Critique this cycle

[on_a_mission2day]

Not that I intend on going on this cycle immediately, but I was wondering if the cycle below is ok for someone considering their first cycle. Intend on doing it sometime next year (maybe march) and wana make sure I have all the necessary products well before hand (also to take advantage of BOGO sale)

1-6 Helladrol: 50/75/75/75/75/75mg (with food)
1-6 Katanadrol 200/250/250/300/300/300mg (with food)
1-6 N2 slin: 3 caps a day (30 mins before food)
1-6 N2 guard (one serving a day with food)

PCT:
7-10 Post cycle/unleashed (2 servings a day of each)
6-10 HC Generate (as recommended)


Obviously fish oil weeks 1-10 (3 caps a day). Will I require DAA? Also is hella + kata good for first time or epi + kata?

 

[gymjunkie09]

run the hcgenerate on cycle the last 4 weeks. split your n2guard dose up throughout the day and get some forma for your pct and you're good to go

 

[on_a_mission2day]

run the hcgenerate on cycle the last 4 weeks. split your n2guard dose up throughout the day and get some forma for your pct and you're good to go

So how does this look:

1-6 Helladrol: 50/75/75/75/75/75mg (with food)
1-6 Katanadrol 200/250/250/300/300/300mg (with food)
1-6 N2 slin: 3 caps a day (30 mins before food)
1-6 N2 guard (one serving spread throughout the day with food)
4-6 HC Generate (as recommended)

PCT:
7-10 Post cycle/Unleashed (2 servings a day of each)
6-10 HC Generate (as recommended)
Forma

So the above will be fine?

Also wats better Epi + kata or hella + kata??

And does calorie intake have to be at maintainence or below/above? I.e. by how much 20-30%?

 

[on_a_mission2day]

HC generate from weeks 3-10 sorry!

 

[azntomahawk]

Should be good to go. The Epi/Hella would really depend on you. Hella seems to be more people's 1st time cycle. I personally like both.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Thanks for the info bro

Just one more thing...

N2 slin "on" or "off" cycle? Is the current structure ok?

And what about calorie intake and macros if looking to make lean gains?

I was thinking of keeping it 20% over maintanience and a 40/30/30 ratio

Should be good to go. The Epi/Hella would really depend on you. Hella seems to be more people's 1st time cycle. I personally like both.

 

[gymrat827]

use the layout in post #3

 

[NOS2.0]

caloric intake 30% above maintenance imo. 45/35/20.
20% would be alright too, but I think 30 would be better. especially with the n2slin, you dont have to worry too much about fat gains. cardio 2-3 times a week should really help eliminate any fat gains anyways. plus you could run a thermo afterwards if youd like.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

caloric intake 30% above maintenance imo. 45/35/20.
20% would be alright too, but I think 30 would be better. especially with the n2slin, you dont have to worry too much about fat gains. cardio 2-3 times a week should really help eliminate any fat gains anyways. plus you could run a thermo afterwards if youd like.

Cheers bro....think i'm all set. Now I can start slowly buying the products whenever good deals come along! ha ha ha...

Given the intended diet and decent workouts, what are the likely gains from the above stack?? Some people say a decent drop in bf% but wat range are we looking at? And im guessing this stack wont have much of a bulking effect would it?

Thanks once again

 

[NOS2.0]

I think you will gain some decent lean mass. drop a couple bf% depending on your current %. add a few lbs of solid muscle. and vascularity will increase.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

I think you will gain some decent lean mass. drop a couple bf% depending on your current %. add a few lbs of solid muscle. and vascularity will increase.

I dont mind the sudden weight loss...but i hope it doesnt become too obvious that im "on" something by putting on too much mass!

Although I know beast is much more potent, I heard people having to down their dose because people would easily figure u were on something because of the sudden substantial gains

Would that also be the case with this stack? I'm a bit paranoid! Like would it be too apparent?

 

[gymjunkie09]

I dont mind the sudden weight loss...but i hope it doesnt become too obvious that im "on" something by putting on too much mass!

