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Critique my cycle please...

I think what these guys are saying is that you'll get more out of your cycle if you continue your path for a few years and get closer to your genetic potential.

I went into my first cycle thinking I was pretty close to my potential due to age (42), injury and a few other factors. I've been stuck at the same place for over a year. I started a new intensive 6 day workout routine, but most importantly, LEARNED HOW TO EAT, and made the best gains of my life in 8 weeks (6 weeks before cycle, 2 weeks on).

I came close to dropping the cycle but decided to stick it out since I had almost everything on hand and frankly I didn't want to risk screwing up my mojo. But had I really thought it through, I would have least waited, and maybe NEVER started a cycle since my goals were more modest than most.

So not being as close to my potential as I thought I was means that even though I feel I could jump up 30lbs on the bench or 50 on squats, I can't without risking injury because my joints and ligaments aren't ready. And that means I'm not getting the full potential of my cycle.

Another negative is that now that I'm feeling the effects of the cycle, I fucking love it. I want to be a beast.
 
Yea i totally understand. Its just funny cuz i know people that started with no muscle at all and they huge as fuck now. So how is it better for the long run to start with more muscle?

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Yea i totally understand. Its just funny cuz i know people that started with no muscle at all and they huge as fuck now. So how is it better for the long run to start with more muscle?

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There big as fuck for the moment. They will end up losing it without a decent base. A decent base is also gonna help in the long run with joints and ligaments. I'm 6'1 215lbs and I've been training awhile and have a good size of natty mass. I'm just finishing up with a cycle of pro hormones. Not even AAS, and just from that I can barely do any bicep workouts due to my tendons in my forearms due to rapid muscle growth. I didn't have a good enough base before I started the PH, I would hate to see what hurt I'd be in if I went straight to AAS. Especially without a decent base. No one is trying to upset you bro. People on EF are gonna be straight up with you, that's how they are and that's a good thing. When I first joined EF, I was all about using AAS no matter what anyone told me. But if you do sit back and listen these guys will get you where you need to be SAFLEY. Sure worked for me.
 
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Yea i totally understand. Its just funny cuz i know people that started with no muscle at all and they huge as fuck now. So how is it better for the long run to start with more muscle?

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dont worry about what they did. looks are decieving.. a lot of these types of guys won't tell you the bad, just the good.

just like these pro poker players you see on tv who win tournies.. what they don't tell you is the truth. they are staked and they are in a shitload of debt. anything they win doesn't even go into their pocket.

you do what is best for YOU. don't worry what your friend did.

check out this thread http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/why-do-you-need-base-911303.html
 
Holy shit what a mess.

Bro again...like steve....no insults intended. I was 21, 6 feet tall and also 165 when I did my first cycle. It was one of the stupidest things I ever did. I could have easily put on another 20-25 lb natty before attempting a cycle. But this was way back before Elite existed.
You do not have shit for muscle mass. (again, no offense but I have been there so I know). At your stats you have not been training long enough or you have not been training properly. I know you aren't eating properly because even shitty training and a real diet will yield results.
I'm not going to sit here and preach to you about waiting 2, 3, 5 years ect...that would make me a hypocrite. But I would definitely wait a year. 1 year. If you switch to proper training and learn how to train with maximum intensity and focus on form over weight AND diet like your life depends on it....that means real fucking food...NOT shakes. Add in some aminos, vitamins and maybe some creatine and a good pre workout.....then....I guarantee you would be much happier running a cycle AND you will likely keep quite a bit of your gains. As opposed to losing most of it. I have seen 3 guys real close to your stats in my gym lately doing exactly what you want to do. These guys train like morons...its laughable how and what they do...(im not saying you train this way) but I know they ran test cycles..... I saw maybe a 2% increase in muscle mass on all of them. They stop and they look the same. Its really sad actually.
Let me lay this out for you....you will do a cycle...eat so so....gain a little and lose 90%-100% of it. But in the process you will get and feel strong as shit and you will pile on the weights every week as you get stronger....guys in your position get sucked into it. I;m not being a dick...it really happens. I have been there. Then you damage your tendons, ligaments joints ect...because you haven't been training for a few years and they are not prepared to deal with what you're about to throw at it. If you are lucky you will avoid an actual acute injury like a tear. I am 37 now and am paying for dumb uneducated shit I did in the gym from age 21-25. You want to be that guy?

