Yeah, some guys are just lean no matter what...are they ready to cycle...not necessarily. I think for me I would say it is more vital to put in time in the gym learning training methods, getting your diet down correctly, before someone were to start cycling. But some guys hardly do anything and still look great, but most are not like that, that is why they turn to AS. I would say it is more about learning discipline before turning to AS, not so much reaching a specific bf% (as that is only part of the overall picture)