Cycle Critique

[bssimar]

I'm 6' 210 and about 25-28%% bf (disgusting) I'm looking to put on some mass and lose about 5-10% bf while staying at/around this weight. How do you guys think this looks.

Weeks 1-12 Test E (GTP) 250mg E4D
Weeks 1-2 Dbol (Bianabol) 30mg/day
Weeks 3-4 Dbol (Bianabol) 40mg/day
Weeks 5-10 Tren E (GTP) 250mg E4D
Weeks 5-12 Winny (Some Zambon, the rest Anc-Pharm) 50mg ED (inj)

I've listed the brands of each gear. Feel free to give me your comments (from experience, preferably) on each. Of course, I've got my Proviron, Nolva, HCG, and Clomid ready. Also, what are your opinions on taking the Dbol. All at once or spread over the day. Thanks, B-)

 

[gettinkrunkd]

I'm 6' 210 and about 25% bf (disgusting) I'm looking to put on some mass and lose about 5-10% bf while staying at/around this weight. How do you guys think this looks.

Weeks 1-12 Test E 250mg E4D
Weeks 1-2 Dbol 30mg/day
Weeks 3-4 Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 5-10 Tren E 250mg E4D
Weeks 5-12 Winny 50mg ED (inj)

Of course, I've got my Proviron, Nolva, HCG, and Clomid ready. Also, what are your opinions on taking the Dbol. All at once or spread over the day. Thanks, B-)

me personally, id just run the dbol at 30 mgs the entire time, and drink the winny instead.

 

[bssimar]

me personally, id just run the dbol at 30 mgs the entire time, and drink the winny instead.

Do you think 40mg is too much? With the amount I have, I could run it as posted, or 30mg/day for 5 weeks, or 25mg/day for 6 weeks. I didn't want to run the Tren and the DBol together, however, and I figured two weeks at 40mg would be alright, and maybe give me a little more bulk. Oh, and I have no problem sticking myself every day, but I will probably drink the winny every once 3-5 days so I don't feel like a pin cushion. Peace, B-)

 

[sweed]

wow... um i suggest u loose weight first... try gettin down to 10- 12% bf range first... i will take a little while... but this is just to make sure u know how to diet first. after that is in check with a good training routine then maybe u can start thinking about AS. It will be worth it. How old are you?... how long have u been training?... waaay too much for first cycle also. Dont use AS for burning fat. there are plenty of prodcts to use (along with strict clean diet) to help u loose that weight.

 

[bssimar]

wow... um i suggest u loose weight first... try gettin down to 10- 12% bf range first... i will take a little while... but this is just to make sure u know how to diet first. after that is in check with a good training routine then maybe u can start thinking about AS. It will be worth it. How old are you?... how long have u been training?... waaay too much for first cycle also. Dont use AS for burning fat. there are plenty of prodcts to use (along with strict clean diet) to help u loose that weight.

I'm no newbie, I'm 29 and this will be my 6th cycle. I've been training off and on since high school and about 4 years steady now. My body fat reading may be exagerated, it came from a scale i bought at wal-mart and not sure its trustworthy. my diet i can keep in check, and i've run very similar cycles, but never dbol before. usually would use test/deca but don't want to use deca and tren. always wanted to try dbol and figured it would kick the test off nicely. thanks for the concern, though, bro. good to see bros posting cautious advice and not just "more juice, more juice!". Peace, B-)

 

[Raffaz]

Gotta agree with sweed on this one. If your BF really is that high, then theres something wrong with ya diet, and to get the best out of AAS, it needs to be in check. If you think ya BF reading is exaggerated, then just do a visual check. Can you see any of your abs?

Mick

 

[bssimar]

Gotta agree with sweed on this one. If your BF really is that high, then theres something wrong with ya diet, and to get the best out of AAS, it needs to be in check. If you think ya BF reading is exaggerated, then just do a visual check. Can you see any of your abs?

Mick

Can't really see them, but I can feel them. I'm not that fat. Thanks for the advice, bro.

 

[sweed]

prob more like 15% if its a "can't really see them" lol... guesss tho... take a quick pic bro and fly it up here for us to check it out

 

[Raffaz]

Ok, so you cant see ya abs, so your probably at least 18%BF. I still think ya shouldnt do a cycle till ya get ya BF down, but chances are your gonna do it regardless. I personally wouldnt even bother running ya winny, it would just be a waste in my opinion because of the high BF. I would just run ya test and dbol (i prefer to space the dosage out). Cant really comment on the tren, never ran it coz the sides seem to harsh for me. Try and get ya diet in check, at least 2grams protein per lb of bodyweight. You might wanna add some cardio in there to bring BF down aswell.

