russians is like talking with a wall, they just don't understand. I'll leave it at that....

 

[Retabolil2]

LOL, ret, I've learned that if I entertain you with full responses - it just creates further unwanted drama . Talking with russians is like talking with a wall, they just don't understand. I'll leave it at that....

Some small chinease dickhead would love to use his mod position to say shit about whole nation?! Is it approved by forum rules?!

 

[Mr.X]

Some small chinease dickhead would love to use his mod position to say shit about whole nation?! Is it approved by forum rules?!

it's not chinease , it's chinese , but you're close don't get all russian bear on me bro stress makes hair fall out (if some is left haha )

 

[Retabolil2]

it's not chinease , it's chinese , but you're close don't get all russian bear on me bro stress makes hair fall out (if some is left haha )

Go on with your racist comments Mr.X
I`ll forward them to Big Rick Rock as usually. I dont want to argue with a dick like you.

 

[lowpro]

Go on with your racist comments Mr.X
I`ll forward them to Big Rick Rock as usually. I dont want to argue with a dick like you.

Where did you get Racist from?

 

[Mr.X]

Go on with your racist comments Mr.X
I`ll forward them to Big Rick Rock as usually. I dont want to argue with a dick like you.

LOL, ret getting upset about a joke - where is the racist comment? bro relax, I'm sure you're bigger then Yakov and me put together

 

[Retabolil2]

Where did you get Racist from?

All americans are dumb asses, how does this sound to you? You like it?
Oh yeah, do a search and see what happened to another Mr.X`s asskisser -ItlnStln

 

[lowpro]

All americans are dumb asses, how does this sound to you? You like it?

Bro - you're just being absurd now.

Oh yeah, do a search and see what happened to another Mr.X`s asskisser -ItlnStln

If you want to pick a fight with me, fine. But, don't try to threaten me bro. You nothing to me but another pusher on this board who likes to bully people and talk trash; but your feelings get hurt when others push back. That's right, I'm calling you out now. You going to ban me now? That's childish.

Ret, grow up, cycle off and calm down. You have no idea who I am or what I'm about. But, my dear boy, I know a SHIT load about you. Wanna play kickball with me?

 

[GOLUAN]

damn..to much drama

 

[lowpro]

damn..to much drama

Yeah man, I agree.

I was just dragged into this

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Guys,

This thread started about D-blade and now we are talking about Mr.X's small penis and Ret's bald head.

Lets put this thing out of it's misery and shoot it in the head.... Locked.



-BRR