Could letro be impacting my gains?

[JoBu]

Currently in week 6 of sust and EQ (250/400 EW) and taking 1.25mg letro EOD. So far my gains are totally strength...maybe a pound or two tops weight gain. Could the letro be holding me back for some reason?

 

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Possibly. 250mg of Sust isn't very much bro, do you think it could be related to that? Try cutting the Letro by 50% and see if your gains improve.

 

[jayboy]

Possibly. 250mg of Sust isn't very much bro, do you think it could be related to that? Try cutting the Letro by 50% and see if your gains improve.

i agree that much letro is overkill, for that much test

 

[JoBu]

I'll try dropping the letro completely...I have nolva handy if it becomes necessary.

 

[silverbackn]

I think you are missing the boat. Diet?

 

[JoBu]

4000+ calories per day...very clean. Chicken, tuna, steak, salmon, pork chops, cottage cheese, brown rice, yams, whole wheat bread, oats, flax oil, olive oil, all natural peanut butter, fruit, spinach, broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, Optimum nutrition 100% whey, EnerG, R-ALA, green tea extract, multi vitamin...that about covers 95% of my normal diet. My diet log is public if you want to give it a look...I'd appreciate any feedback.

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=TH3_FRB

I think you are missing the boat. Diet?

 

[wellbilt]

i would cut back or drop the letro

 

[JoBu]

It's worth trying...letro is history.

 

[silverbackn]

How much do you weigh? Fast metabolism? I couldn't gain on that many calories. I weigh 230 though. Either way you could definitely drop the letro. That low of a dose won't cause much retention anyway. Good luck!

 

[JoBu]

I'm 165 ~9%bf. I've been eating more the last couple days and will drop the letro and see if that helps.

How much do you weigh? Fast metabolism? I couldn't gain on that many calories. I weigh 230 though. Either way you could definitely drop the letro. That low of a dose won't cause much retention anyway. Good luck!

 

[Triple J]

I would cut the letro in half and add an oral AAS ... that is a pretty mild cycle you have there ... a low dose of 17aa would enhance it significantly

 

[JoBu]

I've got winny waiting to drop @50mg ED for 7 weeks. Just trying to decide what to do with my EQ dose...up it to 600mg/week or extend it at the current 400mg/week for another 4 weeks (14 weeks total).

I would cut the letro in half and add an oral AAS ... that is a pretty mild cycle you have there ... a low dose of 17aa would enhance it significantly

 

[Triple J]

just run the winny at 50mg eod for the cycle, or even half that to avoid sides. the winny will really activate the test and eq via its SHBG lowering effects. i always notice a big boost when I add winny to test cycles even as low as 10mg/day winny. i don't get that much from T any more, need something special to kick it in - same with eq. i don't like high doses of eq because no matter how high you go it is still a fairly weak AAS, around 600mg week I get heart rate and anxiety issues and the gains are still just icing on the cake. keep everything where it is (except the letro) and add a little winny. of course take your 17aa liver and lipid protectants.

this combo should produce the results u r looking 4

 

[JoBu]

Thanks. I've only got enough sust for another 3 weeks @250mg. I think I'll extend the EQ @400mg for another 4-5 weeks and ad the winny. You really thing 50mg oral winny EOD is enough? I was planning ED.

just run the winny at 50mg eod for the cycle, or even half that to avoid sides. the winny will really activate the test and eq via its SHBG lowering effects. i always notice a big boost when I add winny to test cycles even as low as 10mg/day winny. i don't get that much from T any more, need something special to kick it in - same with eq. i don't like high doses of eq because no matter how high you go it is still a fairly weak AAS, around 600mg week I get heart rate and anxiety issues and the gains are still just icing on the cake. keep everything where it is (except the letro) and add a little winny. of course take your 17aa liver and lipid protectants.

this combo should produce the results u r looking 4

 

[Triple J]

that is more than i take so IMHO it is plenty

as always, your mileage may vary

 

[JoBu]

Okay...I'm adding the winny starting today. I'm going to do 25md ED for the next 2 weeks and then bump it to 50mg ED after that since I'll be done with the test and only be running EQ along with it.

that is more than i take so IMHO it is plenty

as always, your mileage may vary

 

[DIVISION]

Okay...I'm adding the winny starting today. I'm going to do 25md ED for the next 2 weeks and then bump it to 50mg ED after that since I'll be done with the test and only be running EQ along with it.

You should be running Winstrol @ 50MG ed.......anything less is not really beneficial.





DIV

 

[JoBu]

Triple J is suggesting that adding just a little oral winny will help to "activate" the test and EQ. I was planning all along on 50mg/day for 7 weeks. Based on his suggestion I figured I could do 25mg ED for 2 weeks with the syst and EQ and then bump up to 50mg ED for 6 weeks with only EQ to finish out the cycle. Now I'm torn...although i did just pop 25mg about 10 min ago.

 

[DIVISION]

Triple J is suggesting that adding just a little oral winny will help to "activate" the test and EQ. I was planning all along on 50mg/day for 7 weeks. Based on his suggestion I figured I could do 25mg ED for 2 weeks with the syst and EQ and then bump up to 50mg ED for 6 weeks with only EQ to finish out the cycle. Now I'm torn...although i did just pop 25mg about 10 min ago.

Bro, I wouldn't steer you wrong.........just like the bitch in your avatar, we're here to help.

50MG ed........that's my word!






DIV

 

[Triple J]

div and me ... can't we all just get along?

someone's missing the point ... try the 25mg and if u don't FEEL the majic then u can always go to 50mg .. remember these drugs have sides and the higher u go the more likely ... 25mg is more in line with the rest of your cycles levels and is plenty to get things kickin

start lower and work your way up not the opposite ... you'll feel the difference within a week bro

 

[JoBu]

Well, I weighed in today and I'm up ~4lbs in the last week. I only started taking the winny 4 days ago @25mg ED so that's not it. I cut the letro completely and bumped my calorie intake 6 days ago. I've probably had about 4000cal surplus over the past 6 days. So either the EQ is just kicking in, the letro was holding me back, or I wasn't eating enough...or maybe some combination. I'm just wondering how much of the 4lbs is water weight from the test since I'm not taking an anti-e anymore. I guess I'll see where I am in another week...if I'm still gaining then at least some of it is lean.

 

[silverbackn]

Well, I weighed in today and I'm up ~4lbs in the last week. I only started taking the winny 4 days ago @25mg ED so that's not it. I cut the letro completely and bumped my calorie intake 6 days ago. I've probably had about 4000cal surplus over the past 6 days. So either the EQ is just kicking in, the letro was holding me back, or I wasn't eating enough...or maybe some combination. I'm just wondering how much of the 4lbs is water weight from the test since I'm not taking an anti-e anymore. I guess I'll see where I am in another week...if I'm still gaining then at least some of it is lean.

It's all good bro! It sounds like it's working itself out. As long as the water isn't excessive don't worry about it.