Although I know beast is much more potent, I heard people having to down their dose because people would easily figure u were on something because of the sudden substantial gains

Would that also be the case with this stack? I'm a bit paranoid! Like would it be too apparent?

you're good to go, if you start to put on too much size you can just drop your calorie intake....diet and training is what it really comes down to anyway

 

[NOS2.0]

^^^^^times two.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

you're good to go, if you start to put on too much size you can just drop your calorie intake....diet and training is what it really comes down to anyway

I figure starting 30% above maintainence like NOS said then if I gain too quick i'll lower it to 15-20%...

Should be a safe bet. I was speaking to a friend that he want on this same stack and said he gained noticeable amount of muscle and got ripped but wasnt extremely obvious that he was on something. He said he got away by just using the whole "on a strict diet/workout routine"...

So that my concerns are put to rest!


on a side note is it good to split all dosages throughout the day for ALL supplements? Is taking the hella and kata together ok?

 

[NOS2.0]

I would spread everything. That way you dont put excess stress on your body at one time. Could spike BP and other things.

 

[gymjunkie09]

I would spread everything. That way you dont put excess stress on your body at one time. Could spike BP and other things.

this ^^^^...feel free to email me anytime with questions bro, my email add is in my sig

 

[IncredibleHoss]

Great thread!! I'm researching cycle 2 got nxt yr

 

[on_a_mission2day]

I just ordered all the goodies two days ago cause mr supps had 30% off. Pissed that i missed out on bogo sale. Anyway i also took advantage of the needto sale with 25% off. The whole cycle plus pct and need to whey 5lb protein delivered internationally cost 570 bucks. Not bad as without discounts it would have cost me over 750 bucks...now just to finish off my mass building bass by at least end of jan. Might start the cycle feb

Good thread for people who need good info on this stack thx to nos and gymjunkie!!

 

[gymjunkie09]

I just ordered all the goodies two days ago cause mr supps had 30% off. Pissed that i missed out on bogo sale. Anyway i also took advantage of the needto sale with 25% off. The whole cycle plus pct and need to whey 5lb protein delivered internationally cost 570 bucks. Not bad as without discounts it would have cost me over 750 bucks...now just to finish off my mass building bass by at least end of jan. Might start the cycle feb

Good thread for people who need good info on this stack thx to nos and gymjunkie!!

anytime bro, that's why I'm here

 

[on_a_mission2day]

anytime bro, that's why I'm here

Ok....time to finally start this thread again. Everyone will be pleased to know that I'm starting this as of next week monday.

Training is going fine and diet is in check. I just need some assistance as to how to split up the dosages. I.e. time of day and whether I should take it before/after meals or in between meals etc.

Once I have that sorted, this baby is ready to go. I wont have a very detailed log (due to work and time restrictions) but I will definately keep u guys posted and hopefully put up before and afters.

I know alot of people are interested in this stack so this thread could become a nice "all information in one" thread!

So guys help me with the dosages and we'll get this up and running!

Cheers!

 

[elittee]

sounds like your liver is going to be screaming "stop killllling me puhlease!"

 

[NOS2.0]

sounds like your liver is going to be screaming "stop killllling me puhlease!"

Nah, he'll be perfectly fine with what he's got going on here.
Enough support, and not super toxic substances

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Nah, he'll be perfectly fine with what he's got going on here.
Enough support, and not super toxic substances

Ok now im stressing out. I thought these werent too powerful anyway?

Also are my dosages in post number 3 fine?

What the chances i'll be f**king my liver?

 

[NOS2.0]

Bro, you will be fine with that.
Katana has virtually no effect on liver values, and Helladrol is light to start with plus you have relatively low doses of it.
I might be concerned if you were running 200mg Hella, but 75mg is fine.
And N2Guard will basically neutralize any sides anyways.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Bro, you will be fine with that.
Katana has virtually no effect on liver values, and Helladrol is light to start with plus you have relatively low doses of it.
I might be concerned if you were running 200mg Hella, but 75mg is fine.
And N2Guard will basically neutralize any sides anyways.

