Critique my Havoc cycle

[consistency]

Here is what I plan to do. Any suggestions/input would be greatly appreciated. I'm not looking for another debate on the merits of an oral-only cycle as I know at this point, it is not the best option. I realize this, but I believe that is the route I wish to pursue at this point in my life. Here is my plan:


Week 1 - 20mg Havoc
Week 2 - 30mg Havoc
Week 3 - 30mg Havoc
Week 4 - 40mg Havoc
Week 5 - 40mg Nolva + 10 caps 6-OXO Extreme
Week 6 - 30mg Nolva + 5 caps 6-OXO Extreme
Week 7 - 20mg Nolva + 5 caps 6-OXO Extreme
Week 8 - 10mg Nolva

Will be taking 2 Scoops/day of AI Cycle Support

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I just started Havoc/Cycle Support yesterday, thrown into the last few weeks of my PP Ultimate Lean Stack. I started 20mg the first day but I am bumping right to 30mg after talking to some guys on some other boards.

I would highly suggest Taurine, Cissus, and a stim like Lipoflame for your cycle. Back pumps and joint pain are very common, some people feel some lethargy, hence the Lipoflame.

What are your stats, age, height, weight, goals, diet, traning

-Legacy

 

[consistency]

Thanks for the input -- looking into those supplements.

 

[needtogetaas]

Here is what I plan to do. Any suggestions/input would be greatly appreciated. I'm not looking for another debate on the merits of an oral-only cycle as I know at this point, it is not the best option. I realize this, but I believe that is the route I wish to pursue at this point in my life. Here is my plan:


Week 1 - 20mg Havoc
Week 2 - 30mg Havoc
Week 3 - 30mg Havoc
Week 4 - 40mg Havoc
Week 5 - 40mg Nolva + 10 caps 6-OXO Extreme
Week 6 - 30mg Nolva + 5 caps 6-OXO Extreme
Week 7 - 20mg Nolva + 5 caps 6-OXO Extreme
Week 8 - 10mg Nolva

Will be taking 2 Scoops/day of AI Cycle Support

For a otc cycle it looks ok. I would run some dermacrine with the havoc and sustain alpha after.

Havoc has minimal side effects and suppression of the body’s natural androgen production as well as minimal raises in estro if any. Every one is different though and prohormons like this can be unpredictable at best. Thats why most people shun them. They are not 100% consistent with sides or results.

Just do a lot of research bro.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

MY current next 4 weeks:

Havoc 30mg/Dermacrine/Phyto-Test/Cycle Support

PCT: Nolva/Sustain/EndoAmp/Toco8/*unsure of test booster but Ill pick one* (Nolva and Sustain are already on hand)

-Legacy

 

[sensational]

For a otc cycle it looks ok. I would run some dermacrine with the havoc and sustain alpha after.

Havoc has minimal side effects and suppression of the body’s natural androgen production as well as minimal raises in estro if any. Every one is different though and prohormons like this can be unpredictable at best. Thats why most people shun them. They are not 100% consistent with sides or results.

Just do a lot of research bro.

Havoc (Epistane) is a legitimate Anabolic Steroid, with a purported 12 to 1 anabolic to androgenic ratio. Its effects will be mild, and it doesn't aromatize in the body. Interestingly, it seems to bind to the estradiol receptor and thus display some anti-estrogen capabilities, which means that it could be a useful addition to a normal cycle as well.


Your havoc doses look fine, I might up it to 50mg ED, but thats me bro. It is a mild steroid, and will take large doses to have minimal effects. If you are going to suppress your endogenous test, at least make it worth it lol.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This looks like it belongs on the bb.com board. Most guys here would laugh at this cycle. The belief is, use real gear or don't bother. You can say Havoc is a real steroid all you want, but it will not and can not retain nitrogen like a real steroid. It will supress the HPTA like a real steroid though. The PCT is far beyond what you need. Read the "PCT For a New Generation" Sticky. And 6 OXO is a joke. Stick around, you'll wise up.

 

[sensational]

This looks like it belongs on the bb.com board. Most guys here would laugh at this cycle. The belief is, use real gear or don't bother. You can say Havoc is a real steroid all you want, but it will not and can not retain nitrogen like a real steroid. It will supress the HPTA like a real steroid though. The PCT is far beyond what you need. Read the "PCT For a New Generation" Sticky. And 6 OXO is a joke. Stick around, you'll wise up.

It is a real steroid though, just a weak one. You are right it will not make the body retain nitrogen like better steroids, but that does not mean it does not have its uses. I would compare the purely anabolic effects of a Havoc only cycle to a Proviron only cycle, which is truly sad.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It is a real steroid though, just a weak one. You are right it will not make the body retain nitrogen like better steroids, but that does not mean it does not have its uses. I would compare the purely anabolic effects of a Havoc only cycle to a Proviron only cycle, which is truly sad.

In the sense that it won't build muscle yes, though I'm not sure it will give the same libido boost as proviron. And I'm guessing it's more suppressive. And won't lower SHBG. So it's not really like proviron. If anything, UNLEASHED is closer to proviron.

 

[sensational]

In the sense that it won't build muscle yes, though I'm not sure it will give the same libido boost as proviron. And I'm guessing it's more suppressive. And won't lower SHBG. So it's not really like proviron. If anything, UNLEASHED is closer to proviron.

You make solid points!

So, in light of all of this, what are the modern uses for epistane assuming all AAS are available, it sounds very limited indeed.