If I were you...I would do this:

1) post your diet. A sample of a typical day. I would wager it is not as good as you think it is.

2) Post your training split days and give us an idea of what you do on those days.

3) post a pic. black out your face ect...whatever.

4) start yourself on a routine like 5 sets of 20 reps per exercise. Chest example... flat bench and incline only on chest day. 5 sets of 20 reps each. Use a weight that you will be able to get 20 strict reps with...not too fast either. Controlled. This will really give you a reality check as to how strong you are and where your muscle conditioning is. Once you get all sets and reps then the next week increase 10 lb. If you don't get all 5 sets of 20 then you stay at the weight used the following week. Why? It will condition your muscles and especially your JOINTS, TENDONS, LIGAMENTS!!! Do this for everything. I don't care what it is....squats, deads, everything. If you aren't doing squats and deads then get the fuck doing them....and please don't be one of those faggots like at my gym who does half squats with too much weight. Learn how to do it right and use a weight you can perform full reps with. I don't care if it takes 5x20 with an empty bar to get you started.
Then after 3 months of this move into something like a 5x5 to really get you moving weight, getting stronger and putting on serious mass.
Do all this properly with enough diet and sleep and you will likely gain a minimum of 20 lb before ever touching AAS and your body and joints will be prepared for what you will throw at it.

You are a new guy looking for a quick fix. Even if you do what would be a real bad idea and run a cycle you will NOT end up looking the way you envision in your mind. And no....fish oil will not prevent tendon and ligament issues.

5) 500mg test wk is way more than needed for a first cycle. It is completely unnecessary

So yes....some asshole you don't know just told you you don't train right, eat right and aren't ready for aas. So you can either tell me to go fuck myself or heed the advice of someone who has been there and done that a few times and is trying to keep you from making the stupid mistakes I made that you are about to make.
 
Yea i totally understand. Its just funny cuz i know people that started with no muscle at all and they huge as fuck now. So how is it better for the long run to start with more muscle?

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Yeah...and these are the retards who cycle irresponsibly or just stay on. How healthy do you think they are? Think they ever do blood work?
 
great post burn.. if i could sticky posts I would definately sticky that one and copy and paste it to every guy who posts on here who has no business using steroids

and to the OP if you want an example look at this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMhtXU_x69g .. this is a guy who was on EF a year ago and was told by myself, burn and countless others to wait .. his stats are close to yours and actually i think he was in the 170's.. anyway he decides to ignore the advice of building a base and juices .. now a year later he is bitching about his joints + it looks like he probably suffered a major shoulder injury which will cause him to miss a lot of time at the gym.. just from doing pulldowns!! thats how fucked up his ligaments and tendons were that all it took was pulldowns for him to tear his shoulder up... thats what steroids do to people who haven't built up the proper conditioning... and does he really look like he even lifts or juices? no ...

had he spent the past year building a base and gaining knowledge he would be further ahead today and most important HEALTHY. now either he will end up like burn 15 years from now and look back at how dumb he was and tell others his story so others learn from it or the more likely he will quit on training and that will be it. so if you are serious hit the diet section and lifting section and get yourself on a quality program and do it right.
 
Holy shit what a mess.

Bro again...like steve....no insults intended. I was 21, 6 feet tall and also 165 when I did my first cycle. It was one of the stupidest things I ever did. I could have easily put on another 20-25 lb natty before attempting a cycle. But this was way back before Elite existed.
You do not have shit for muscle mass. (again, no offense but I have been there so I know). At your stats you have not been training long enough or you have not been training properly. I know you aren't eating properly because even shitty training and a real diet will yield results.
I'm not going to sit here and preach to you about waiting 2, 3, 5 years ect...that would make me a hypocrite. But I would definitely wait a year. 1 year. If you switch to proper training and learn how to train with maximum intensity and focus on form over weight AND diet like your life depends on it....that means real fucking food...NOT shakes. Add in some aminos, vitamins and maybe some creatine and a good pre workout.....then....I guarantee you would be much happier running a cycle AND you will likely keep quite a bit of your gains. As opposed to losing most of it. I have seen 3 guys real close to your stats in my gym lately doing exactly what you want to do. These guys train like morons...its laughable how and what they do...(im not saying you train this way) but I know they ran test cycles..... I saw maybe a 2% increase in muscle mass on all of them. They stop and they look the same. Its really sad actually.
Let me lay this out for you....you will do a cycle...eat so so....gain a little and lose 90%-100% of it. But in the process you will get and feel strong as shit and you will pile on the weights every week as you get stronger....guys in your position get sucked into it. I;m not being a dick...it really happens. I have been there. Then you damage your tendons, ligaments joints ect...because you haven't been training for a few years and they are not prepared to deal with what you're about to throw at it. If you are lucky you will avoid an actual acute injury like a tear. I am 37 now and am paying for dumb uneducated shit I did in the gym from age 21-25. You want to be that guy?

