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[gymratforlife]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. In both cases you are consuming 3000 calories, which may be under, at, or over maintenance, but in all cases, it's the same number.

Smaller meals lead to MORE metabolism boosts, while larger meals lead to LARGER metabolism boosts. Everything works out to be the same.



So, if your maintenance calories were 2000 and you consumed 2500 cals of ALL protein, you wouldn't get fat? Ok, buddy. I'll go get my clue now .

I swear, I said it in another thread too, Elite's a great board for discussing cycles and training, but when it comes to diet you can throw a dart and hit a more informative board than this. No one seems to know what they're talking about, and when some new information is presented responses like "you're an idiot" or "you have no idea what you're talking about" are quite common. No one is ever able to explain their position so insults come out.

Tell me, why can't you get fat from eating too much protein, or too many carbs? Each macronutrient is a source of energy, ie. calories. They perform different functions in the body, but when it comes to weight gain or loss, they're all just units of energy.

If you want to argue that dietary fat can be stored as fat MORE EASILY than carbs or protein, that's fine. But statements like "bad fat makes you fat" show a complete lack of knowledge.

I did not insult you bro i am sorry if you took it that way but I do believe that you are a LOT better off spliting those 3000 calories in 6 smaller meals than in 3 big ones.The reason being that your body will have a much easier time absorbing 500 calories for muscle tissue repair and Glycogen stores in 3 hours than it would with 1000 calories.I tend to believe that with 1000 calories you are more likely to have overspill and have a pretty good portion of it stored as fat.Also it makes more sense to digest food in smaller portions through out the day than just digest 3 huge amounts 3 times a day.I could be wrong though none of this stuff is ever written in stone,if it was wed all look like Ronie Coleman right?

 

[will b huge]

Consuming more calories than you need will make you fat, doesn't matter what macronutrient they come from.

Yea get a clue. Incorect info. Ludacris actually.

Borg, Agreed 1000% as every bodybuilder or anyone with common sense already knows.....This bro CLEARLY HAS NO CLUE WHATSOEVER!!!!

6+ smaller meals a day is TONS BETTER THAN 3 LARGE ONES---Will keep your metabolism pumping!!!!!!


JOE STENSON, let me help you see the light.........

You said that if someone is eating 3000 cals---it doesnt matter if its 6 meals or whatever----3000 cals is 3000 cals........

THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG--TRY A DIET THAT YOU EAT 6-8 MEALS WITH A TOTAL OF 3000 CALS; THEN TRY A DIET WHERE YOU SIT DOWN 1 MEAL AND EAT 3000 CALS-----PLEASE TELL US WHAT HAPPENS----(if the same result happens--I'LL pay you $1000)


You said that it doesnt matter what macronutrient cals come from--its when you eat above your maintenance that will make you fat, you said if your maintenance is 2000 cals and if you ate 2500 of all protein--you would get fat--------

ALSO COMPLETELY WRONG----
AGAIN, PLEASE TRY A DIET OF 2500 CALS OF ALL PROTEIN, THEN TRY A DIET OF 2000 CALS OF TWINKIES-----(if the result is 2500 makes you fatter--I WILL PAY YOU $1000)


Joe, You have clearly never dieted for bodybuilding,

 

[borg4902]

What did I ever say about cal consumption?????? No shit eating more than maintenence will make you fat. Eat 3000 cals of pure fat and see what you look like.
"doesn't matter what macronutrient they come from."

 

[Joe Stenson]

I did not insult you bro i am sorry if you took it that way but I do believe that you are a LOT better off spliting those 3000 calories in 6 smaller meals than in 3 big ones.The reason being that your body will have a much easier time absorbing 500 calories for muscle tissue repair and Glycogen stores in 3 hours than it would with 1000 calories.I tend to believe that with 1000 calories you are more likely to have overspill and have a pretty good portion of it stored as fat.Also it makes more sense to digest food in smaller portions through out the day than just digest 3 huge amounts 3 times a day.I could be wrong though none of this stuff is ever written in stone,if it was wed all look like Ronie Coleman right?

No offense taken.

There ARE benefits to eating more frequent meals. However, none of them apply to fat loss (given calories are kept constant), and the main supposed benefit of it being better for your metabolism is a myth.

I eat more than 3 meals/day. Why? Because I'd be absolutely starving if I had to wait 6-7 hours between meals and because, depending on how many calories you need to be consuming per day, it might be very tough to get them all in 3 meals. Am I under the false impression that this is somehow keeping me leaner than only eating 3 meals would? Nope.

 

[DieselGunz]

Will B Huge


Great posts, thanx again for the help

K to you!

excellent thread peeps

 

[Joe Stenson]

6+ smaller meals a day is TONS BETTER THAN 3 LARGE ONES---Will keep your metabolism pumping!!!!!!

