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One helluva day this turned out to be.

Coles notes version:

At 7:11 after my Dr appt.

Man hits son, HITS, not spanks, HITS hard.

I say something, man pushes me. I layed him out. Says he is calling the cops.

If he does call the cops some sweet little old lady gave me her name and number and says she will set the boys in blue straight.
 
Sounds like you should walk away with no problems. You were defending your son. IMO enough said.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
 
I doubt the guy will call the cop's.I'm sure he knows he shouldn't have hit the kid and deseved what he got.


Bigdawg1468 said:
One helluva day this turned out to be.

Coles notes version:

At 7:11 after my Dr appt.

Man hits son, HITS, not spanks, HITS hard.

I say something, man pushes me. I layed him out. Says he is calling the cops.

If he does call the cops some sweet little old lady gave me her name and number and says she will set the boys in blue straight.
 
onebigab said:
Sounds like you should walk away with no problems. You were defending your son. IMO enough said.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

Not bigdawg's son, the guy's own son.

Do you think you broke anything on his face? Did you knock him out? Blood?
 
MissJanet79 said:
Hope it goes ok Dawg... Kudos to you for stickin' up for the lil' "chitlin"!

please don't tell me you're really a female and talk like that in your everyday life also.

I think if a girl ever called me dawg in a serious tone, I'd probbly burst out laughing at her
 
supersizeme said:
Not bigdawg's son, the guy's own son.

Do you think you broke anything on his face? Did you knock him out? Blood?

If I was a betting man I would say his nose is broke. He was gushing!!!
 
MissJanet79 said:
Hope it goes ok Dawg... Kudos to you for stickin' up for the lil' "chitlin"!

thanks hun and you can call me Dawg anytime as that is what my friends call me in real life ;)
 
flex123 said:
please don't tell me you're really a female and talk like that in your everyday life also.

I think if a girl ever called me dawg in a serious tone, I'd probbly burst out laughing at her

Thats his name ...............you dipshit.
 
flex123 said:
please don't tell me you're really a female and talk like that in your everyday life also.

I think if a girl ever called me dawg in a serious tone, I'd probbly burst out laughing at her

on closer examination, I didn'trealize it was bigdawg who posted. I apologize for being a dick on an a wrong assumption
 
flex123 said:
please don't tell me you're really a female and talk like that in your everyday life also.

I think if a girl ever called me dawg in a serious tone, I'd probbly burst out laughing at her
Um okayyyy if you haven't noticed his name is BIG DAWG... geez. Guess I have to say BIG DAWG in all of my msgs so that people don't ignorantly assume crap. How petty! :rolleyes:
 
Good job.

He laid his hands on you first. You were just protecting yourself. Why the hell would this guy hit his son and then start pushing bystanders (even if you did say something, who wouldn't)
 
You must spread some butt love around before giving it to Bigdawg1468 again......where's superqt when ya need her?
 
Fuck that... you were defending yourself, and that little boy.

I wouldn't worry or loose a moment of sleep.
 
Keep the lady's number with you just in case. I say you have nothing to worry about.
 
powerslave said:
Keep the lady's number with you just in case. I say you have nothing to worry about.

trust me I will, she was a sweet little old thing, barely over 5 feet hehehe but damn fiesty!!!

she has to be about 70, says if I was 20 years younger I woulda hit him!
 
what exactly did you say to him? just curious, that's all. the guy shoved you and you hit him. he deserved it.

HITTING your kids is wrong. a smack is a different story. as my dad said "i only ever smacked any of you when it was absolutely necessary in order to put the fear of god back into you because nothing else was working." whenever i did get smacked, it might've stung for a few minutes, but that was it. now that i'm Dad, the same thing applies in this house, and the smacks are very few and very far between.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
One helluva day this turned out to be.

Coles notes version:

At 7:11 after my Dr appt.

Man hits son, HITS, not spanks, HITS hard.

I say something, man pushes me. I layed him out. Says he is calling the cops.

