Cycle Critique

[yourmomgoestocollege]

5'8
175lbs
15% BF (bulked over the winter)

Upcoming cycle looks like this, but might change:

1-12 500mg/Test E or C (leaning towards C to hold less water)
1-12 300 to 400mg/ EQ
6-12 Winny or Tren Ace (which do you think would be better, I can get both)
Clen T3/4 combo throughout cycle

PCT is all set. Thinking of running A-dex throughout at .5mg a day for last 8 weeks. I have never had gyno and seem to react ok to most chemicals.

 

[WannaBeBig72]

5'8
175lbs
15% BF (bulked over the winter)

Upcoming cycle looks like this, but might change:

1-12 500mg/Test E or C (leaning towards C to hold less water)
1-12 300 to 400mg/ EQ
6-12 Winny or Tren Ace (which do you think would be better, I can get both)
Clen T3/4 combo throughout cycle

PCT is all set. Thinking of running A-dex throughout at .5mg a day for last 8 weeks. I have never had gyno and seem to react ok to most chemicals.

Why not run the TrenAce or Winny (I'd run Tren) in the beginning? It's going to take a couple of weeks for the Test and EQ to kick in and the Tren will give you a big jump start.

 

[cyrex]

5'8
175lbs
15% BF (bulked over the winter)

Upcoming cycle looks like this, but might change:

1-12 500mg/Test E or C (leaning towards C to hold less water)
1-12 300 to 400mg/ EQ
6-12 Winny or Tren Ace (which do you think would be better, I can get both)
Clen T3/4 combo throughout cycle

PCT is all set. Thinking of running A-dex throughout at .5mg a day for last 8 weeks. I have never had gyno and seem to react ok to most chemicals.

Frontload the EQ if you are only gonna do it for 12 weeks and extend your long estered Test a week or two past your last EQ shot so that way they both drop below effective levels at the same time.

Based on general assumptions on things you left out:
I'd go with Tren Ace if you have no adverse reactions to it, but run it at the beginning for 6 or 7 weeks rather than the end.

wk1-7 Tren Ace 50mg ED (ED is very important to keep blood levels steady)
wk1-13 Test E 500mg
wk1 800mg EQ
wk2 600mg EQ
wk3 600mg EQ
wk4-12.5 400mg EQ (.5 means only 1 shot that week)

start PCT around wk 15.

Split your EQ/Test shots into 2x/week like Su Thu or M F or M Th this helps to keep your levels of EQ and Test more even as well.

So other people can have the info before they reply:
How many cycles?
Have you used Tren before?
How old?
Is this a cutter?

 

[yourmomgoestocollege]

Frontload the EQ if you are only gonna do it for 12 weeks and extend your long estered Test a week or two past your last EQ shot so that way they both drop below effective levels at the same time.

Based on general assumptions on things you left out:
I'd go with Tren Ace if you have no adverse reactions to it, but run it at the beginning for 6 or 7 weeks rather than the end.

wk1-7 Tren Ace 50mg ED (ED is very important to keep blood levels steady)
wk1-13 Test E 500mg
wk1 800mg EQ
wk2 600mg EQ
wk3 600mg EQ
wk4-12.5 400mg EQ (.5 means only 1 shot that week)

start PCT around wk 15.

Split your EQ/Test shots into 2x/week like Su Thu or M F or M Th this helps to keep your levels of EQ and Test more even as well.

So other people can have the info before they reply:
How many cycles?
Have you used Tren before?
How old?
Is this a cutter?

4 cycles
29
Yes it is a cutter. Good points to consider. I like the idea of front loading the EQ and extending the Test out a couple weeks.

 

[njmuscleguy]

A few suggestions:

Like others have said, jump start the cycle with the tren, since you won't see any results from the test until week 4 or 5 and you won't get anything from the EQ until week 10 or so... if you were doing an oral as well, then I'd suggest jumpstarting with the oral and finishing off with the tren....

I've never done EQ before, but from the countless posts I've read about EQ, it takes a long time to kick in....Week 10 or longer, so you may want to consider extending EQ to 14 weeks? Do a search on here for EQ cycles or wait for some more responses on this.... It would suck for you to do only 12 weeks an not get the full benefits of the EQ cycle

I would run the Adex throughout the entire cycle... just to be on the safe side.... plus it will keep the bloat off...

What does your PCT look like?

 

[yourmomgoestocollege]

A few suggestions:

Like others have said, jump start the cycle with the tren, since you won't see any results from the test until week 4 or 5 and you won't get anything from the EQ until week 10 or so... if you were doing an oral as well, then I'd suggest jumpstarting with the oral and finishing off with the tren....

I've never done EQ before, but from the countless posts I've read about EQ, it takes a long time to kick in....Week 10 or longer, so you may want to consider extending EQ to 14 weeks? Do a search on here for EQ cycles or wait for some more responses on this.... It would suck for you to do only 12 weeks an not get the full benefits of the EQ cycle

I would run the Adex throughout the entire cycle... just to be on the safe side.... plus it will keep the bloat off...

What does your PCT look like?

PCT is HCG and Nolv. Probably 3 shots per week for 3 weeks of the HCG. Run the Nolv. for 3-4 weeks.

 

[steelmass]

Frontload the EQ if you are only gonna do it for 12 weeks and extend your long estered Test a week or two past your last EQ shot so that way they both drop below effective levels at the same time.

Based on general assumptions on things you left out:
I'd go with Tren Ace if you have no adverse reactions to it, but run it at the beginning for 6 or 7 weeks rather than the end.

wk1-7 Tren Ace 50mg ED (ED is very important to keep blood levels steady)
wk1-13 Test E 500mg
wk1 800mg EQ
wk2 600mg EQ
wk3 600mg EQ
wk4-12.5 400mg EQ (.5 means only 1 shot that week)

start PCT around wk 15.

