CYCLE results

[Dragon14]

8 weeks of sust at 250 per week.

Start weight = 216
End weight = 231
BF down 5.2%

Notes:
Gains basically slowed dramatically in weeks 5-6. I beleive that if I had eaten more calories I could have gained more... but it would not have been sustainable. Acne came on pretty strong in week 5. Vitamin b5 at 1 gram a day worked to keep it in check. Some signs of gyno in week 6; One Nolva per day for 10 days took care of that.

Lessons:
Could have eaten better. More calories. Need to keep up with supplements also. Cod oil, Glucosamine, chondroiton, etc. Shorter cycle may be better. Most gains were achieved by week 5.

 

[Dragon14]

Other factors:

Ate Glucorell R and Biotin with carb meals. 1-2 Glucorells, 500 mcg biotin per Glucorell.

500 mg of ginger with all big protein meals (over 35 grams)

Used Cell Tech as a post workout drink.

 

[babbabuee]

Hey dragon, looks good bro. This should be a lesson to a lot of first timers. You gained pretty good off of only 250/wk, and that was without dieting to perfection. Just imagine if you had eaten more. How much did your lifts increase?

 

[Dragon14]

Lifts went up a lot. So much, my joints could not compensate.

I agree... 250 for a beginner is enough. 15 lbs isn't bad. We'll see how much stays... but I'm not bloated at all.

 

[Doman55]

Good results bro with only 250mg per week

Saludos

 

[tonybuddy]

DO YOU THINK?

so you managed to lose bodyfat? do you hink your gains would be more solid if you ended with four weeks of winny? would that help to make sure he kept all of his gains?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nice job dragon. If only more noobs read this instead of listening to the advice of so called experts.

 

[JKerry]

GREAT JOB! low dose test can work wonders.

jkerry

 

[hipsacjack]

Newbies need to see this. Excellent job!

 

[liquidmuscle]

hell my first cycle was 250mgs of sust and 300mgs of deca a wk for 8wks gained 25lbs lost 5lbs...always start at low dose. I am into my god only knows # of cycle and i still rarely go over 600mgs of test

 

[papucho]

Bump for newbies...

 

[tapoutm]

Nice Job........TAPOUTM

 

[Texas Ranger]

Great job, brother! Just more evidence that you don't need 750-1000mgs of Test to make good gains on your First Cycle.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Just to clarify, I believe that NO ONE needs to go over 500mgs of Test for a First Cycle to see AWESOME results. It can be Test Enanthate, Cypionate, Omnadren, or Sustanon it really doesn't matter. Just be sure to focus on your diet, training, and recuperation. This is what truly makes or breaks a cycle. Not more Gear!! Again Dragon, good job!

 

[swole56]

Great post my first cycle was test 250 1-10 weeks and 25 dbol ed for 4 weeks. Gained solid 15 lbs and only lost 3 so far after 2 weeks off. Hoping it the rest stays. No need to take what some of these guys recommed. Take average amounts work hard eat right gain muscle look good!

 

[Nelson Montana]

People don't realize that two shots of sus 250 will put your T over 2000 ngs. If you can't grow with 2000 ngs of test, you suck.

 

[Dragon14]

Thanks guys. I'll post an update later during recovery.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Nelson, I agree with you 100%, brother!!!

 

[Goldprospector]

Great post and good job Dragon. I just recently started my first cycle. The only difference is that I am frontloading the Sust. I hope I see similar results.
Please do post about your recovery!

 

[Hungry]

People don't realize that two shots of sus 250 will put your T over 2000 ngs. If you can't grow with 2000 ngs of test, you suck.

hallelujah (sp?)!!

 

[DeepZenPill]

Yep, I've done several mild cycles before and I'm still growing off of just 250mg of test right now. It's so easy once you have your diet and training together.

 

[chaquito]

nice job dragon

 

[GawdsGift]

wish i would have read thgis bofore i jumped on

 

[georgie24]

up the does you pansy, bump test up to 750 mg week then stack with 400 mg eq or deca!!!






















hehehe j/king good job.. i respond lovley to low dose test

 

[chaquito]

?

People don't realize that two shots of sus 250 will put your T over 2000 ngs. If you can't grow with 2000 ngs of test, you suck.

Nelson, what do you mean with two shoots of sus? do you mean 2 shoots with one week between or do you mean 500mg/week?

C

 

[Nelson Montana]

That was an estimate. A single shot of sus can get your levels up to 4000 ngs but they'll drop down to about 1000 in a few days. If you take a second shot a week later you'll still have some of the first in you. All in all your total T won't be below 2000 ngs for a couple of weeks without ever taking another shot. That's A LOT of testosterone and people need to realize that. It puts the whole "gram a week" thing into perspective.

 

[wyld1g]

People don't realize that two shots of sus 250 will put your T over 2000 ngs. If you can't grow with 2000 ngs of test, you suck.

LOL, tell us how you really feel

 

[Sammy Sosa]

Nelson Montana

Nelson, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Do you know anything about esters and how does 500mgs turn into 2000. Sustanon should be injected twice a week. The fast acting esters release a small amount of test. After a couple of days its gone. Then a week or two later the slow esters finally came on. A persons test level will fluctuate like hell with only one shot a week.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Andy13, wrote an article a while back with a chart to illustrate and support his findings. Basically, he said Sustanon/Omnadren should be treated as a single ester with a half-life of roughly 7 days. He said the mistake most guys make is viewing and analyzing each ester individually, instead of as a whole. This is what scientists intended when they created it. This guy REALLY knows what he's talking about and could explain the concept a heck of alot better than I ever could. You probably could see the article if you're Platinum. If not, try the Meso-rx or Steroidology boards. Read his post again. Nelson, said 2000 ngs, not 2000 mgs.

 

[slobberknocker]

That is a good amount for a first cycle. Obviously, though, you will need higher doses as you progress from cycle to cycle. But good evidence that newbies shouldn't need a whole lot of gear to get results.

 

[babbabuee]

well hell, I was planning on test enan 250 mg/e4d + EQ 200mg/e4d for my second cycle, but now I'm wondering if doing both of those e5d wouldn't be sufficient. I'm 5'8" about 170lbs, looking to add some mass, what do you think? especially you Nelson?

 

[chaquito]

bro i think you should be fine with a simple weekly injection of 250mg susta.

C

 

[Seth28]

yes, very good job, low dose and hard work equates solid sustainable results.
What brand did u use?

 

[SanFrancisconewb]

I am into my second week of Sust at 400 per week. I decided i would wait two weeks to weigh myself. The only sides i have are of course the pain in my ass from the shot and a little anger. My face seems a little red. I have tried to keep myself from looking at myself in the mirror. I figured that if i check every day i wont really notice the gains. The injecting is easy too. Rock on!

 

[Moderate_THIS]

There are studies showing 600mg of test/wk significantly outperforms 300mg (search pubmed)... unless HPTA supression and other side effects are much worse at 600 I will stick to the higher end. But yes, I do agree good gains can be made from low doses... just not as good as higher doses... would be interesting to see studies going higher than 600mg though

 

[witchdoktor]

Just to clarify, I believe that NO ONE needs to go over 500mgs of Test for a First Cycle to see AWESOME results. It can be Test Enanthate, Cypionate, Omnadren, or Sustanon it really doesn't matter. Just be sure to focus on your diet, training, and recuperation. This is what truly makes or breaks a cycle. Not more Gear!! Again Dragon, good job!

Amen Brother!!!