If he does call the cops some sweet little old lady gave me her name and number and says she will set the boys in blue straight.

Well, since he HIT his son, I believe that is called child abuse.

Then Man pushes you. I believe that is assault initiated on his part. You made sure he didn't assault you further.

If that had been me, I'd have called the cops immediately after I sat on his lame ass to keep him down. Although, I may have had to calm him down a couple more times before the cops got there! ;)
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Well, since he HIT his son, I believe that is called child abuse.

Then Man pushes you. I believe that is assault initiated on his part. You made sure he didn't assault you further.

If that had been me, I'd have called the cops immediately after I sat on his lame ass to keep him down. Although, I may have had to calm him down a couple more times before the cops got there! ;)

I have a call placed to my cop buddy to see what can happen.

I also will give him the dudes plate number and see what they can do to this asshole since two of us saw him hit the kid. Hopefully they can do something about that.

Someone pointed out something to me taht I didn't consider at that spur of the moment. This poor child has to go home with this asshole after I punched him out and humiliated him. As good as it felt, I might have done more harm then good for this poor child.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
I have a call placed to my cop buddy to see what can happen.

I also will give him the dudes plate number and see what they can do to this asshole since two of us saw him hit the kid. Hopefully they can do something about that.

Someone pointed out something to me taht I didn't consider at that spur of the moment. This poor child has to go home with this asshole after I punched him out and humiliated him. As good as it felt, I might have done more harm then good for this poor child.

Well, I'm betting your cop buddy can do something to keep the heat on him. Especially since you gave him the plate number... ;)
 
Well...I think you were in the wrong for messing around in family affairs. I also think the guy was 90% wrong for hitting the kid, BUT then again you don't really know what it takes to discipline the kid. He could be super immune to all forms of verbal punishment, and physical, and the only thing keeping the kid in line is an actual hit. I'm sure the guy would have a reason for publicly whacking the kid that hard.

If it were me in his shoes, I'd have kicked your knees out and choked you out instead of pushing, because I'm sure looking at you, one would get the impression of a meathead looking for a fight, and I would have taken initiative.

Sorry man, but I disagree with ya on this one.
 
Burning_Inside said:
Well...I think you were in the wrong for messing around in family affairs. I also think the guy was 90% wrong for hitting the kid, BUT then again you don't really know what it takes to discipline the kid. He could be super immune to all forms of verbal punishment, and physical, and the only thing keeping the kid in line is an actual hit. I'm sure the guy would have a reason for publicly whacking the kid that hard.

If it were me in his shoes, I'd have kicked your knees out and choked you out instead of pushing, because I'm sure looking at you, one would get the impression of a meathead looking for a fight, and I would have taken initiative.

Sorry man, but I disagree with ya on this one.

There is a big differnce between spanking and hitting, and when I say hit I mean he punched the kid. I believe in spankings, they kept me in line and I am a normal adult. But he abused the kid, was I wrong for hitting him, probably, shoulda let the cops and family services deal with it but things happend so fast and came to this end.

Yea you don't know me so its hard, but if you did know what I am like, you would know I am the furthest from a meathead looking for a fight you would ever find.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
you would know I am the furthest from a meathead looking for a fight you would ever find.
This is true. He is an extremely sweet guy and for his size his presents is not as intimidating as one might think.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Sorry but it is true much more of a sweet heart than tough guy. :qt:

I pray the guys I ride with never find this board. With this kinda talk and Cosmo talk, I will have to find new friends LOL.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
One helluva day this turned out to be.

Coles notes version:

At 7:11 after my Dr appt.

Man hits son, HITS, not spanks, HITS hard.

I say something, man pushes me. I layed him out. Says he is calling the cops.

If he does call the cops some sweet little old lady gave me her name and number and says she will set the boys in blue straight.

