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hyphy_beast

hyphy_beast

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5'9 170 11% 26

Test P 100mg eod week 1-8
Npp 100mg eod week 1-8
Anavar 60mg ed week 2-8

Hcg 250iu 2x/week 1-8

Ldex .25mg eod week 1-8
Caber on hand

Clomid and nolva pct 3 days after last pin:

100/50/50/50
40/20/20/20



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hyphy_beast said:
5'9 170 11% 26

Test P 100mg eod week 1-8
Npp 100mg eod week 1-8
Anavar 60mg ed week 2-8

Hcg 250iu 2x/week 1-8

Ldex .25mg eod week 1-8
Caber on hand

Clomid and nolva pct 3 days after last pin:

100/50/50/50
40/20/20/20



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No NOLVA!

Hcg 3- up till pct
Start pct 5 days after or one week

Clomid way too high. 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Post cycle unleashed
Forma
Daa
 
I don't even know what some of those products are. Over the counter stuff I assume. No offense man, but I'm gonna wait for other opinions. I'm really looking for advice on the aas aspect of the cycle :)
 
hyphy_beast said:
I don't even know what some of those products are. Over the counter stuff I assume. No offense man, but I'm gonna wait for other opinions. I'm really looking for advice on the aas aspect of the cycle :)
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Alright...you want advice, here...lets first start with the most important part of ANY AAS cycle...PCT, then cycle support, then finally the cycle itself...in that order. Now you claim that that is a weird PCT set up...let me ask you this, what does Nolva do for you during PCT? Why do you use Nolva for PCT?

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Pct is the most important part of the cycle... The one he has layed out for you is going to recover you a lot better then your proposed pct. You'll feel so much better without the nolva and High dose Clomid.
 
muscleaddiction said:
Alright...you want advice, here...lets first start with the most important part of ANY AAS cycle...PCT, then cycle support, then finally the cycle itself...in that order. Now you claim that that is a weird PCT set up...let me ask you this, what does Nolva do for you during PCT? Why do you use Nolva for PCT?

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It's a serm bro I know what it does. It reduces estrogen related gyno by binding and competing for estrogen receptors. I wasn't asking for a pop quiz. Sorry I'm skeptical but I never heard of the proposed pct. I'm not just gonna run something unorthodox like that because someone said so. I've based my pct protocol on scientific research and essays I've read written by doctors.

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As does clomid, however they compete for different receptors, and clomid actually helps to re stimulate natural test production. I never said pct wasn't important btw.

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Ditch the nolva bro, especially running NPP. Clomid's effectiveness levels off around the 50mg mark, so any more than that is just useless and asking for more sides. There are much better pcts to run these days than the shit people were doing in the 80s.

A perfect pct would consist of:

DAA powder (3grams a day)
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/Post Cycle combo
Forma Stanozol

If you start hcg or hcgenerate a few weeks ahead of that pct, you'll never miss a beat, feel great the whole time, and fully recover much faster. I have had bloodwork done several times, and it proved every single time just how effective that pct regimine is.
 
Trevorisking said:
Pct is the most important part of the cycle... The one he has layed out for you is going to recover you a lot better then your proposed pct. You'll feel so much better without the nolva and High dose Clomid.
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I'm not saying pct is not the most important part! And I'm not trying to be close minded. That pct has just been standard to me. And after lots of research I've found it was the best way to fully recover.

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bigbassturd said:
Ditch the nolva bro, especially running NPP. Clomid's effectiveness levels off around the 50mg mark, so any more than that is just useless and asking for more sides. There are much better pcts to run these days than the shit people were doing in the 80s.

A perfect pct would consist of:

DAA powder (3grams a day)
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/Post Cycle combo
Forma Stanozol

If you start hcg or hcgenerate a few weeks ahead of that pct, you'll never miss a beat, feel great the whole time, and fully recover much faster. I have had bloodwork done several times, and it proved every single time just how effective that pct regimine is.
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Is all that other stuff otc? I can get it from a supplement shop or what?

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Probably not a local shop. Online is the best way to find it. Local shops (GNC especially) tend to sell a bunch of bullshit products. All but the clomid is OTC and legal to purchase...at least until the FDA goes on another retarded banning spree..
 
HCG is also not gonna be technically 'legal' except for research purposes only.

Hcgenerate is OTC though.

You can find most of that at needtobuildmuscle.com
Mrsupps.com
Proteinfactory.com

The clomid and hcg, that's gonna be a little more difficult. I get clomid from chemicalneed.com I make my own hcg
 
bigbassturd said:
HCG is also not gonna be technically 'legal' except for research purposes only.

Hcgenerate is OTC though.

You can find most of that at needtobuildmuscle.com
Mrsupps.com
Proteinfactory.com

The clomid and hcg, that's gonna be a little more difficult. I get clomid from chemicalneed.com I make my own hcg
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Ya I can get the hcg and clomid. I'm just shocked cause I'm new to this forum and this is all new pct protocol to me. Everyone on the other forum I belong to swears by this nolva clomid pct saying this other stuff won't do it for you. Trust me I'm open for change.

