cut cycle

[dimi3]

i was looking at this cut cycle.

clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off (10 weeks)
deca 200mg per week for 10 weeks)
eq 100mg per week for 10 weeks
winny 50 EOD for the last 6 weeks
prop 10mg per week for 10 weeks?


any suggestions or comments? and what should i do after the 10 weeks?
i was thinking at least 8 weeks staying clean and keeping to my diet and
training for the most part, but is there anything else i should do to compliment this?

 

[Mike P.T.]

Yes..... More research.

 

[dimi3]

care to offer some insight?

 

[John G]

Dimi - what are your stats(Height/weight/bf%). What is your cycle history?

 

[dimi3]

I'm 5'9 186lbs right now with about 19% BF, and this will be my first cycle.
right now, aside from a good diet and regular cardio + weights and t3 (on my 4th week and cutting down from 37.5mg to 25mg and next week I'll cut that down to 12.5mg to finish this part off) and ephedrine

I have clen waiting on the side with deca, EQ, and prop. my current source and trainer so far is contradicting all my research that i have done up to now and hence why i'm getting a 2nd opinion.

my goal is to drop the BF to about 12% and get lean

 

[monkey arms]

I don't think I would start a cycle of any kind at 19% body fat. I'd try to get down to 12% before doing anything. If you can do this naturally... you've shown the dedication, knowlege, and consistency it takes to get the most form you cycle. At any rate.....I know you will use these regardless of my opinion: I'd bump the EQ to 600mgs a week the prop to 100 mgs EOD. The winny to 50mg's a day and (I don't have any experience with DECA) Run the prop and winny 2 weeks past last EQ injection and start PCT 2 days later.......prop and winny are painful as hell especially ed injections. Good luck!

 

[dimi3]

Would you recommend an easier cycle than that to start? and I don't start picking myself regardless. I want to make sure that I won't overkill my first true cycle

 

[tboy72]

prop 10 mg's or mls a week for first 10 weeks?

 

[monkey arms]

All i meant was if you already have the gear you will probably use it...right?
Prop is not a good first cycle choice because of the # of injections. For some it takes some getting use to and it is quite painful for some.

Test Eth /Cyp 400mg per week 1-10
Winny 50 mgs/Day week 5-10.

This will be a great 1st cycle.

You could also just do Test. Like I said I don't know much about DECA but I'm sure you'll get good results from it as well.

 

[griznuts2004]

Me myself would run prop 100mg EOD and winny 50ed. This is a mild fiest cycle. I would have nolvadex on hand and clomid for pct. If you are insistant upon using deca, I would say 300mg/wk.

 

[dimi3]

so with the PCT running clomid/novadex what do you recommend?

 

[theoak01]

deca isnt ideal to cut on in my opinion,you can store fat in the muscle while using deca,atleast thats what some believe.

for you however I would wait and diet naturally for now,but if thats not a option for you go with what monkey arms suggested as thats a solid cycle

and clomid for pct

 

[dimi3]

I guess I could put the stuff away for at least 2 more months before going hard into a cut cycle, kind of sucks cause i wanted to be ripped for the summer ;-\

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I guess I could put the stuff away for at least 2 more months before going hard into a cut cycle, kind of sucks cause i wanted to be ripped for the summer ;-\

I think that would be best..Spend more time on your diet and training..Honestly you dont want to run a cutter for your first cycle it would be better to go for a mass cycle..In your proposed first cycle i think you're running to many compounds..definitely do some more research but a first cycle should include test!!

 

[dimi3]

alrighty then, looks like the vials are going to be collecting a bit of dust for the time being. on a last note, how does one keep all the gains from the cycles? or is that what the PCT is all about?

 

[wnt2bBeast]

alrighty then, looks like the vials are going to be collecting a bit of dust for the time being. on a last note, how does one keep all the gains from the cycles? or is that what the PCT is all about?

Yes PCT is about getting your natural test levels back up as quickly as possible in order to hold on to your gains..

 

[solidspine]

How much clen are you going to take per day?

I usually find 21 days on and 7 off very effective, with lots and lots of cardio.

 

[griznuts2004]

I would hit the clen right now myself if I were you... I do the normal 2 on 2 off... Works for me. As for pct, yes, clomid is a must. I am going to take hcg midway through my cycle this time for the first time. You take the clomid after the half-life of the longest lasting compound you used is over with. There is a schedule to stick to and you can find it if you go do a search on clomid. Hope this helps!

 

[rpol]

The PCT sticky at the top of this page will give you good guidelines,

 

[RADAR]

[ kind of sucks cause i wanted to be ripped for the summer ;-\[/QUOTE]


Diet determines that not gear.

RADAR

 

[dimi3]

How much clen are you going to take per day?