And are my timing of dosages fine as stipulated in post number 3??

 

[NOS2.0]

Yeah, all the timing looks legit.
You can play around with the Hella, some people need to take it with food, some like it better on an empty stomach. You can find what works best for you.
Its not going to make or break your cycle. A difference of maybe a pound or two. Just do what works for you and you will be very happy. It takes alot of stress of aswell, not having to worry about exact timing and stuff. If your really worried about it, put reminders in your phone. Thats what I do sometimes. Carry a little pill container in my pocket and have my phone on vibrate. No worries though. It will be great!

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Hella/Katanadrol 6 week Log

I've decided to hold off for a week until someone can help me tweak my diet plan below.

I need urgent help. I eat the same stuff everyday so it should be easy for you to tweak my plan. I aim to eat 3000 calories split into 45/35/20. I have listed approximate values for all meals below:

Meal 1 6.30am (after fasted cardio) - Lean protein shake with skim milk Protein: 34 g Carbs 24 g Fats 8 g Approx 300 calories

Meal 2 7.30 - 2 Whole eggs and 3 egg whites with 2/3 cup oatmeal microwaved Protein ?? Carbs?? Fats?? Calories??

Meal 3 10-10.30a.m - Can of Tuna and a medium Banana Protein 20g Carbs 26g Fats 10g Calories???

Meal 4 1pm - Chicken breast and wholemeal tortilla (dont have brown rice that is why) Protein 35 Carb 20g Fat ?? Calories Approx 400?

Snack: - handful of almonds + cottage cheese Protein?? Carb?? Fat?? Calories??

Meal 5 6-6.30pm (post workout) : Big Blast protein shake with skim milk Protein 60g Carbs 50g Fat 5 g Approx 500-550 calories

Meal 6 9pm - Chicken breast + 1 sweet potato + Salad Protein 35g Carb ?? Fats?? Calories??



As u can see my difficulty is with the nutritional values. Also im trying to do a lean bulk while losing some fat (hence the katanadrol). Weights 4 times a week and fasted cardio at least 3-4 times as well.

I cant eat beef, flaxseed oil, brown rice, brocolli etc due to it not being available where i live. Supplements are Hella, Katana, n2 guard, n2 slin, hc generate plus fish oil, creatine and bcaa.

I would appreciate ur help guys. The sooner we sort this out the sooner I can hit the log. I would appreciate also if u could provide the nutritional breakdowns so I can post them in my log...

thanks guys

 

[on_a_mission2day]

So im officially into week 2 of the cycle so far. I have done exactly what has been on this "log" in terms of diet, supplements and dosages. I have been training on a 5 day split with 3 days of fasted cardio.

First a foremost the pumps on these supps are stupendous. The strength gain is immediately noticeable and recovery time is mind blowing. I must say however I did have my first week 2 workout yesterday when I did arms and Im feeling it today. Increased by 5 pounds on all lifts compared to last week.

Today is shoulder day and i'll keep people posted. If there are any questions please comment.

Also for those interested i've started my week 2 dose of 75mg hella and 250mg Kata and I can say I have not experienced any sides whatsoever. I did feel a slight one of the days but that was because I didnt drink enough water that day. As far as the katanadrol goes, my word! I'm soaked in sweat throughout the day.

Also I'm up 4 pounds already. Havent done a full body fat measure yet but im guessing its the extra carbs and water (since im taking creatine too).

 

[NOS2.0]

Nice!
Keep up the great work bro.
It is definitely worth it!!

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Ok so just a mid week update (week 2)

The muscle hardness is out of this world. I've never felt as hard as this. Still no sides, suppression etc. Headaches are non existent.

I keep increasing in weight. Noticeable gains already on my arms and shoulders. Pecs and legs still need some work but i can notice a difference already.

The key thing I have noticed in terms of performance is the ability to squeeze out the extra 2-3 reps and being able to focus. Post workout recovery is amazing. Love the pumps im getting, wish my body stayed that big even well after the workouts! ha ha...

