cycle vet here but been a while..need help

[nygiants]

looking to drop fat...get strong and lean...

was looking at the old dependable...

Week 1-12 Sus @ 500mg/week
Week 1-6 25mg DB ED
Week 6-12 50mg Winstrol ED

Novladex 10mg ED...should i take this every day regardless or just when sides pop up?

week 13 Clomid (50mg)...3 tabs ED
week 14 Clomid(50mg)......2 tabs ED
week 15 Clomid(50mg)......1 tabs ED


what do you think? Any other suggestions?

 

[GUARDIAN]

love it. i ran almost the exact same thing last summer and dropped a ton of bf with it.

do u have an AI? i would save the nolva for pct or when u start getting sides.

150mgs ed for week 13, 100mgs ed for week 14!!!!!!


just go with 50mg ed for 4 weeks and if u have enuf nolva run it at 20mg ed along side it.

 

[eddymerckx]

dont mix the orals with nolavadex--too hard on your liver.

 

[xrsist]

12 weeks of orals may be a bit hard, run liver cleansing supps
i would wait for the sust to clear a bit before starting clomid
2 weeks after last shot of sust start at 50mg ED for 4 weeks

 

[nygiants]

revamped:

Week 1-12 Sus @ 500mg/week
Week 1-6 25mg DB ED
Week 6-12 50mg Winstrol ED

week 13 Clomid (50mg ED) Novladex (20MG ED)
week 14 Clomid (50mg ED) Novladex (20MG ED)
week 15 Clomid (50mg ED) Novladex (20MG ED)
week 16 Clomid (50mg ED) Novladex (20MG ED)

What is AI? what is it for and wen whoudl i take it?

thanks

 

[GUARDIAN]

I sure hope that u are just not familiar with my abbreviation bc any "cycle vet" should know what these are.

aromatase inhibitor = AI

Aromatase inhibitors work by inhibiting the action of the enzyme aromatase, which converts androgens into estrogens by a process called aromatization. Too much estrogen can lead to gyno.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Well, if you're running Sustanon, you don't really need an oral kick-start since the prop ester will kick in fast....but if you want to go with it anyway, I would go with something like t-bol or var instead... somehow, I just don't associate d*bol with "lean", no matter how clean your diet is. T-bol is a nice alternative for getting strong, lean gains IMO...no bloat

 

[nygiants]

the Week 6-12 50mg Winstrol ED will be liquid...ill be injecting EOD and drinking EOD

Well I'm not a vet like you guys...but 10+ cycles on and off over a 10 year period makes me a bit more than a beginner.....I have never used an AI. So what kind of aromatase inhibitor do I need and when do I take it?


Also, do you guys have a good link for determining how much of a product I need? I always find it difficult, in determining what to tell my guy I need after i put together a cycle, unless i have an old bottle or wrapper in front of me. For example, I need enough Winny for 6 weeks of 50mg/day...so how many bottles does that equal. Or I need enough DBOL for 25mg/day for 6 weeks...maybe a link to pictures of the stuff with the mg depicted on the bottle.

thanks

 

[nygiants]

Well, if you're running Sustanon, you don't really need an oral kick-start since the prop ester will kick in fast....but if you want to go with it anyway, I would go with something like t-bol or var instead... somehow, I just don't associate d*bol with "lean", no matter how clean your diet is. T-bol is a nice alternative for getting strong, lean gains IMO...no bloat

good point....my experience with DBOL is usually bloat.....but damn you get so strong...and the bloat usually goes away...so you are suggesting TBOL or Anavar........what are the expectations for both? Take them the same way (25mg/day)?

thanks

 

[njmuscleguy]

For an AI, go with either arimidex at 0.5mg ED (they usually come in 1mg tabs) or aromasin at 12.5mg ED (usually comes in either 12.5 or 25mg). Oh, you can also get liquid version from "research companies".

C'mon, simple math bro...for sust, given your intended cycle, you need 2ml / week, for 12 weeks = 24mls (if vials are 10ml, you need 3 obviously)

For winny, at 50mg/ml, if you run for 6 weeks: 6 x 7 = 42ml total (if vials are 10ml, you need at least 4 vials)

As for the orals, I prefer t-bol... minimum dosage I recommend is 50mg ED, for 4 weeks.

 

[GUARDIAN]

good point....my experience with DBOL is usually bloat.....but damn you get so strong...and the bloat usually goes away...so you are suggesting TBOL or Anavar........what are the expectations for both? Take them the same way (25mg/day)?

thanks

there is no subsitute for dbol imo. i found tbol & var a let down when i tried them as kickstarts instead of dbol. some will say abombs r just as good but i think the sides r worse.

u r getting very little prop from the sus at 500mg ew. if the worse that happens is a little bloat, for u ,then go with dbol.

 

[nygiants]

For an AI, go with either arimidex at 0.5mg ED (they usually come in 1mg tabs) or aromasin at 12.5mg ED (usually comes in either 12.5 or 25mg). QUOTE]



is this for every day of the cycle?


On this topic........gyno concerns........

I had puberty gyno, that I had surgically removed when i was 22 (im 37 now)...ran about 10 cycles on and off over ther past 10 years....the only concernign sides I had during any cycle was a slight harding in the nipple along with some pain in the area; which later went away...no long term sides..that is until my last cycle.....got some underground sh*t from a guy named chemical muscle...

Week 1-12 Test E @ 500mg/week (ETD injects)
Week 1-6 50mg Anadrol each day...
Week 1-6 or 8 75mg Tren A EOD
Week 6-12 50mg Winny ED


it actually was a very effective cycle gains wise....but i did go through some unusual dizzy spells and towards the end my heart was beating fast at rest that was concering enough to pay a visit to the doctor...they couldnt find anything wrong.....anyway..about 6 months after the cycle I noticed that my chest felt a bit soft.......i figured that since I let my diet go a bit that I just got a little chubby....well ive been on a mission for a year now......adn ive lost weight and body fat...guess what......that fat on my chest has not gone away......so I starting thinking it might have casued by this underground crap I was taking.........now when I had my gyno surgery years ago, they removed most of the gland and I was told that it would not come back......now this is not a hardness around the nipples...this is fat around the sides of my chest heading towards my lats....

So I went to 2 PLastic Surgeons to get their opinions...and I told them about my steroid history.,...they basically told me that its fat and there is no way to determine whether it was caused by the steroids, bad diet or any other factor.....lets face it, they arent dieticians or real medical doctors....so they want 6,500 to take care of it (I also included pulling some fat out of the front of my gut and obliques...why not since Im already under the knife).....

So my question to you guys is....how can I fix my issue without surgery


Now I know Im lumping this in with your cycle opionions, but to me its all tied together...I want to do this cycle now and I dont want to make my current situation worse...adn ideally Id liek to treat it at the same time if possible....what do you think?