Critique short cycle + PCT options

[AirWolf]

35, 6'2" 205, 10-12% bf...rookie looking to run a simple 4-6 week cycle and want some critique on my cycle & PCT regimen options. Have read a ton and would really like to keep it as short as possible.

Option 1:

Week 1-4: Test Prop 150mg EOD
Week 1-4: Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD (Is this necessary at this dosage?)
Week 5-6: PF Unleashed ED
Week 5-6: Other natural test booster ED (probably NOW Testojack)
Week 5-6: Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 5-6: Immune booster ED (probably NOW Immune Renew + Garlic)

Option 2:

Week 1-6: Test E 125mg 2x week
Week 1-6: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD (is this necessary at this dose)
Week 7-8: PF Unleashed ED
Week 7-8: Other natural test booster ED
Week 7-8: Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 7-8: Immune booster ED

Also - from reading Nelson Montana's posts - it sounds like I could actually run the Test E in the 4 week cycle instead of P without it making much of a difference - am I reading his advice correctly?

 

[Nelson Montana]

The P will reach optimum levels immediately, whereas it will take about a week for the enth. (Not a month as some people speculate). You can compensate for this by using an oral the first week.

I personally hate nolvadex and it has bad sides on some people so I'd avoid it. Others will recommend it.

Go with this combo. It not only works, the price is right. http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Test-boosting-PCT/Unleashed-Post-Cycle-Combo-p38.html

 

[stevesmi]

either option is a waste of time.

first off option 2 by the time the levels are reaching peak you are stopping it and then your pct is only 2 weeks and it takes the ester 5 weeks to even clear.

I know nelson disagrees but as someone who cycles there is no way you should run a long ester for only 6 weeks and pct for 2 weeks.

the first option would work but again 4 week cycle and 2 week pct won't work either. the prop will still take a couple weeks to clear your system.

I don't like your pct regardless

 

[Nelson Montana]

either option is a waste of time.

first off option 2 by the time the levels are reaching peak you are stopping it and then your pct is only 2 weeks and it takes the ester 5 weeks to even clear.

I know nelson disagrees but as someone who cycles there is no way you should run a long ester for only 6 weeks and pct for 2 weeks.

the first option would work but again 4 week cycle and 2 week pct won't work either. the prop will still take a couple weeks to clear your system.

I don't like your pct regardless

Most every top bodybuilders who competed back in the 60's and 70's would also disagree with this. Up until the late 90's (I know that's ancient history to many of you) a 6 week cycle was normal. Back in the 60's it was average for a PRO. Yes, dosages have gone up and up, but that doesn't mean 6 week cycles don't work. And the proof is all the guys who made amazing progress on it.

I understand that Steve cycles and I'm on HRT and he's probably done many more cycles that I've ever done, but in my pic, I competed after doing a cycle for....SIX WEEKS. And yes, it made a difference. I'm 59 years old.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ 6 weeks cycles are fine. using an oral or a short ester.

I do think short cycles are wonderful for newbs..

i'm sure those guys from the 60's and 70's were using lots of dbol for those short cycles.

the problem is if you use a long ester it will take weeks to clear your system, so a 6 week cycle is really 10 weeks anyway.. so if you run a 2 week pct you aren't even cycling.. that's just staying on. which is my point

a cycle should be a CYCLE. that means 10 weeks on, 10 weeks off. if the esters are clearing your system it counts as being on, even if the active metabolites are dropping away and low. the body still doesn't start to recover until its all out of your system..

I can't stand when people post threads saying "what do you think about my cycle" and they post up 12 weeks of being on and 4 weeks pct. might as well just forget about pct and just stay on

 

[AirWolf]

Thanks for the responses guys - completely appreciate the different views.

Nelson - do you think that combo is enough for PCT, no need for anything else? Do you recommend the aromasin during the cycle? Which oral would you recommend for week 1?

Stevesmi - If I used testp for 6 weeks, what sort of PCT would you recommend?

Does test e really take 4 weeks to clear your system?

 

[stevesmi]

Stevesmi - If I used testp for 6 weeks, what sort of PCT would you recommend?

T stack Rx 3 caps per day for 4 weeks is all you need for that, or you can do 2 caps per day for 45 days.. each bottle has 90 caps .. start taking it 2 weeks after last injection.. see this link for discounts http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...ck-rx-no-17-special-prices-codes-1224963.html

Does test e really take 4 weeks to clear your system?

absolutely.. the esters need time to clear out.. they aren't out of your system like magic the day after your injection. that's the whole point of using injectables because they stick around a while.. if you don't believe me then run bloodwork every week after your last injection and you will see a gradual drop in your T levels. it doesn't drop over a cliff, it slowly ticks away till its gone..

in bold.

 

[Nelson Montana]

^^^ 6 weeks cycles are fine. using an oral or a short ester.

I do think short cycles are wonderful for newbs..

i'm sure those guys from the 60's and 70's were using lots of dbol for those short cycles.

the problem is if you use a long ester it will take weeks to clear your system, so a 6 week cycle is really 10 weeks anyway.. so if you run a 2 week pct you aren't even cycling.. that's just staying on. which is my point

a cycle should be a CYCLE. that means 10 weeks on, 10 weeks off. if the esters are clearing your system it counts as being on, even if the active metabolites are dropping away and low. the body still doesn't start to recover until its all out of your system..

I can't stand when people post threads saying "what do you think about my cycle" and they post up 12 weeks of being on and 4 weeks pct. might as well just forget about pct and just stay on

That's exactly the point, but it's not a problem. Actually the half life wouldn't be quite that long -- more like 2 weeks. And yes, they used orals as I suggested.

You;re saying a cycle should be a CYCLE , but that's just your interpretation of it. What works, will work and shorter cycles are fine, not just for newbies. I am hardly a newbie! lol

I agree if people do 12 week cycles and go back on in a month, they're never really off and might as well just stay on.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks for the responses guys - completely appreciate the different views.

Nelson - do you think that combo is enough for PCT, no need for anything else? Do you recommend the aromasin during the cycle? Which oral would you recommend for week 1?

Stevesmi - If I used testp for 6 weeks, what sort of PCT would you recommend?

Does test e really take 4 weeks to clear your system?

I think UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE is the best PCT you can use. Test stack is good too. Go with whatever you can get at the best price. A little aromasin with test is always a good idea as is some N2GUARD. I think Steve would agree with that.

 

[stevesmi]

That's exactly the point, but it's not a problem. Actually the half life wouldn't be quite that long -- more like 2 weeks. And yes, they used orals as I suggested. .

big difference between half life and how long the ester is active in the system.. there is no way if you run a long estered AAS it will only be in your system 2 weeks after you stop.

 

[AirWolf]

So Nelson - would you think that running Test E for 4 weeks, then starting PCT after week 6 would be worthwhile? Or do you recommend running it for 6 weeks and starting PCT after week 8?

 

[RickRock13]

So Nelson - would you think that running Test E for 4 weeks, then starting PCT after week 6 would be worthwhile? Or do you recommend running it for 6 weeks and starting PCT after week 8?

With a long ester, 4 weeks is way too short. I personally think 6 weeks is too short too for long esters. It gives you only a week or two at peak concentration. If you want yo run a short cycle stick to short esters. It makes much more sense