Can I change the title of this thread so it reads "hella/kata 6week log"?? Or is that not possible?

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Bro, you will be fine with that.
Katana has virtually no effect on liver values, and Helladrol is light to start with plus you have relatively low doses of it.
I might be concerned if you were running 200mg Hella, but 75mg is fine.
And N2Guard will basically neutralize any sides anyways.

Bro quick question. So im into the start of week three with the following dosages:

Kata: 250mg
Hella: 75mg

I was wondering if from next week I can up my dosage a bit....i was thinking week 4, 5 and 6 i could do 300mg Kata and 100mg Hella.

So far no sides at all that I know of....feeling good but I feel like the last three weeks I really wana push my self to new grounds...

Lemme know what u think...

 

[NOS2.0]

Bro quick question. So im into the start of week three with the following dosages:

Kata: 250mg
Hella: 75mg

I was wondering if from next week I can up my dosage a bit....i was thinking week 4, 5 and 6 i could do 300mg Kata and 100mg Hella.

So far no sides at all that I know of....feeling good but I feel like the last three weeks I really wana push my self to new grounds...

Lemme know what u think...

Definitely. I think you will be very pleased with those doses!

Might want to also grab some cranberry juice. Easy way to get fluids, and its a good antioxidant. Good quality cranberry juice though, no cocktails full of sugar.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Definitely. I think you will be very pleased with those doses!

Might want to also grab some cranberry juice. Easy way to get fluids, and its a good antioxidant. Good quality cranberry juice though, no cocktails full of sugar.

So i've bumped by dosage up start of week 4. 100mg Hella and 300mg Katana...

Very slight headache but nothing serious. Maybe its just in my head (no pun intended).

Strength overall has increased significantly since the start of this cycle. Im lifting alot more and im getting defined ....i must say I havent put on massive size but that is not what I wanted anyway (plus hella isnt supposed to be like beastdrol). Instead im cutting up, hardening up and getting stronger.

As of start of this week (starting wk4) im up about 5 pounds overall. Need to do a body fat measurement to see how much of that was muscle.

Half way through my oral cycle baby! Gonna really pump it these last 3 weeks before PCT.

 

[NOS2.0]

Sounds great bro!
And sorry, I forgot, are you using N2Guard?
It should keep BP low enough to keep headaches away.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Sounds great bro!
And sorry, I forgot, are you using N2Guard?
It should keep BP low enough to keep headaches away.

Yes i've been using n2guard throughout my cycle. Could feel alot of pressure around my neck area and the slight headache in general yesterday. I pushed myself pretty hard in the gym on my shoulder routine so dunno whether that might have something to do with it?

But im fine today. Headaches seem to be gone but my whole body is sore from the rampage I give it in the gym ....todays my day off and I think my body definately needs the time to recover. 2 morro chest day (which is a weak part of my body) so gotta be ready for that!

 

[rich_89]

OP, post up your stats.

Age
Height
Weight
BF%
Diet
Training regimen.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

OP, post up your stats.

Age
Height
Weight
BF%
Diet
Training regimen.

age 25
height 6 feet
weight 88kg (current)
bf 20% (previous....current unknown)

Diet was listed earlier in this thread (i think page 3)

Training regime is basically a 4/5 day body split.

Monday - Arms (bi's and tri's)
Tuesday - Shoulders
Wednesday - Rest
Thursday - Chest
Friday - Back
Saturday - Legs
Sunday - Rest

I try and do cardio in the a.m. fasted 3 times a week but I must admit i havent stuck to it that well!

 

[rich_89]

So refreshing seeing a weight in kg lol, i usually convert to lb's to be in line with our US bros haha.

So hows this cycle going? If you get headaches, throw in a morning dose of taurine. 500mg was enough for me.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

So refreshing seeing a weight in kg lol, i usually convert to lb's to be in line with our US bros haha.

So hows this cycle going? If you get headaches, throw in a morning dose of taurine. 500mg was enough for me.

