cypionate, estrogen and libido

[RugbyHooligan]

anyone here using cyp for their TRT program, and if you are how does this affect your libido and estrogen numbers on the blood work?

I know Arimidex/Liquidex is used to keep the E2 in check but long term, how does this affect the libido and the ability to "perform"?

the last thing I want is to sacrifice that part of my life for a TRT program.

 

[RugbyHooligan]

anybody?

 

[tommyguns2]

Don't know if it's the same for everyone, but I'm on HRT with 200mg/wk test cyp, and HCG 2x/wk at 250IU each.

I also take a-dex at 0.25mg EOD. That is sufficient to keep estrogen in check at the low dose. I've upped the a-dex in the past to 0.5mg ED to see how it affects me, and at the higher level I notice my libido decreases slightly. It does not affect performance, but the libido does decrease.

Letrozole is more powerful, and consequently I would expect that it would have a more pronounced affect on libido.

anybody?

 

[RugbyHooligan]

well I know my doc isn't going to put my on HCG right now at all...

I'll be taking Liquidex with my shots to minimize the estrogenic effects.

I know HCG is primarily for "cosmetic" reasons and to keep the kids active, so to speak, so if I didn't take that will it have an effect on my TRT program or should I talk to her about that?

And how does the supplement Powerfull stack up in an arsenal like this?

 

[thelion2005]

IMO ... any test is OK for HRT. You need to see how your body and the blood test numbers react. Just keep the dosages down.

I'm on 150 mg of test p now (50 every 2 1/2 days) and it works fine to grow mucle and raise libido.

 

[digimon7068]

t.est puts my libido through the roof. . .

 

[tommyguns2]

While HCG is often used for aesthetic purposes, I think there are other good reasons to use HCG. First, if you're going to be doing HRT for the rest of your life, why not keep the testes working, rather than permit them to completely atrophy. If for some reason you have to come off of the test, don't you think it would be easier to get your natural production back on line if your testes have been operating the entire time?

Plus, HCG will boost your natural test production, and thus may allow you to get away with a lower exogenous test dose (e.g., 100mg/wk instead of 150). Just some thoughts....

well I know my doc isn't going to put my on HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - right now at all...

I'll be taking Liquidex with my shots to minimize the estrogenic effects.

I know HCG is primarily for "cosmetic" reasons and to keep the kids active, so to speak, so if I didn't take that will it have an effect on my TRT program or should I talk to her about that?

And how does the supplement Powerfull stack up in an arsenal like this?

 

[RugbyHooligan]

very true, tommy... I'm going to talk to the doc tomorrow anyway and I will get her all sorts of info about HCG and dosing.

I suggested 150 a week she suggested 200. I'm game for either dose but I know I'll be getting bloodwork done at 6 weeks to see whats going on.

I figure then we can adjust dose.

By the way... when is the best time to do bloodwork on shots?

 

[Nemisis RR]

I am on 200mg of cyp a week split in 2 shots of 100mg. My libido is thru the roof and I have not felt this good since I was in my mid to late 20's. I would do bloodwork on the day of or before your shot and if you are doing only 1 shot a week then midway before next shot. Go with 200 and see how you feel. If you run into problems as high blood pressure, liver enzymes, or prostrate then just go lower. Once you taste the 200 thou you will not want to go lower.

 

[RugbyHooligan]

thanks, nemesis...

I already have HBP (genetic) so I am on meds for that. Atacand... no biggie.

I start it Friday, lets see how it goes.

 

[sdever]

I'm in my 8 week of hrt I take .9cc of test c .5 adex twice a week and some dhea. My test was @167 when i started just got my 6 week blood work it is now @800 and my E is good. As for Libido my wife of 35 years has offered to help me find a girlfriend LOL. I don't use a alarm clock anymore as my new friend morning WOOD wakes me every morning

 

[RugbyHooligan]

I'm in my 8 week of hrt I take .9cc of testosterone cypionate .5 Arimidex - anastrozole - twice a week and some dhea. My test was @167 when i started just got my 6 week blood work it is now @800 and my E is good. As for Libido my wife of 35 years has offered to help me find a girlfriend LOL. I don't use a alarm clock anymore as my new friend morning WOOD wakes me every morning

nice nice...

I'm looking at liquidex instead of arimidex until my insurance kicks in.

 

[njmuscleguy]

rh - how old are you?

 

[RugbyHooligan]

nj, I'm 33

 

[digimon7068]

nj, I'm 33

i'm 43. . .nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, naaaahhhh. . .

 

[njmuscleguy]

nj, I'm 33

Same is me, and we're kinda in the same boat as HRT newbies... started off with androgel for a few months, then recently got switched over to cyp... had 1st round of bloodwork since switching over, last week...results tomorrow. doing 100mg cyp per week, but I'm guessing it's not enough based upon how I feel... I actually felt better using 10g androgel... my doctor knows little to nothing about HRT, I actually printed out alot of the research I had done and shared it with him...he was very open-minded and willing to try various things. Tomorrow we'll see if we need to up the cyp dosage, and if we need to add anything else such as a-dex, H C G, and DHEA.

 

[RugbyHooligan]

nj, how long were you on the shots before you felt anything?

my doc is in the same boat, she isn't a TRT specialist so we are doing this on the fly

 

[MercDD]

Estrogen is important in building muscle.... Also.. Too high , or too low of a estrogen level can kill your sex drive.. I am on HRT.. I am using 200 mg of cyp every week .. My last blood test my estrogen was 130 ng ( 120 ng or less is normal ).. I am not using any AI's...

Steroids also lower t-3 which in turn increses prolactin... This can also kill your sex drive .

Most doc I have spoken to like to wait about 5 wks after starting HRT to re-check blood work..


Merc.

 

[njmuscleguy]

nj, how long were you on the shots before you felt anything?

my doc is in the same boat, she isn't a TRT specialist so we are doing this on the fly

well, I transitioned from androgel over to cyp... in fact, I kept using the androgel for a few weeks until the cyp "kicked in"... that I actually did on my own accord, since I had plenty of androgel left over... I just didn't want to "crash" during the transition.... based on cycle experience though, it would take a few weeks minimum before you "felt" it, though it "Kicks in" much sooner.

 

[digimon7068]

well, I transitioned from androgel over to testosterone cypionate... in fact, I kept using the androgel for a few weeks until the testosterone cypionate "kicked in"... that I actually did on my own accord, since I had plenty of androgel left over... I just didn't want to "crash" during the transition.... based on cycle experience though, it would take a few weeks minimum before you "felt" it, though it "Kicks in" much sooner.

"felt it" in the muscles. . .3 weeks or so. . .

"felt it" in the pants. . .about a week. . .

 

[Nemisis RR]

"felt it" in the muscles. . .3 weeks or so. . .

"felt it" in the pants. . .about a week. . .

In my pants 4 hours after shot. Morning wood was gone for over a year and then 4 hours after shot I had one that woke me up. Energy for workouts in a few days, muscles in 2 weeks.

 

[digimon7068]

In my pants 4 hours after shot. Morning wood was gone for over a year and then 4 hours after shot I had one that woke me up. Energy for workouts in a few days, muscles in 2 weeks.

i start today

 

[EL DURO]

more power to you bud, im 44 goin on 16 ( 1 cc a week and i feel great ) lol

 

[digimon7068]

more power to you bud, im 44 goin on 16 ( 1 cc a week and i feel great ) lol

2nd inject last night. . .had sex twice this week already. . .three times if you count sunday as the beginning of this week instead of the end of last

 

[RugbyHooligan]

yea dude my libido is off the wall right now...