If I were you...I would do this:

1) post your diet. A sample of a typical day. I would wager it is not as good as you think it is.

2) Post your training split days and give us an idea of what you do on those days.

3) post a pic. black out your face ect...whatever.

4) start yourself on a routine like 5 sets of 20 reps per exercise. Chest example... flat bench and incline only on chest day. 5 sets of 20 reps each. Use a weight that you will be able to get 20 strict reps with...not too fast either. Controlled. This will really give you a reality check as to how strong you are and where your muscle conditioning is. Once you get all sets and reps then the next week increase 10 lb. If you don't get all 5 sets of 20 then you stay at the weight used the following week. Why? It will condition your muscles and especially your JOINTS, TENDONS, LIGAMENTS!!! Do this for everything. I don't care what it is....squats, deads, everything. If you aren't doing squats and deads then get the fuck doing them....and please don't be one of those faggots like at my gym who does half squats with too much weight. Learn how to do it right and use a weight you can perform full reps with. I don't care if it takes 5x20 with an empty bar to get you started.
Then after 3 months of this move into something like a 5x5 to really get you moving weight, getting stronger and putting on serious mass.
Do all this properly with enough diet and sleep and you will likely gain a minimum of 20 lb before ever touching AAS and your body and joints will be prepared for what you will throw at it.

You are a new guy looking for a quick fix. Even if you do what would be a real bad idea and run a cycle you will NOT end up looking the way you envision in your mind. And no....fish oil will not prevent tendon and ligament issues.

5) 500mg test wk is way more than needed for a first cycle. It is completely unnecessary

So yes....some asshole you don't know just told you you don't train right, eat right and aren't ready for aas. So you can either tell me to go fuck myself or heed the advice of someone who has been there and done that a few times and is trying to keep you from making the stupid mistakes I made that you are about to make.


Dude relax i get it. Lol.

My diet is typically:

For breakfast bagel, bacon/sausage, 3 boiled egg whites, mixed fruit, weight gainer shake, multi vitamins & omega 369 liquid fish oils.

Roughly 2 hours later more fruits (different from the morning) granola, peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Lunch some type of lean meat generally grilled or george foreman (steak, chicken breast, tilapia) potatoes and mixed steamed veggies (that i mircrowaved cause they were made the night before)

Roughly 2 hours later mixed nuts and seeds some baked chips and peanut butter and jelly. Maybe even slices of chedder cheese.

Then some point by the next 2 hours im at the crossfit gym where everyday we do a different olympic lift plus whatever the WOD is. 3 out of the 6 days im in there for 2 hours for the extra speciality training (mobility, strongman, gymnastics) through out crossfit im drinkin Kill Cliff (dont know if any of you guys are familiar with it) on the drive home i drink my protein shake. Eat dinner as soon as i can which is rougly the same as lunch just bigger portion. Lean meat, steamed veggies, regular cold veggies (lettuce, cucumbers, all color peppers, avocado) and another weight gainer shake.

After dinner, where ever i feel the burn i jump on my resistance bands.

Every other day ill do bicep curls with free weights (there no isolation lifting in crossfit) and everyday i do chair dips at work cuz my job is boring as fuck and alot of down time. Me and some buddies hike roughly 5 miles to our camping spot every weekend with 30+ lbs of gear.

Trust me dude its full extension with me. I myself hate the half assed squats, lunges, push ups, pull ups and whatever else. All the way up, all the way down.


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BTW Im dripping sweat in my warm up alone, i bring a change of dry clothes so my sweat doesnt seep into the cloths seats of the car

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