The cycle has been going well so far in terms of strength, endurance and lean muscle gains.

I've also shreded up a far bit upper and lower body (i.e. leaned out)

What I am upset about tho is my mid region....i'd like to get rid of some fat from there. I throw in a ab session a week usually although I know that doesnt really get rid of "fat"...

just thinking what I could do to lower fat around my mid region and tighten up a bit??? Any suggestions. You can see my diet on page 3 i think...

 

[NOS2.0]

Stick to the cardio and the mid region will tighten up. Sorry to say, but that is the hardest fat to get rid of, and cardio is the only thing that will work.
the head ache was probably a major pump from your workout. Straining your traps could pull on your neck and cause bad head aches. Ive had that too. it sucks.
Good luck witht the rest of your cycle. keep us posted!

 

[rich_89]

Its horrible. I've got a '4 pack' because of mid body fat. It's a nightmare to get rid of. Only way is HIIT. Even better when on anabolic steroids, as they stop you dumping muscle.

But they usually leave me unable to do cardio. . .

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Its horrible. I've got a '4 pack' because of mid body fat. It's a nightmare to get rid of. Only way is HIIT. Even better when on anabolic steroids, as they stop you dumping muscle.

But they usually leave me unable to do cardio. . .

Yea it does suck...i only have a 2 pack (top) of abs!!! LOL...my mid abs are shaping up but its my fking lower abs and love handles that I wana get rid of.

Im gonna do HITT for 20-30 mins everyday in the morning now while on cycle. Your right though about not wanting to do cardio while on cycle....lol...i feel the same!

@ nos : thx bro u cleared some stuff up. I had a feeling it was my massive trap workout cause I never felt that strain and headache before. So it makes sense thanks.

Guess I better get some crazy cadio in for the last 3 weeks while on cycle and then hopefully carry that over during PCT!

Btw today its chest day (had my rest day early this week i.e. yesterday due to those headaches) but im fully recovered and ready to pump some iron again...

 

[gymjunkie09]

Yea it does suck...i only have a 2 pack (top) of abs!!! LOL...my mid abs are shaping up but its my fking lower abs and love handles that I wana get rid of.

Im gonna do HITT for 20-30 mins everyday in the morning now while on cycle. Your right though about not wanting to do cardio while on cycle....lol...i feel the same!

@ nos : thx bro u cleared some stuff up. I had a feeling it was my massive trap workout cause I never felt that strain and headache before. So it makes sense thanks.

Guess I better get some crazy cadio in for the last 3 weeks while on cycle and then hopefully carry that over during PCT!

Btw today its chest day (had my rest day early this week i.e. yesterday due to those headaches) but im fully recovered and ready to pump some iron again...

try incline wind sprints.....they will slice u up nice, not for 30min tho 10-15 pwo is good

 

[rich_89]

I do hanging leg raises, they tear your core up like anything. But it doesnt burn the fat away lol. There is no way around needing cardio lol.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

So thought i'd give an update.

Into the Start of week 5 and it feels like its been a long journey so far. gains are awesome, super vascular and body is ripping. There is great definition all around (except lower abs as pointed out in my earlier posts).

Definately the sweet spot of this cycle is 100mg hella and 300 mg katana. Wish I moved up to that dosage earlier!

I've been hearing great things about the post cycle/unleashed combo with forma. Cant wait to use them.

Will I still be making gains during my PCT or will it just maintain what I have already achieved?

And also would for my last week (which is next week) 125mg hella and 350mg katana be too much???

I dont want this cycle to end!!! =(

 

[on_a_mission2day]

btw.....ALL my pants are definately looser!!!!