I usually find 21 days on and 7 off very effective, with lots and lots of cardio.

at the moment, none at all. I'm just using t3 (cytomel) and ephedrine to which i'm starting to taper off. currently i'm on week 4 and taking 25mg per day (morning before breakfast) and on week 5 I'm dropping that amount down to 12.5mg per day

I was looking at the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for clen max 4 or 5 per day and during the 2 weeks off, I was going to be looking at the ECA stack for the most part.

I've been doing basic cardio 7x per week for 60-65 minutes per day averaging 135-140 BPS (i'm 33). weights 4x per week with very little to no rest between sets (well at least to sip a bit of water or change the weight).

 

[wnt2bBeast]

at the moment, none at all. I'm just using t3 (cytomel) and ephedrine to which i'm starting to taper off. currently i'm on week 4 and taking 25mg per day (morning before breakfast) and on week 5 I'm dropping that amount down to 12.5mg per day

I was looking at the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for clen max 4 or 5 per day and during the 2 weeks off, I was going to be looking at the ECA stack for the most part.

I've been doing basic cardio 7x per week for 60-65 minutes per day averaging 135-140 BPS (i'm 33). weights 4x per week with very little to no rest between sets (well at least to sip a bit of water or change the weight).

Between the T3 and the cardio you should be dropping weight (maybe some muscle too )..Make sure your diet is in check as that is key to dropping BF..

 

[dimi3]

so far after plateauing at 194lbs for about a month and being on t3 for a month now, i've only lost 8lbs to date. below is my diet.

sample diet:

1/3 cup of dry oats boiled in 2/3 cups of water with cinnamon
8 raw egg whites
1 multi vitamin/mineral

ISO whey protein shake mixed in 8 ounces of water and glutamine mixed in 4 ounces of water after training

4 oz extra lean hamburger grilled, 8oz grilled chicken, and 1/2 cup of streamed rice

ISO whey protein shake mixed in 8 ounces of water and 1 can tuna

8oz grilled haddock fish and 1 cup streamed frz veggies (green beans, onions, and brocolli)

ISO whey protein shake mixed in 8 ounces of water and 1 can tuna

bedtime 8 raw egg whites

I comsume on average 4-5 liters of water daily

 

[wnt2bBeast]

so far after plateauing at 194lbs for about a month and being on t3 for a month now, i've only lost 8lbs to date. below is my diet.

sample diet:

1/3 cup of dry oats boiled in 2/3 cups of water with cinnamon
8 raw egg whites
1 multi vitamin/mineral

ISO whey protein shake mixed in 8 ounces of water and glutamine mixed in 4 ounces of water after training

4 oz extra lean hamburger grilled, 8oz grilled chicken, and 1/2 cup of streamed rice

ISO whey protein shake mixed in 8 ounces of water and 1 can tuna

8oz grilled haddock fish and 1 cup streamed frz veggies (green beans, onions, and brocolli)

ISO whey protein shake mixed in 8 ounces of water and 1 can tuna

bedtime 8 raw egg whites

I comsume on average 4-5 liters of water daily

You have good protein sources..Kinda low on the carbs for me (looks like about 50g)..Just a quick suggestion i would consume carbs directly after your workout..Also i dont see any EFA's?? Best thing would be to post this in the diet section youll get better feedback there..

 

[John G]

Whats up Dimi, like Radar Mentioned Diet is really going to determine if your ripped or not for summer. You still have some time to get that bf% down. That results will depend on how determined and how important your goal is. I wouldn't use the clen for now but save it for when you come off your cycle. Your "Supplements" Will that you mentioned will help you get ripped faster then if you weren't on anything at all.

As for your stack:
100mg prop Eod 1 - 10
300mg Deca Week 1-10
300 - 400mg EQ week 1 - 10

Reason why I recommended the above is because your going to look to really maintain muscle, I would take some Arimidex to keep off any bloat you might get from that stack.

For your recovery you can use the clen to help you a bit, and harden up some more. As far as a diet goes Follow Mr.X CKD diet in the diet discussion board, It will most certaintly be very very gruelling especially if your new to no carb diets but you will get excellent results. You can find some great diet info on www.mmsfitness.com, great website courtesy of Mr.X.

Good Luck keep us posted on your results.

 

[dimi3]

i got my bf% today and it was 18.48%, going to try to get it down to at least 14%....
i swear i could feel the sweat pooring down my forehead just thinking about it

 

[trialbypinoy]

i like eq more as a bulker bcuz it makes me extremely hungry.

 

[thundercross]

Too little of everything, IMO.

Suggestion:
Deca 200-400mg week 1-10
EQ 200-400mg week 1-10
Prop 250-500mg week 1-8
Clen 3 days on, 1 day off, between 4 to 12 tabs a day
(each tab has 0.02mg)

 

[RADAR]

Too little of everything, IMO.

Suggestion:
Deca 200-400mg week 1-10
EQ 200-400mg week 1-10
Prop 250-500mg week 1-8
Clen 3 days on, 1 day off, between 4 to 12 tabs a day
(each tab has 0.02mg)

No need replying the

dude has been banned some time now!

RADAR