Cycle Engineering, Heres a Thought!

[jnef]

Again though all personal prefrence, and through blood work done i was able to maintain what ever my target value was per week, and have great effects so much better then test ran at the norm.


this was probably my 12-13 cycle. but one of my best with this protocol.

bump this thread, intrested to hear vets + mods on this one

 

[wzkid]

Still think its crazy to assume that all gear is underdosed at 25%

And not sure how much I believe you about using yourself as a guinea pig.

And dont forget to answer eddymerckx's question.

What exactly did you test?

 

[splperformance]

Still think its crazy to assume that all gear is underdosed at 25%

And not sure how much I believe you about using yourself as a guinea pig.

And dont forget to answer eddymerckx's question.

What exactly did you test?

well from personal experience back in the day, i use to send all my shit out when it came from a UG...and to be quite honest with you, ALL of my UG shit came back @ it's labelled dose or higher...sometimes even as much as 20% higher so his statement of all gear is underdosed by 25% is a load of shit...no offense but if labs still tested, you would be eating a pile of dirt for saying that as you would be proven wrong time and time again...

and another question i have on this whole guinea pig concept...how does your body feel or compensate for the lack of blood as you are pulling out atleast 1 vial of blood every 3 days and probably more vials than that in order to get tested...the reason i ask is because the more blood your body loses, the weaker and more lethargic you become and when you're juicing, you have to push your body that much harder...2 and 2 doesn't make 4 to me in this scenario

 

[splperformance]

and no wz this wasn't towards you...it was towards the guinea pig from texas lol...just wanted to clear that up as i quoted your shit lol

 

[GUARDIAN]

i think it is dangerous to assume that all UG gear is underdosed by 25% and to try to make up for it.

 

[pumpitupmoo]

shouldnt this be taken on individual levels IF and only if your gear is underdosed with lab proof than i dont see a problem but i find it hard to believe that EVERY UG lab underdose their product by as much as 25 %

 

[TexasTraining]

I never said ug gear is under dosed by 25% , the 25% ratio is an overstatement to prevent under dosing the protocol.


the 25% accounts for gear being under dosed, and the amount your body actually uses every injection. I can remember where i read the study at, maybe i can find it, but it showed that your body only actually uses 70-80% of the initial injection.


So with that being said i used a round number 25%

And why am i being called a guinnie pig, i only did 1 weeks worth of labs. i felt fine had no problem with lethargy.

But alot of vets do swear by using long esters eod or e3d

Tex

 

[rjbodnar62]

I wrote this on another forum earlier today and would like you alls feed back.


some of you may know me on here

Engineering the Perfect Cycle!

I Base this theory from studies and trials done over time witch I have been fortunate to read. The mindset most people have is that enanthate half life is really 5 days, while this is true it also is false, most people believe that if they take 500mg of Test E and inject once per week, that by time the next injection is due there blood values just then start to decrease and then they add another 500mg and wow there now at 1000 and so on, but users started experiencing more side using it this way ie test flu, acne high blood pressure and so forth. Then users started splitting the dosages Monday and Thursday as an attempt to not take so much at one time and keep sides to a minimum, while this has shown to be the most popular some users depending on the sensitivity to the compound have sides that witch they complain of. Well with further study reason behind the complaints and bad reviews was because of fluctuating blood values. Well from testimonials and further research the advise witch I am going to give can reap much better gains, much less sides and a true stable blood value.


Take the Beginners Test E only cycle @ 500mg/wk

Great first cycle, but why not take it in a way that can give you the most bang for the buck. Say your compound is 250mg/ml you need to account for a few things,

1 Most ug labs and even human grade products are under dosed.
2 When you inject a compound your body only uses about 75-80% the rest becomes unused in the body and turned to waste.
3 Enanthate actually start to lose its value by day 3 after the injection by as much as 12%

So being that said, I?m going to assume a 25% loss on everything, to make up for the above two points. So to equal 250mg you would really need to inject 312.5mg to equal 250mg so to run your Monday Thursday with that principle you would need to inject 312.5 mg every Monday and Thursday, BUT your still going to have unstable and fluctuating levels resulting in some unwanted sides and can inhibit max growth ability.

Well to counter this I propose that when running say test and your target Value for the cycle is 500mg/wk run it like the following

On day one inject 625mg witch would equal 500mg. Then every third day inject 75mg to keep your values at 500mg, at all times with no fluctuating and better results.

Now your asking how did I get these numbers. Simple. 500mg X 0.25% loss = 125mg loss, so in order to get a true 500 you need to add your loss 125mg to the target 500mg = 625mg. And for the maintenance dose. If by day 3 your values have decreased 12% that would leave you blood values @ 440mg, 60mg off from your target value, in order to get that 60mg back you would need to resort back to my 25% waste factor, 60mg X 0.25% loss = 15mg of lost compound so to compensate you would add 15mg to the target 60mg and inject 75mg every third day witch would give you the needed 60mg that you would lose in that third day.
Say you wanted to take 750mg Test E /WK

Day one you would need to inject 937.5mg and every third day 112.5mg to keep values at a steady and even 750mg.

The same theory can also be applied to Decanate Esters, but using a 10% decrease in blood values instead of 12% by day 3

So a Test deca cycle running at 750mg/Test E and 300mg / Nandralone

Would be run like this

Day one inject 937.5mg of Test and 375mg Nandralone and on every third day inject 112.5mg test e and 37.5mg Nandralone

I know that that first day will be about 5-6cc but once you get through that every third day your looking at about 1cc and much better results.


So yeah that?s what I wanted to say, hope this helps out a bit. I know genepool and ironwork both use this method and have had spectacular results,



Tex

Based on a 7-day half-life, if you shoot 625mg on day 1 and 75 mg e3d thereafter, u won't keep a steady level of 500mg. By day 21, your levels will be around 275~300mg. Its because the rate of decay of the first shot of 625mg. After week 3 (day 21, there is only 67 mg left). Factoring in the other 75mg shots and there decay, u have ~ 275 mg of test left.

Check my math, I may be wrong.

 

[motiondo]

So this is a bit confusing...is the suggetion here that after the initial 625mg dose that the rest of the cycle should be maintained by simply keeping a constant 75mg flow going every 3rd day...? and that's all - there's no need to do any more 500mg injections?? I'm a bit lost on the totality of the final conclusion -- Plus I agree with most here that it is very dangerous to assume that most ug Labs underdose by 25%...EVEN IF YOU'RE JUST ROUNDING THE NUMBERS...to assume that this protocl should be applied across the board - no matter where they aquire their gear from...potentially puts a lot of folks at risk for OVER DOSING>

 

[GUARDIAN]

That is a matter of molecular weight, the weight of the ester versus the weight of the actual test per 100mg of oil.
It is a crude assumption but that makes better sense now. I still dont think it is worth worrying about unless u r using test suspension which is 1:1.

I never said ug gear is under dosed by 25% , the 25% ratio is an overstatement to prevent under dosing the protocol.


the 25% accounts for gear being under dosed, and the amount your body actually uses every injection. I can remember where i read the study at, maybe i can find it, but it showed that your body only actually uses 70-80% of the initial injection.


So with that being said i used a round number 25%

And why am i being called a guinnie pig, i only did 1 weeks worth of labs. i felt fine had no problem with lethargy.

But alot of vets do swear by using long esters eod or e3d

Tex