 

[NOS2.0]

125 and 350 might be pushing it. But for only one week, i'd go for it. If its too much, just come back down, that simple.
If you can keep all the gains you made on cycle, I think that would be awesome. To be totally honest, dont expect to keep gaining in PCT. But definitely keep yourself amped up! Don't get disappointed if you don't keep gaining, or you will lose your gains. If you do keep gaining, that excellent!
Keep your diet in check all through PCT, maybe even up your cals a little to feed you muscles what the chems were before.
Or grab some Anabeta to add into PCT.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

125 and 350 might be pushing it. But for only one week, i'd go for it. If its too much, just come back down, that simple.
If you can keep all the gains you made on cycle, I think that would be awesome. To be totally honest, dont expect to keep gaining in PCT. But definitely keep yourself amped up! Don't get disappointed if you don't keep gaining, or you will lose your gains. If you do keep gaining, that excellent!
Keep your diet in check all through PCT, maybe even up your cals a little to feed you muscles what the chems were before.
Or grab some Anabeta to add into PCT.

I dont think i'll amp it up to 125 x 350...rather be safe than sorry. I guess i'll make a decision end of this 5th week. Im going to keep my diet and training at a madman level throughout PCT to ensure I dont lose too much of my gains. Im just loving this cycle way to much! ha ha ha...

I went through some anger issues maybe in my 3rd or 4th week but nothing crazy, would just snap at my girl every now and then but it only lasted a few days. May have been when I uped my dosages! lol...overall im in a great mood (hoping PCT doesnt depress me!)

So for PCT i have forma (5 pumps twice a day), post cycle and unleased AND hcgenerate.

I have 2 weeks supply of anabeta left from my last natty cycle. Wondering whether I should use that in the first two weeks of my PCT or the last two weeks of my PCT???? Would it be ok considering im taking hcgenerate as well???

Thanks Nos I couldnt have done so well so far without u bro.

Much respect...

 

[NOS2.0]

Start the HCGenerate now.
Use Anabeta the last 2 weeks of PCT. Im not totally convinced that 2 weeks of Anabeta will do much, but it wouldnt hurt.

Your very welcome bro. Im happy that I could be of help to you!

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Start the HCGenerate now.
Use Anabeta the last 2 weeks of PCT. Im not totally convinced that 2 weeks of Anabeta will do much, but it wouldnt hurt.

Your very welcome bro. Im happy that I could be of help to you!

i've already been on Hcgenerate for the last 2 weeks and will continue throughout PCT too (got two bottles of it to ensure 4 week on cycle and 4 week pct).

And yes sucks I dont have more anabeta but i might as well finish wat i got =)

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Ok Update time!

So I have officially completed my "on" cycle phase. I am up 9lbs and am SIGNIFICANTLY leaner and harder. I will get the Bf% hopefully sometime this week (as my callipers are at my out of town house).

I have also officially started day 1 of PCT. Im on 2 servings each of unleashed and post cycle (one serving am, one serving pm). Im also on HCG and forma (5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm).

I have decided for the 4 weeks to apply the forma to my chest in the am and to the mid region and love handles on the pm. Thoughts on this?????

Its been a great on cycle journey and it almost brings a tear to my eye. But we need to remain focused through PCT to ensure gains remain as much as possible. Im gonna eat the same and workout the same.

Thanks to everyone for the help, and if there are any questions please do not hesistate to ask.

On a side note, how long must one wait to do a beast cycle after this kinda cycle?? (evil laughter!!) LOL

 

[NOS2.0]

Sounds great bro! Im glad your happy with the end result!
Not sure about the forma application... maybe gymjunkie has some input for that.
Remember, time 'on' + PCT = Time 'off'. So give your self at least 10 weeks natty.
Good luck through PCT! keep up the good work.

 

[on_a_mission2day]

Just a quick question for everyone out there.....can I increase my forma dosage to 10 pumps twice a day instead of 5 pumps twice a day? I wana increase it going into my 2nd week of PCT.

I intend on using forma only for four weeks so I thought 10 pumps am AND pm would give me a 30 day supply.

So far my strength through PCT is the same except i'd say I can feel a slight downturn in endurance....seem to get tired more quickly.

 

[NOS2.0]

Do 10am, 10pm for 2 weeks, 8am, 8pm for a week, 6am, 6pm for a week.
That should do ya.