Mick

 

[bssimar]

prob more like 15% if its a "can't really see them" lol... guesss tho... take a quick pic bro and fly it up here for us to check it out

I'm at work with no digital camera. My cousins the fitnes director for a hotel chains gym facilities. She could probably help out. Say its under 20%, think I'd be good to go, or wait and get it a little lower. I'm gonna really work hard at this cycle because I want to be in shape for our trip this fall. I'm really looking to start next week. B-)

 

[Raffaz]

I would wait till ya get ya BF lower, you cat really cut and bulk at the same time.

Mick

 

[bssimar]

I would wait till ya get ya BF lower, you cat really cut and bulk at the same time.

Mick

Thanks, bro, So once I've got the bf in check, how does the cycle look? B-)

 

[RADAR]

Morning cardio on an empty stomach my man,and if you need faster results take Thermorexin 30 min before.
No snacks after your last evening meal either!
By the end of the cycle if your diet is clean you should be good to go!


RADAR

 

[chefbone]

Cut body fat for sure. Run the dbol at 40mg a day for 1-4 weeks. Run the test 1-12. Save the tren and winny for the next cycle but use test with that to so it won't shut you down.

 

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For liver reasons I don't like certain things about this. You are doing winny and tren together, both stress your liver and I'd only run the winny for six weeks for liver reasons as well. Not to mention you were running dbol as well, all are 17aa. Hard on your liver bro.

 

[Tux]

Tren does not stress the liver, it's not 17aa. However, running tren E only weeks 5-10 is bad, it's a long ester and needs more time to kick in. I'd run the tren weeks 1-10, the test 1-10. Dbol 1-4, winny 8-12, start PCT right after winny is done. Keep the dbol at 30mg/day the whole time. And yes, lose some fat before you start the cycle. It is possible to bulk up then cut while on cycle, but you'll likely gain more fat than you need if you're already a bit heavy when you start.

 

[gimp]

i would just run test at 500mg/week...maybe a little more if you want
do some tren for the first 8 weeks at a good dose..around 350-400mg/week. you'll get results... just do 30-40 mins of cardio in the a.m...then weights in the p.m., clean food only, nothing processed,cheap and easy cycle to run.
winny is my all time favourite drug...but, I don't run it unless I am 12% or under, winny is great for maintaining muscle during dieting and gives tons of endurance, but, it's not really a mass builder and the best thing about winny is it makes you look leaner and harder if you already have low bf%. as soon as you stop it the water generally comes back and you'll smooth out again. keep it for a summer cycle next year.

 

[bssimar]

Tren does not stress the liver, it's not 17aa. However, running tren E only weeks 5-10 is bad, it's a long ester and needs more time to kick in. I'd run the tren weeks 1-10, the test 1-10. Dbol 1-4, winny 8-12, start PCT right after winny is done. Keep the dbol at 30mg/day the whole time. And yes, lose some fat before you start the cycle. It is possible to bulk up then cut while on cycle, but you'll likely gain more fat than you need if you're already a bit heavy when you start.

I have 15cc's of Tren A 75mg/ml that I was holding onto for a later cycle. Could I use this short ester in combination with the Tren E somehow to make it work better in this shorter time frame, rather than buy some more Tren E? I've thought about this already, but couldn't come up with good plan. I'm on a pretty tight budget right now, and the wife feels we've spent enough on our present cycles already. She has half the money and all the pu$$y, ya know!

 

[Tux]

You could run acetate at the beginning while waiting for the enanthate to build up, but that still won't solve the problem of the enanthate dosage being low. You really just need more of one or the other. You could run acetate the last 5 weeks fine, as it kicks in quickly, or enanthate the whole way through, but you really need to pick just one of them and run it the correct time-frame for it's ester. Perhaps just wait till you have more money, and diet off a little bf in the meantime? Or, just keep telling your wife how much better you'll look on the tren, and maybe she won't mind the extra money Especially since the extra test should have you satisfying her several times a day!

 

[thelion2005]

You have a very manageable situation and over 4-6 weeks can achieve a striking physical change:
(1) Eat only eggs, meat/fish/fowl and colorful veggies 4-5 times a day. Drink de-cafs and water. No flour products, no fast sugars including fruit. The fat will fall off you. Strength and energy will go through the roof.
(2) Train briefly and intensely Push/Legs/Pull/Rest 4 day cycle.
(3) Sleep 7 hours.
(4) 5 mg dibol only to gain some muscle as the fat falls off. Any more and you'll bloat.

Expect to lose 10-15 lbs of water/fat (glub) and gain 5 pounds of muscle.

The difference will shock you!

Tough to live this way over a long period. It is dull diet.

 

[pentatonic]

If your doing this for a trip in the fall, i'd diet down for June and July and maybe on into August. Get your bodyfat down. Then start your cycle. I don't know anything about your past with cycles you've done but I agree with what Tux said about Tren E being long ester and you probably don't want to run that the last 5 weeks. Not really any use out of ramping up on dbol, just go with 40 per day consistently if that's the dosage your wanting to use. I'd definately work on that bodyfat first though.