CYP vs. Enth.

[TheRide]

OK,

So I can get this straight in my head once and for all... what is the major diff between Cyp and Enth? I always thought they were practically identical. Now I am hearing otherwise?

 

[The Terminator]

For all the purposes WE HERE are really concerned with they ARE nealrly identical
You probably wouldnt notice any difference by chosing one over the other...

 

[=Viking=]

Cyp is something Americans use and Enth is more common around the rest of the world. There half life is the same.

 

[VictorBR]

I have read two times over the net that people using cypionate usually retain more water than any other test ... not sure if it is true ... but anyway , I stay away from it . The only tests that I will ever use are sust and prop .



Victor

 

[puddlemonkey]

I bloat like crazy from Cyp. But I also think that added water and bloat helps with strength because I get freaky stong on Cyp, stonger than what Enanthate does for me.

 

[gregory]

Cyp has a half life of about 5-7 days.
Enth has a half life of about 10 days.


There is your difference. Not much at all. But given the nature of us humans and various placebo effects, some will swear that they feel completly different. In fact a lot of top trainers use Enth for a while and when their gains stagnate, they switch to Cyp and their gains start again. It's often used as psychological trick.

 

[GreekGod]

Cyp has a half life of about 5-7 days.
Enth has a half life of about 10 days.

Totally false.

While quite an array of names exist and make the issue seem complicated, the main difference between different esters is simply the number of carbon atoms in the ester. Propionate has three carbons, whereas acetate has two, isobutyrate has four, enanthate has seven, cypionate has eight, and decanoate has ten.
Shorter chain esters have shorter half-lives, because of their lower partition coefficient. Testosterone cypionate has a half-life of 8 days, the enanthate ester has a half-life of 4 days, and nandrolone decanoate has a half-life of 8 days. These figures are only approximate. The difference between these values for cypionate and enanthate probably includes difference attributable to different measuring techniques. The actual difference is probably not more than two days.

United States Pharmacopeial Convention, USP DI: Drug Information for the Health Care Professional, 1993, 108. Rand McNally, Taunton Mass.

Weinbauer, G.F.; Jackwerth, B; et al. Acta Endocrinol. Copenh., 1990, 122, 432-42

Belkien, L.; Schurmeyer, T.; et al. J. Steroid Biochem., 1985, 22, 623-629


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm

 

[gregory]

Totally false.

While quite an array of names exist and make the issue seem complicated, the main difference between different esters is simply the number of carbon atoms in the ester. Propionate has three carbons, whereas acetate has two, isobutyrate has four, enanthate has seven, cypionate has eight, and decanoate has ten.
Shorter chain esters have shorter half-lives, because of their lower partition coefficient. Testosterone cypionate has a half-life of 8 days, the enanthate ester has a half-life of 4 days, and nandrolone decanoate has a half-life of 8 days. These figures are only approximate. The difference between these values for cypionate and enanthate probably includes difference attributable to different measuring techniques. The actual difference is probably not more than two days.

United States Pharmacopeial Convention, USP DI: Drug Information for the Health Care Professional, 1993, 108. Rand McNally, Taunton Mass.

Weinbauer, G.F.; Jackwerth, B; et al. Acta Endocrinol. Copenh., 1990, 122, 432-42

Belkien, L.; Schurmeyer, T.; et al. J. Steroid Biochem., 1985, 22, 623-629


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm

Based on your post i was not TOTALLY false. It's all approximation.

 

[liquidmuscle]

as before mentioned enanthate is more commonly used in europe and cyp in the states here is the cypionate http://www.steroid.com/51.php and here is the enanthate http://www.steroid.com/82.php you decide

 

[nydj66]

Based on your post i was not TOTALLY false. It's all approximation.

His point was that cypionate is a longer ester than enanthate so test cypionate will have a longer half-life.

Even though the actual values are approximate, cypionate's half-life will be about 2 days longer than enanthates.

 

[gregory]

I was and still am under the impression that enanthate is the longer ester. Cypionate is well knows for kicking in quicker. Someone here is wrong, i doubt it's me. But if it is, I'll roll with the punches.

 

[nydj66]

I was and still am under the impression that enanthate is the longer ester. Cypionate is well knows for kicking in quicker. Someone here is wrong, i doubt it's me. But if it is, I'll roll with the punches.

Enanthate has 7 carbon atoms and cypionate has 8. Here is a link showing the half-life of enanthate as 10.5 days and cypionate's as 12 days:

http://www.british-bodybuilding.co.uk/Half_Life.shtml

 

[Deleted member 33117]

No guys enathate is a 7 chain ester, and cyp an 8 chain ester. Enathate thus has a sligly shorter halflife (1-2 days) and approximately 2-3 mg more testosterone per 100 mg. The differences are small enough to go unoticed by users. The reason many are reporting cypionate being stronger is because enathate is usually made more often by low-quality veterinary drug companies, and most people's experience wth enathate is with lower grad drugs. They might only be getting 60-80% of the dose they believe they are taking, due to underdosed drugs, thus conline cypionate is stronger if they ever got a couple bottles of quality cypionate.

 

[nydj66]

No guys enathate is a 7 chain ester, and cyp an 8 chain ester. Enathate thus has a sligly shorter halflife (1-2 days)

That's exactly what I said.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

That's exactly what I said.

Sorry, I was reading the thread, got up for a minute to get something, then sat back down to post my reply. This did not allow me to read yours before posting. At least we are both on the same page on this one, and have the same answer.

 

[gregory]

Aww crap, Sorry guys i just remembered after reading this thread some more. I was wrong looks like i had the two reversed in my mind for some reason.

 

[GreekGod]

The reason many are reporting cypionate being stronger is because enathate is usually made more often by low-quality veterinary drug companies, and most people's experience wth enathate is with lower grad drugs.

In Europe we have a very high quality test. enanthate product, its name is Testoviron Depot and it is produced by german pharmaceutical giant Schering. BTW the greek company Norma recently started producing its own test. enanthate product. See here : http://www.normahellas.gr/uk/products_det.php?products_categoPage=2&Product_id=21