Good luck I had a guy hit me twice before I hit him back. Still ended up in court on probation for a year, in anger managment class, and doing community service. Hopefully for you they are more understanding in Canada than in fucking boulder, Co.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Scotsman said:
Good luck I had a guy hit me twice before I hit him back. Still ended up in court on probation for a year, in anger managment class, and doing community service. Hopefully for you they are more understanding in Canada than in fucking boulder, Co.

Cheers,
Scotsman

Trust me before this would ever get to court he would get a visit from friends and would change his mind.

That sucks for you bro.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
Someone pointed out something to me taht I didn't consider at that spur of the moment. This poor child has to go home with this asshole after I punched him out and humiliated him. As good as it felt, I might have done more harm then good for this poor child.

yeah- the above is something to consider, butl I think you did the right thing...
 
MissJanet79 said:
LOL ...it's okay! ;) :qt:

O shit.....I sent you an extremely bad negative karma comment to your other post above, before reading this one....

HAHA! whatever I guess I'll just be hated by one more elite member...I think I'll sleep alright anyways.
 
note to self: don't hit my future kids in front of BD.
 
tuc biscuit said:
on one hand well done

on the other, you solved violence with violence, in front of the kid as well

yea that part does bother me.

I had a situation last summer in a mall parking lot where some asshole father threw his drink all over my convertible as he thought I was the one that cut him off and he started screaming his ass off.

Well obviously he didn't realize how big i was as when I stepped outta the car shirtless he shit his pants.

He was ranting and raving like a lunatic and all I could think of was how bad I felt for his daugther who was with him. When I was 20 I probably woulda just kicked his ass all over the place but I won't forget the scared look on that little girls face as her Daddy was going nuts. Kids don't need to see that stuff.
 
tuc biscuit said:
on one hand well done

on the other, you solved violence with violence, in front of the kid as well

VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER.... EVER.

Yes, that abusive asshole has now been further angered by being humiliated by you... and that little ten year old that was getting publicly punched has to go home with him.

I am a small female. If I had seen what you saw (and I trust that what you are telling is an accurate description of events - meaning that ASSHOLE LOWLIFE SCUMSUCKING MOTHERFUCKER DESERVED A BEATING) but I could never punch that asshole in the nose or any place else for that matter. Does that mean that I would not be equally horrified by what you witnessed?

No, it only means that I would be forced to find some other means of dealing with that situation.

For all the people who are cheering you on for "doing the right thing" and "you should have hit him once for me" think about this:

WHO WILL DEFEND THAT SAME LITTLE BOY WHEN HE IS HOME WITH THAT MOTHER FUCKER?

Who knows, maybe his wife will be the lucky winner of the next "I am a sick pathetic motherfucker that hates life, feels incompetent and I don't know how to deal with my issues so I will try to make myself feel better by degrading others" beating....

There are laws that are designed to protect and intervene. And no one knows better than me that often times those very same laws do NOT protect those that they are designed to defend - actually they FUCK THOSE PEOPLE when twisted and manipulated by sick ass motherfuckers with too much time and too much money.

Since you started this.... I want to know:

WHAT WILL YOU DO TO TRY AND FOLLOW UP?!




Your heart was in the right place - I believe that with every cell in my body. BUT YOU FUCKED UP. I understand how it could have happened, but I will not condone it.

There has been more than one occasion where I would have had every justification to pick up a kitchen knife and slit a man's throat.... but I did not. Why? Is it because I am better than you?

NO.

I am not.

It is because I had to think about the rammifications of my behavior. I would gladly take a beating if it would protect my children. I have been beaten unconcious several times in my life - twice by people who I supposed to be able to trust - people who were supposed to have loved me. I am not afraid to go down. But how would that help a child?

I want to know what you will do to help this situation.

If I didn't care deeply for you I would just sit down and shut my mouth. But I do care for you...
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
Trust me before this would ever get to court he would get a visit from friends and would change his mind.

That sucks for you bro.

Yeah it sucked pretty bad but I have been off probation for almost two years now. I took probation in order to get a deferal to keep the assault charge off my record. So now my record is back to being clean.

