Cutting after cycle w/out losing gains....rookie need help

[wannagetcut]

Hey guys thanks for looking at this post. I just got off a sustanon and sten(weak) cycle last week and I need to shred about 5 lbs of fat during the next week for a vacation. I don't want to lose any muscle. This is my diet and exercise which I started yesterday. Very low carbs(oatmeal and oj for breakfast), and about 290 grams of protein throughout the day. I did 25 minutes of cardio at 1pm and a few sets of chest and abs. Yesterday I bought some glutamine to add to my diet(20 grams/day) because I heard it help you keep some of the gains. I'm drinking about 2 1/2 gallons of water
and hydroxycut. When is the best time to do cardio and please critique my diet. Thanks in advance!!

 

[serge]

best time to do cardio is in the morning before you eat, your glycogen levels are very low at that time so you will go directly into the fat buring mode. you need to run some clomids and arimidex to start up your hpta, dieting drug free right after your cylce will end in disaster.

anyhow, glutamine is good, might want to throw in some creatine too

 

[serge]

might want to check out this site

http://www.voicenet.com/~petrizzi/fitness/ckdcalc.html

 

[wannagetcut]

Thanks for the help. Any other info is always helpful

 

[Yellowbomber]

don't dietr after cycle, you'll loose all, but if you want use Cytadren, will prevent total catabolism

 

[Mike80]

how about low dosage anavar or primo, like someone would do a bridge, maybe clenbuterol, and lots of cardio, and a solid diet.

 

[serge]

can take one dose of d-boll in the morning only, that would preserve the gains, while not interfering with hpta recovery

 

[Andy13]

don't dietr after cycle, you'll loose all, but if you want use Cytadren, will prevent total catabolism

The reason for loss of mass after a cycle is NOT a result of cortisol..

And here's a little information for you guys who do cardio in the morning at a low intensity. This is from my old Biochemistry textbook by Dr Stryer from Stanford University...


"Running of a marathon requires a different selection of fuels (compared to a 100m sprint). The total body glycogen stores (103mol ATP at best) are insufficient to provide the 150 mol ATP needed for this grueling 2hr event. ATP from generation from fatty acids is essential However, a marathon would take about six hours to complete if all the ATP came from fatty acid oxidation, which is much slower than glycogen oxidation. Elite runners consume about equal amounts of glycogen and fatty acids during a marathon to achieve a mean velocity of 5.5m/s..."

BTW, marathon runners run at about 90% of their maximum heart rate.

The take home message here is that the SLOW cardio in the AM really doesn't offer anymore fat loss than cardio any other time... Also, it is true that more body fat by % comes from fat when you are at a lower intensity, but you will burn more calories AND MORE FAT at a higher intensity although slightly more of those calories will come from glycogen..

Andy

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I would not start dieting down after a cycle because your body has to adjust to the new mass that you have put on. Try some Anavar at 20mg/Day as a bridge or Clen may help as well as it has anti-catabolic affects.

M18

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Oh Ya, there is always DNP

M18

 

[Andy13]

But don't start cutting until you have regained your natural T.

 

[wannagetcut]

Thanks for all your reply guys. All this info. is great. It looks like it's not a good idea to cut up right now. Thanks. Peace

 

[JayisCrazy]

What is the best drug to bridge with. Or what is least likely to affect your natural T levels?
Like, could you do a heavy test cycle and while you are taking your Clomid at the end do say very low Primo to keep all gains while getting your natural T back (taking Clomid).

Jay

 

[gurupimp6969]

definately cut out the hydroxycut. No matter how much you believe it will turn your fat into muscle that is bullshit trust me I used and all it did was drop weight and muscle. toned me a little bit but not for the loss of muscle just stick to strict cardio and light weights. Drink nothing but water and protein cut out all carbs to drop 5 in a week.

 

[wannagetcut]

Thanks. I have actually seen some muscle loss taking this hydroxycut. So stick with high protein and little carbs then. Thanks

 

[Andy13]

Why low carbs? Carbs are anti-catabolic. Plus, your body will oxidize fatty acids MUCH more efficiently if your cells have ample pyruvate (from glucose oxidation in glycolosis).

Andy

 

[TxLonghorn]

Why low carbs? Carbs are anti-catabolic. Plus, your body will oxidize fatty acids MUCH more efficiently if your cells have ample pyruvate (from glucose oxidation in glycolosis).

Andy

Yes, carbs are anti-catabolic. They are also lipogenic. Kinda defeats the purpose of cutting if you are adding fat. If you have a calorie deficit, carbs only exacerbate the problem of holding onto muscle tissue.

 

[Andy13]

Yes, carbs are anti-catabolic. They are also lipogenic. Kinda defeats the purpose of cutting if you are adding fat. If you have a calorie deficit, carbs only exacerbate the problem of holding onto muscle tissue.

Can you elaborate on that? You have to realize that when you are at a caloric defecent, your muscle glycogen stores are probably low all the time.. So eating a carb meal is not likely to cause fatty acid synthesis.

When muscle glycogen stores are low, and the cell is "hungry" for nutrients for ATP.. You can bet those glucose molecules will be diverted into muscle cells....

I'm against low carb dieting....

 

[Jack Burton]

Bump

 

[gurupimp6969]

true don't eat the sugar carbs cut them out completly and stick to the complex carbs, pasta, potatoes, rice, etc because these carbs will give you your fatty acids otherwise add some fish body oils or flax seeds to your diet.

 

[wannagetcut]

Thanks for all the replies. I actually already lost 3 lbs in the last 4 days. I've been doing low carbs and high protein. I think the key is not to completely eliminate carbs, just be moderate about them. Thanks

 

[Cubanito17]

did you do any cardio? I need to lose 5 pounds of pure fat,I'd opt to do it slowly so I dont lose muscle.