You clearly have not seen the study I mentioned.

You said that if someone is eating 3000 cals---it doesnt matter if its 6 meals or whatever----3000 cals is 3000 cals........

THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG--TRY A DIET THAT YOU EAT 6-8 MEALS WITH A TOTAL OF 3000 CALS; THEN TRY A DIET WHERE YOU SIT DOWN 1 MEAL AND EAT 3000 CALS-----PLEASE TELL US WHAT HAPPENS----(if the same result happens--I'LL pay you $1000)

The study looked at 3 meals vs. 6. General concensus is that 3 meals is the minimum for there to be no difference in metabolism. 1 meal would be worse, so you're right there.

You said that it doesnt matter what macronutrient cals come from--its when you eat above your maintenance that will make you fat, you said if your maintenance is 2000 cals and if you ate 2500 of all protein--you would get fat--------

ALSO COMPLETELY WRONG----
AGAIN, PLEASE TRY A DIET OF 2500 CALS OF ALL PROTEIN, THEN TRY A DIET OF 2000 CALS OF TWINKIES-----(if the result is 2500 makes you fatter--I WILL PAY YOU $1000)

Great. Use a completely bogus example to "prove me wrong" .

Yes, you would get "fatter" eating a diet consisting only of Twinkies. Why? Because you'd lose LBM (given you wouldn't be consuming sufficient protein). So, you'd be recompositioning yourself in an unfavourable way. In effect, you'd be trading muscle for fat, while not really having your weight change, so your bodyfat percentage would rise.

A 500 calorie surplus from pure protein would still lead to weight gain, but you definitely would not lose any muscle, and if you were working out at the same time, most of the weight would be LBM. A 500 calorie surplus from pure protein is probably not large enough to contribute to fat gain, but try something like a 1500 calorie surplus. And yes, that would be 875g of protein/day. Stupid example? Yes, but no more stupid than eating a diet consisting of only twinkies.

 

[Joe Stenson]

What did I ever say about cal consumption?????? No shit eating more than maintenence will make you fat. Eat 3000 cals of pure fat and see what you look like.
"doesn't matter what macronutrient they come from."

You're not thinking about this logically. Of course, eating 3000 calories from pure fat you would look like shit. Let me give you a more reasonable example:

200lb bodybuilder, maintenance calories = 3000

Give this guy 300g protein (1.5 x bodyweight so clearly adequate) = 1200 calories. Then give him 100g fat from some lousy fat like butter; this = 900 calories. That's all this guy is eating. Thus, he's in a 900 calorie deficit/day, or a 6300 calorie deficit/week. Not only will this guy not gain fat, he will actually LOSE fat, and quite a decent amount at that.

Point being, quit using retarded examples. The statement you made was "bad fat will make you fat". This is false, and I just gave an example to prove it. Of course, eating 500g of fat every day is a bad idea; no one ever suggested that though.

And to both you and will b huge, the example diets you have provided are fine. However it would be a lot better if you presented them as "here is something that I have found to work for me" or "here is an example of how one could approach fat loss". Don't make absolute statements like "you have to do this" or "bad fat will lead to fat gain". I can guarantee you don't HAVE to follow that diet will b huge laid out to get ripped. You can, and I'm sure it will work, but you don't HAVE to.

 

[borg4902]

"You said that if someone is eating 3000 cals---it doesnt matter if its 6 meals or whatever----3000 cals is 3000 cals........"

He used that example because you said 3000 cals is 3000 cals retard. And why are you still talking about surplus cals that was never an issue for anyone in this thread. You are just trying to change the subject. Diet and just eat 3 meals a day and see how far you get ok. Let me know how long you last.

 

[Joe Stenson]

"You said that if someone is eating 3000 cals---it doesnt matter if its 6 meals or whatever----3000 cals is 3000 cals........"

He used that example because you said 3000 cals is 3000 cals retard. And why are you still talking about surplus cals that was never an issue for anyone in this thread. You are just trying to change the subject. Diet and just eat 3 meals a day and see how far you get ok. Let me know how long you last.

That was in reference to metabolism, "retard". 3000 cals in 3 meals is the same as 3000 cals in 6 meals. I figured it was a given that we were talking about eating the same foods in these meals...guess not.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Someone presents a different viewpoint and insults come out. Read my last post. I said specifically the diet will b huge gave is fine. It's just the way he posted it that's WAY too definitive, like "THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO"; obviously this is not the case. If you're under the impression that there is only one method to diet for a contest, then I feel for you.

 

[borg4902]

Diet and just eat 3 meals a day and see how far you get ok. Let me know how long you last.

There is nothing more I need to say here^^^^^^^^^^^^^