Thought about having friends visit the kid but after the two and a half hours of stitching it took to put his face back together I think he got all he deserved. He also got a worse sentence than me because he had a prior offence ;)

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
Trust me before this would ever get to court he would get a visit from friends and would change his mind.

That sucks for you bro.

Lucky for you to have such friends....

What of those of us that don't? I guess we are just forced to abide by the law, do the best we can and try to affect POSITIVE changes in other ways.
 
Werd said:
VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER.... EVER.
...

Your heart was in the right place - I believe that with every cell in my body. BUT YOU FUCKED UP. I understand how it could have happened, but I will not condone it.


Sorry, but I disagree. First this guy HIT his kid, and then pushed Dawg. Clearly he is a hothead and needed to be brought down a peg, I would have done the exact same thing Dawg did. The only thing I think he did wrong was he should have called the cops immediately, while the witness (old lady) was there. Keep the guy and his kid there until the cops arrive. The guy might have done this before, in which case the cops would arrest him and take the kid away, keeping him safe.

Good job Dawg, but you should have followed through right away.
 
Forge said:
Sorry, but I disagree. First this guy HIT his kid, and then pushed Dawg. Clearly he is a hothead and needed to be brought down a peg, I would have done the exact same thing Dawg did. The only thing I think he did wrong was he should have called the cops immediately, while the witness (old lady) was there. Keep the guy and his kid there until the cops arrive. The guy might have done this before, in which case the cops would arrest him and take the kid away, keeping him safe.

Good job Dawg, but you should have followed through right away.

Cops I know came by last night and all this is taken care of.

Turns out they are familiar with the dude, he has been arrested on assault in the past so with the circumstances the way they were he can't do shit to me. They alerted Child and Family Services and that was being taken care of last night as well which is the best thing.

I am in the clear 100% and the child will be taken care of. This asshole with his broken nose now has to deal with the consequences.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
Cops I know came by last night and all this is taken care of.

Turns out they are familiar with the dude, he has been arrested on assault in the past so with the circumstances the way they were he can't do shit to me. They alerted Child and Family Services and that was being taken care of last night as well which is the best thing.

I am in the clear 100% and the child will be taken care of. This asshole with his broken nose now has to deal with the consequences.

So, the same result could have been achieved without you having to bloody the man in front of his child?
 
flex123 said:
O shit.....I sent you an extremely bad negative karma comment to your other post above, before reading this one....

HAHA! whatever I guess I'll just be hated by one more elite member...I think I'll sleep alright anyways.
I cannot believe the shit you said to me in that RED KARMA msg you sent me; that shit was so uncalled for & if you had any sense, you wouldn't have sent it. It's obvious from your msg, that you're immature not to mention INSENSITIVE to other people's feelings. I could care less about what you say about me 'cause you DON'T know me, but still it wasn't right for you to say it! I don't take this site seriously so I'm not gonna be petty & give you red k back...just don't bother me again.
 
excellent to hear BD, but i have to say...you shouldnt have hit him. been in a few brawls myself, and something i learned a long time ago is that you never 'win' one, so to speak. you dont solve anything either, and so its a kind of unwinnable thing.

anyway im sure you know all this so ill just shut up

its fairly rare that you can connect someone in the nose with a first hit (unless he thought you wouldnt do it) so come on...details... ;) im guessing it was a quick jab
 
Werd said:
So, the same result could have been achieved without you having to bloody the man in front of his child?

Yes it could have, I can't change what happened, its done and I dealt with it. Its easy to look back at things after the fact. Just keep in mind that he came at me.
 
Forge said:
Sorry, but I disagree. First this guy HIT his kid, and then pushed Dawg. Clearly he is a hothead and needed to be brought down a peg, I would have done the exact same thing Dawg did. The only thing I think he did wrong was he should have called the cops immediately, while the witness (old lady) was there. Keep the guy and his kid there until the cops arrive. The guy might have done this before, in which case the cops would arrest him and take the kid away, keeping him safe.

Good job Dawg, but you should have followed through right away.