Split your EQ/Test shots into 2x/week like Su Thu or M F or M Th this helps to keep your levels of EQ and Test more even as well.

So other people can have the info before they reply:
How many cycles?
Have you used Tren before?
How old?
Is this a cutter?

Great cycle. I'd run what cyrex is suggesting.

 

[swordfish151]

5'8
175lbs
15% BF (bulked over the winter)

Upcoming cycle looks like this, but might change:

1-12 500mg/Test E or C (leaning towards C to hold less water)
1-12 300 to 400mg/ EQ
6-12 Winny or Tren Ace (which do you think would be better, I can get both)
Clen T3/4 combo throughout cycle

PCT is all set. Thinking of running A-dex throughout at .5mg a day for last 8 weeks. I have never had gyno and seem to react ok to most chemicals.

How about something like this:

1-12 500mgs Test C
1-14 400mgs EQ
6-12 Tren Ace 50mgs ED
6-12 Winny 50mgs ED

That would be a killer stack...i would prefer prop over test C in this case though..but your choice.

 

[black sheep]

DO NOT RUN TREN AT THE END - It will make recovery much more difficult. .. Run your tren in the first half.

I would do the following:

1-14 Test Cyp 500/w
1-14 EQ 400mg/w
1-2 EQ 800mg/w FRONTLOAD
1-6 Tren Ace 50mg ED
9-14 Winny 50mg ED orally - 25mg every 12 hours.

14,15,16 HCG 1000 iu's EOD
Week 16-20 Nolva 20mg ED
Week 16,17,18 Clomid 50mg ED

 

[lakelandrb20]

5'8
175lbs
15% BF (bulked over the winter)

Upcoming cycle looks like this, but might change:

1-12 500mg/Test E or C (leaning towards C to hold less water)
1-12 300 to 400mg/ EQ
6-12 Winny or Tren Ace (which do you think would be better, I can get both)
Clen T3/4 combo throughout cycle

PCT is all set. Thinking of running A-dex throughout at .5mg a day for last 8 weeks. I have never had gyno and seem to react ok to most chemicals.

personallu i like tren better than winny, and i would run clen in ur pct

 

[immortalis]

Unless you are going to frontload the EQ, I would extend it to 14 weeks instead of just 10.

Personally I dont like winny that much, so I would go for Ace towards the end as well.

 

[Bruce]

I agree with this. tren is a nandrolone derivative so it will shut you down hard, better to do that at the begining, while the long esters are still in you there will be no crash. then you finish with winny which from my experience is like coming off of nothing.

DO NOT RUN TREN AT THE END - It will make recovery much more difficult. .. Run your tren in the first half.

I would do the following:

1-14 Test Cyp 500/w
1-14 EQ 400mg/w
1-2 EQ 800mg/w FRONTLOAD
1-6 Tren Ace 50mg ED
9-14 Winny 50mg ED orally - 25mg every 12 hours.

14,15,16 HCG 1000 iu's EOD
Week 16-20 Nolva 20mg ED
Week 16,17,18 Clomid 50mg ED

 

[cyrex]

You coulda also take what i suggested and add in winny at the end to harden up even more if you like

DO NOT do test for wk 1-12 and EQ for wk 1-14

keep the test going for 2 - 4 shots AFTER the EQ stops.. EQ has a longer half life and will take longer to drop to sub beneficial levels. Try to get the timing right so they both stop at the same time so that way your PCT is as effective as possible. Next to diet, PCT is one of the most important aspects of this cycle. With the tren and test in there you should get shut down pretty hard, but with proper PCT you should get back up and in action easily enough

 

[njmuscleguy]

PCT is HCG and Nolv. Probably 3 shots per week for 3 weeks of the HCG. Run the Nolv. for 3-4 weeks.

run the A-dex for the same amount of time as the HCG during your PCT and run the Nolvadex a little longer, 6 weeks

 

[cyrex]

I like to back my advice up with logical reasononing rather than just saying "it's what everyone else does..."

 

[trinidad]

I'd run it like this:
1-10 test
1-12 eq
11-14 prop ( a switch to a short acting test to run with the tren & for PCT timing)
8-14 tren
8-14 winny
14-17 pct

If you decide to run tren/winny at the end they should run 2 wks past your longer esters because of their short half life and then start PCT to keep gains. Your only running tren @50 mgs ed & if you switch the test towards the end to prop, recovery should be fine. Prop also has a short half life. Running tren at the start might give you a bit of a kick but by the time you start PCT, you've given your body 8 wks. to let the tren run out of your system. Nice if you want a "kickstart" but better to run them as I outlined so you can start your PCT which will be for all of the aas you're taking.

 

[cyrex]

I'd run it like this:
1-10 test
1-12 eq
11-14 prop ( a switch to a short acting test to run with the tren & for PCT timing)
8-14 tren
8-14 winny
14-17 pct

If you decide to run tren/winny at the end they should run 2 wks past your longer esters because of their short half life and then start PCT to keep gains. Your only running tren @50 mgs ed & if you switch the test towards the end to prop, recovery should be fine. Prop also has a short half life. Running tren at the start might give you a bit of a kick but by the time you start PCT, you've given your body 8 wks. to let the tren run out of your system. Nice if you want a "kickstart" but better to run them as I outlined so you can start your PCT which will be for all of the aas you're taking.

not a bad cycle but ending with tren might be do a number on the nads...

 

[Bruce]

thats what i am saying. tren at the begining and win at the end.