So you're basically saying that protocol is unnecessary and out dated huh??

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D absorbic acid you have never heard of? well now you have. get it for PCT, its awesome.

ditch the nolva, here on EF we are the best steroid site out there for a reason. cause we are modern and advanced. nolva/clomid pct is outdated and its a shitty PCT. part of pct is feeling good, they both make you feel like shit. you don't want to run clomid at 100 a day, the sides are gonna be awful.. the whole stacking 2 SERM's together for pct is nonsense
 
hyphy_beast said:
Ya I can get the hcg and clomid. I'm just shocked cause I'm new to this forum and this is all new pct protocol to me. Everyone on the other forum I belong to swears by this nolva clomid pct saying this other stuff won't do it for you. Trust me I'm open for change.

So you're basically saying that protocol is unnecessary and out dated huh??

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Absolutely bro. No need to use a VCR when they sell DVD players. Clomid does have its uses restoring the hpta, but above 50mgs is a waste. PCT is not just about killing estrogen, you need a little estrogen. You're really trying to keep your test up while getting your LH and FSH levels up.

In your pituitary gland, DAA will boost the concentration of your cGMP. When your cGMP is up, it naturally raises LH levels.

Nolva and clomid were the best options in their day, but we have come a long way since then, and they are now becoming obsolete.

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hyphy_beast said:
Ya I can get the hcg and clomid. I'm just shocked cause I'm new to this forum and this is all new pct protocol to me. Everyone on the other forum I belong to swears by this nolva clomid pct saying this other stuff won't do it for you. Trust me I'm open for change.

So you're basically saying that protocol is unnecessary and out dated huh??

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Welcome to 2012 bro your pct is outdated
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed post cycle/ combo
Forma stanzol
DAA powder or DAA power chews

"obsessed is what the lazy call the motivated"
 
Ok thanks guys. I will def. re do my pct having had this revelation. I appreciate it.

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What would you guys recommend for someone who was already half way through that nolva clomid combo pct? Stop the nolva, decrease clomid to 25, and get the rest of the items on the list and start asap? Or just finish it out and know better next cycle?

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I would drop the nolva, go with 25-50mg clomid, and get at least DAA and forma asap. The unleashed and post cycle is going to be hard to find in stock but if you're able to i'd get that also. DAA is an extremely common test boosting supp, so you should have no problem finding that. NTBM has some good DAA powder as well as the chewable kind.
 
^^^ yep. i agree

the nolva will take a while to clear out of your system depending on how long you have been on it. a week give or take a day or two. but you want that crap out asap. never run nolva with that cycle anyway.

and also you mentioned 'caber on hand' in your first post. need to run it from day 1, there is a guy who is on tren on here who did not run it cause he wanted to wait to see if he would be okay without it and by week 3 he is already having sore nips. so RUN IT from the start, don't get cute with cycling.. cover all bases

DAA the powder form is what i use cause I put together a mixture of things in my shakes, but if you are on the go then the chewables are gonna be your way to go. use steve15 and save 15% .. needtobuildmuscle.com ..
 
Yeah can't be too careful with support supps. I always run caber from the start with nandrolones. I don't get along very well with prami, so I always use caber, but you may be ok with using prami. It makes me feel like shit.

And I also use powder form DAA, as I can mix it in with my pre workout or post workout shake and knock it back.
 
Lol...gee I guess I don't need to explain anything here as all my bros already have...trust me bro, I wasn't trying to be a jerk, just asking you if you knew why you were taking Nolva and Clomid for your PCT, and you did...because it has been the "protocol" from another forum. Let me just say, ditch that other forum and welcome to your new EF family! You are in good hands with Elite Fitness!

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Have you considered starting the var in week 4 and running right up to pct? You'd bridge the two week gap into pct, and could up the dose to 80mg for those last two weeks.
 
bigbassturd said:
Have you considered starting the var in week 4 and running right up to pct? You'd bridge the two week gap into pct, and could up the dose to 80mg for those last two weeks.
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I'm running short esthers, so I would start pct 3 days after last pin, correct?

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muscleaddiction said:
Lol...gee I guess I don't need to explain anything here as all my bros already have...trust me bro, I wasn't trying to be a jerk, just asking you if you knew why you were taking Nolva and Clomid for your PCT, and you did...because it has been the "protocol" from another forum. Let me just say, ditch that other forum and welcome to your new EF family! You are in good hands with Elite Fitness!

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Ok, no worries, thank you!

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hyphy_beast said:
I'm running short esthers, so I would start pct 3 days after last pin, correct?

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Oh shit yeah slipped up there, I was thinking long ester. With short esters I normally start 3 to 5 days after my last pin.

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I'd consider just running the forma stanozolol on cycle as well and drop the dex. The forma will help with prolactin build up as well.


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