Do you remember the case where a woman was caught on VIDEO TAPE violently hitting her toddler about the head while the child was strapped into her carseat?

WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

Child protective services could have been called without violence. I am not saying that this guy didn't get what he asked for, what I am saying is that it doesn't make it right.

I thought that we were a bit more evolved than the whole gorilla alpha male thing - might making it right.

I am not saying that I do not understand how Bigdawg reacted... what I am saying is that I don't agree with it... IDENTICAL results could have been reached and the child would not have to have been further traumatized by seeing his father (that scumsucking asshole is loved by that little boy - sadly enough) beaten bloody by a big stranger.

What really pains me most is that I know Bigdawg's heart and it does NOT contain violence and hate. I know he thought he was protecting that child by showing him that SOMEBODY cared enough to intervene. But he did not do that. What he did was teach that child he will be made to suffer until someone bigger and stronger beats his abuser down or that he can only overcome such situations with violence himself.

Bigdawg has the power to influence children far more positively. He has a gift that VERY FEW men possess... and none of it begins or ends with the size of his arms or the strength in his fists.

I am biased because I am the victim of abuse. I must watch my children suffer abuse and can do nothing but sit by idly until the law takes its course. THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO - NOTHING. Except try to fix myself so that I choose no longer to surround myself with abusive people (words can and do sting more than blows sometimes) and support my kids, let them know that I will ALWAYS BE HERE and believe them and will take care of them - but I can do nothing until the law runs its course. Unfortunately, because I was mentally beaten down enough, I shunned the protection of the law in the past. Now we must all wait for him to do something that can not be ignored in order to fix this. I must live with the guilt of knowing that I chose a man like that to father my children...

Even if I did have friends that could give him a beatdown, I WOULD HEATEDLY BE AGAINST IT!

We are all of us afraid of what he will do when we go to court next month (if it is not delayed again). With each passing day he puts more pressure on the kids to not talk to me, not see me, he punishes them for wanting to live with me... We even know that at least one of them took a beating (they all took a verbal beating) for daring to cry to me that her dress for her first holy communion is too small. Magically, none will talk to me, only say, "I love you mami" and "I was wrong mami, the dress is fine." And yes, the court KNOWS THIS... all of it... but nothing can be done until we go to court...

I am anti-violence for a reason.

I don't have any answers.... but I know that violence and abuse are not correct. We must all try to fight negativity with positive action. I am teaching my children love and with the gifts that I have found I AM TRYING to proliferate love and understanding.

Maybe I am too naive... maybe my children are suffering because I am this way. But I can not condone violence.

I am only riding Bigdawg's ass because I care about him... not because I am judging or scolding.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
its fairly rare that you can connect someone in the nose with a first hit (unless he thought you wouldnt do it) so come on...details... ;) im guessing it was a quick jab


He didn't see it coming, grabbed him on the shoulder like I would in hockey and hit him with a right.
 
gtrcivic said:
you just neutralized the threat... and stopped when the aggressor was neutralized.

that is basically what the cops said, had I kept beating him I could have been in trouble but I only hit him once.
 
MissJanet79 said:
I cannot believe the shit you said to me in that RED KARMA msg you sent me; that shit was so uncalled for & if you had any sense, you wouldn't have sent it. It's obvious from your msg, that you're immature not to mention INSENSITIVE to other people's feelings. I could care less about what you say about me 'cause you DON'T know me, but still it wasn't right for you to say it! I don't take this site seriously so I'm not gonna be petty & give you red k back...just don't bother me again.


I hit him and he might get some red from a few others.He is a prick so don't worry about it.
 
I think what you did was exactly right BigDawg.

The cops already know about this guy, so he's clearly not going to be all that intimidated by a police visit after the fact. But just maybe.. the right hook will give him a little something to think about next time.

And regarding the "you shouldn't have hit him infront of the kid" point.. uhh.. what kind of message do you think it sends to that kid, when his dad is beating on him out in public, and NO ONE steps in, they all just stand there doing nothing?
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
Yes it could have, I can't change what happened, its done and I dealt with it. Its easy to look back at things after the fact. Just keep in mind that he came at me.

I know you are 100% correct with everything you say.

Hindsight is 20/20. I will live the rest of my life with that.

But what if that same asshole came at me? I could have done nothing. I guess that is on me, then isn't it? I am again, smaller, weaker. I have no physical might nor do I have friends that I would allow to impose thiers, nor do I possess money.

Tell me.... what could I have done? ....or someone like me?

You did the best you could, I guess, with the situation presented. There was not a wholelot of time for you to think. You were honestly trying to protect that child.

I am not now or was I judging. Just wanted you to understand my point of view. Nothing else left for me to say, I guess...
 
Seashell said:
I think what you did was exactly right BigDawg.

The cops already know about this guy, so he's clearly not going to be all that intimidated by a police visit after the fact. But just maybe.. the right hook will give him a little something to think about next time.

And regarding the "you shouldn't have hit him infront of the kid" point.. uhh.. what kind of message do you think it sends to that kid, when his dad is beating on him out in public, and NO ONE steps in, they all just stand there doing nothing?

I understand what you are saying. But what you don't understand is that this child was raised in violence and abuse. The only message that was sent him was that some big stranger beat his daddy bloody.

And no right hook from some stranger is going to keep a defective mutant lowlife scum asshole from continuing to abuse those that are smaller and weaker than him.
 
Werd said:
I know you are 100% correct with everything you say.

Hindsight is 20/20. I will live the rest of my life with that.

But what if that same asshole came at me? I could have done nothing. I guess that is on me, then isn't it? I am again, smaller, weaker. I have no physical might nor do I have friends that I would allow to impose thiers, nor do I possess money.

Tell me.... what could I have done? ....or someone like me?

You did the best you could, I guess, with the situation presented. There was not a wholelot of time for you to think. You were honestly trying to protect that child.

I am not now or was I judging. Just wanted you to understand my point of view. Nothing else left for me to say, I guess...


I would hope that in this situation there would be someone who would come to your defense.

I was brought up to help others and can say the only time you will see me fight is to protect a woman, a child, or man who is defenseless against someone. To many people now a days look the other way and don't do anything in all types of situations. I am not one of those.

Do you know how many times i ahve stopped to help a motorist on the side of the road and to hear them say that they watched car after car drive by and do nothing.

Whether it be stopping to help a motorist on a highway, or helping someone in trouble. Its just the way I am raised.

I don't have all the answers and I can't answer for everyone else, I can only answer for myself and be who I am.
 
Werd said:
I understand what you are saying. But what you don't understand is that this child was raised in violence and abuse. The only message that was sent him was that some big stranger beat his daddy bloody.

And no right hook from some stranger is going to keep a defective mutant lowlife scum asshole from continuing to abuse those that are smaller and weaker than him.

None of us are that child, so none of us can say for certain how he felt, or what message he took from it.

Considering the alternative.. just calling the police, who'd likely go over and give him a lame warning, I still say, Bigdawg was right.

We can just agree to disagree.
 
bigdawg is an upstanding citizen from the sounds of it and I am not questioning him or his actions, but..........


........all the kid sees, he gets hit by someone bigger and stronger, who in turn gets hit by someone bigger and stronger, he sees the only way to solve any problems is to resort to violence and using size and strength to get what you want

What it needs is for him to see someone use words and reason to diffuse a situation, otherwise he will be trapped in a vicious circle the rest of his life, he needs someone to show him the right way, that words are more powerfull than any mans fists, otherwise he will grow up to be a child/wife beating piece of white trash jusat like his father.
 
tuc biscuit said:
bigdawg is an upstanding citizen from the sounds of it and I am not questioning him or his actions, but..........


........all the kid sees, he gets hit by someone bigger and stronger, who in turn gets hit by someone bigger and stronger, he sees the only way to solve any problems is to resort to violence and using size and strength to get what you want

What it needs is for him to see someone use words and reason to diffuse a situation, otherwise he will be trapped in a vicious circle the rest of his life, he needs someone to show him the right way, that words are more powerfull than any mans fists, otherwise he will grow up to be a child/wife beating piece of white trash jusat like his father.

This is all that I was trying to say, but seems that I was too emtional which, I guess rendered me ineffective.

Thank you for helping me to verbalize Tuc.

This is obviously a very personal issue for me as I struggle to find the way to break this cycle for my own children.

I don't have the answers... I am trying very hard to find them.

I am not judging or scolding... I am just trying to have intelligent discussion and promote understanding which MIGHT help to find a solution to such problems.
 
Seashell said:
None of us are that child, so none of us can say for certain how he felt, or what message he took from it.

Considering the alternative.. just calling the police, who'd likely go over and give him a lame warning, I still say, Bigdawg was right.

We can just agree to disagree.
Best post on this thread.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
I would hope that in this situation there would be someone who would come to your defense.

I was brought up to help others and can say the only time you will see me fight is to protect a woman, a child, or man who is defenseless against someone. To many people now a days look the other way and don't do anything in all types of situations. I am not one of those.

Do you know how many times i ahve stopped to help a motorist on the side of the road and to hear them say that they watched car after car drive by and do nothing.

Whether it be stopping to help a motorist on a highway, or helping someone in trouble. Its just the way I am raised.

I don't have all the answers and I can't answer for everyone else, I can only answer for myself and be who I am.

I am no different from you.... but I do not possess the might that you do. I never will. No matter how many hours in the gym or whatever else, I will never be a man. Don't want to be.

I don't want to argue or make you feel attacked, because that was never my intention. I only wanted you to understand how it feels to be on the other side of that fist.

If you were to beat my ex bloody, do you think that would make him *go away* and stop harrassing, terrorizing and abusing me or my kids?

NO IT WOULD INFURIATE HIM FURTHER... just like it did that fucker who got the much deserved beating from you.

Would it make me happy? Would it please my kids that a man bigger than their daddy (asshole twisted fucker that he is - they are small and still love him very much) beat him down?

I think you know the answer to both questions as you know ME. Only my family knows me better...

We don't want or need some one to protect us. We don't want or need someone to solve our problems, give us money... none of that.

All we want and need is someone to listen to our fears and help support us in positive endeavors and not turn their backs on us when we come to them crying and afraid.

He will never leave us alone. NEVER.
 
Personally, I don't think it matters at the present time.

This debate is valuable and interesting but a moot point. I don't think that Cosmo, er Bigdawg, is going to don a cape and make beating up asshole dads infront of their kids a profession.

I think bigdawg was completely just and right in speaking up for the kid, since the child would dare not. Should he have punched the guy in the face? Maybe not. What will the child take away from this situation? Hard to say.

People can say violence should not be used to quell violence. And I agree. However, not a lot else seems to work. If a dude shoves me, it means he's looking for a fight (or just calling my bluff). However, I am going to assume the former and not let him stike the first blow.
 
onebigab said:
Sounds like you should walk away with no problems. You were defending your son. IMO enough said.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
it wasnt his son, it was a father hitting his own son.

i still think y ou did the right thing, especially since the guy touched you first, your fine.


i almost got in 2 fights today...i probably shouldnt have gone to school, it could be roidrage, even though from my point of view both times it was them CLEARLY starting it, but i have no idea why i went from a confrontation free life to 2 in one day
 
this reminds me a story myf riend told me lol.

so they were in the gym steamroom, and another random kid who was about mid teens was also in there, along with a huge black dude (race is irelivant, but just so you can get the whole 'watchutalkinbout' view of the scenery).

so the black dude randomly turns to the lone teen and says "quit looking at me faggot"

so my friends dad goes, relax dude hes just a kid, and the other guy started mouthing off and shoved him i think but it almost ended up in a fight and the staff was alerted
 
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